Miscellaneous Kingdom Discussion

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by busyrobot

You are really loosing it Zurk, meltdown much?

I have been very consistent. You feel that since you feel there is a discrepency between 2k1 and 2k2, all of 2k2's history should be scratched to hold true to the 'truth' that was 2k1. I argue, to do that, you have to ignore the 'truth' of all of 2k2's history, and that doing that would have a deleterious effect on GK today.
No one is trying to deny any truth, there are two debates: 1) is the 2k1/2k2 timeine broken - something as Zen says, appears unlikely.
2) if it is, is it better to fix the break by saying the past was different, or saying the present is different. If condition 1 is true - I still contend that if you are to break one of the two history lines, the old one that has little to do with current events is the best to break. In the case of condition 2, the only real 'truth' is that there is a fracture in the history lines, and covering up either side amounts to going against 'the truth' so why break the truth in a fashion that hurts GK the most?

I am being perfectly clear, you are just loosing it Zurk.

-_-

No you havn't. First you're blabbing that you cant just erase history. But now you're saying we should. And I've already stated that the 2k2 history could just be rewrote to feature them as fishes. Why? Because they were there first and they hold a better story. If you had two books to choose to read. One was just ill-crap and the other was the most magnifigant masterpeice on the world, which one would you read?

Then you just tripped over yourself there. "I would be supporting you if they started off as fishes", according to Zen's story (which you believe in) that is true.

YOU are the one who is non-consistent.

If you would actually READ THE DAMN POSTS you would understand why 2k2 history is flawed.

Obviously there is still a break in the timeline, there are still many questions that need answers.

If you change 2k1 history then you are changing the only roleplaying history on Graal. And that is a sad truth.

Zen, you still never answered my question about why you're so determined to make the Zormites all human fascist.

None the less I will answer yours:
The story you gave me was
-Zormite Dudes at start
-Human Zen comes into power and makes Archigos Party
-Zormite genocide happens

Even then there were questions that needed to be answered. My opinion only changed afterwards when I actually thought about it.

[Nappa]

Originally Posted by LordZen

Some humans do have babies every year, consecutively for a while. lol

Maybe in ethiopia, but Zormite Empirei isn't ethiopia.

But here, how about this, Nappa, because the new Zormite colony was primarily set up because it was viewed as a strategic nessesity, most of the original colonizers were trained soldiers, males. And the few females that came along did not much like the idea of whoring themselves. Wow, that was hard.

So basically your saying this is not a colony or a kingdom like you originally said, but now your changing it into a military base. Which one is it ?

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

-_-

No you havn't. First you're blabbing that you cant just erase history. But now you're saying we should. And I've already stated that the 2k2 history could just be rewrote to feature them as fishes. Why? Because they were there first and they hold a better story. If you had two books to choose to read. One was just ill-crap and the other was the most magnifigant masterpeice on the world, which one would you read?

I said you can't erase history, you said 2k1's history has been erased already, so I argued if you had to have one or the other flawed, its better to have the old stuff flawed as its not relevant to modern GK.

As for 'just' rewriting the history of GK - I already said that would break it and it would not make sense. I know you don't care (do you even play now at all?) but it matters to me.

As for books, I don't care about reading books about graal, I care about playing in graal, and having it make sense...in the game that exists now.

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

Then you just tripped over yourself there. "I would be supporting you if they started off as fishes", according to Zen's story (which you believe in) that is true.

Not so fast Matlock

First you said they were only humans on GK, because they started on GK as humans. You had the bad info, and I clearly was saying, that if the roles were reversed and we had fish people now and humans on 2k1, I'd be arguing that zormite should be allowed to stay fish people.

But good try, all the same.

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

YOU are the one who is non-consistent.

right

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

If you would actually READ THE DAMN POSTS you would understand why 2k2 history is flawed.

Because you want it to be, so you can argue we should have fish-zormite people. I understand fully.

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

Obviously there is still a break in the timeline, there are still many questions that need answers.

The break in the timeline is the fact they were fish, and are now human, but I think Zen has done a good job of educating us both on that. It would surely mess the timeline up more if you did it your way and messed up GK.

There are many questions that could be answered, but need answers? All the big questions have been answered quite reasonably I'd say...

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

If you change 2k1 history then you are changing the only roleplaying history on Graal. And that is a sad truth.

If you feel that way, try to help revive RPing on GK then, don't just try to break GK.

[GoZelda]

Wow, even if I was a crappy moderator I would have realised this thread could just aswell be closed because neither of the sides are gonna admit they're wrong.

[Lance]

I honestly attempted to split this thread (modship was just fixed today). There were, however, 14 pages of too many topics to consider splitting it into anything but a 'General Kingdoms Discussion' thread.

I will, however, send this thread over to the Graal Kingdoms Kingdoms forum and rename it to that General Discussion title.

Discussion can continue, but let's try to keep it productive.

[GryffonDurime]

Zormites don't have to be changed to fish retroactivly.

There are other ways.

(Holy fajita, when did I hit 1,000 posts?)

[Nappa]

Thank god one mod who actually knows what he is doing.

[GoZelda]

It seems like that helped, the thread has cooled down.

[ZanderX]

Originally Posted by Nappa

Thank god one mod who actually knows what he is doing.

Oh, that hurts.

[GryffonDurime]

Originally Posted by ZanderX

Oh, that hurts.

Two mods:3

Smiting the flame of Ana is a worthy quest too.

[Nappa]

I tried to get you to help me on the forums, and what do I get ?

IMS ABOUT THE YELLOW POWER RANGER DIEING.

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by GryffonDurime

Two mods:3

Oh, that hurts.

Originally Posted by GryffonDurime

Zormites don't have to be changed to fish retroactivly.

There are other ways.

Then adding new 'old race' zormites to zormite would be considered a new RP development option for them, and implemented at Zormite's discression. I have nothing against that idea though. However, to date Zurk has specifically talked about changing GK's history for retroactive alterations.

When it comes to progressive changes, I am happy with anything that is good RP wise and is endorsed by the Kingdom that would implement it.



And thanks Lance for moving it - that was a very good idea.

[Splke]

My eyeballs hurt now. Thanks, jerks.

[LordZen]

Ah, heh, I thought this thread was deleted. I was irritated for a while but got over it because I was glad I remembered to save my one long post to my Zormite folder.

Originally Posted by Nappa

Maybe in ethiopia, but Zormite Empirei isn't ethiopia.

Lol, I meant that only jokingly. But it only takes 9 months to birth a child, so I was just saying there are some people that pop 'em out one after another. Not that its largescale, but just thats its easily possible.

Originally Posted by Nappa

So basically your saying this is not a colony or a kingdom like you originally said, but now your changing it into a military base. Which one is it ?

In the presented story the purpose of the colony was not to rebuild. It was not a nessisary move for the Zormite people. As it was plainly stated, they arranged for a colony in the new world strictly because they saw it as a strategic advantage.