Miscellaneous Kingdom Discussion

[Zurkiba]

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Why are you so hypocritical?

Zormites cant turn into fishes in a day but they can turn into humans.

Your logic is flawed, they have NOT roleplayed for ages. They sat there and called themselves humans.

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

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Why are you so hypocritical?

Zormites cant turn into fishes in a day but they can turn into humans.

Your logic is flawed, they have NOT roleplayed for ages. They sat there and called themselves humans.

They have been RPing, you are are in no position to judge them - you at most pass judgement on them simply because they have deviated from your original ideas of what zormite is. If you base your argument on them not having roleplayed for ages your argument falls apart as they most certianly have been roleplaying. Regardless of any momentary disruptions from when they 'went human' it is insane to try to roll it back now years later, it would disrupt the kingdoms entire roleplaying history to date on GK. Zormite has the final authority on what zormite does. Others can make suggestions, but that is the end of it. You can't reshuffle entire kingdoms entire years down the road, period.

I don't like every little decision that has been made on this server either, but I can definately handle it with a touch of civility when I don't and accept it. That is called of being part of a community.

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by busyrobot

They have been RPing, you are are in no position to judge them - you at most pass judgement on them simply because they have deviated from your original ideas of what zormite is. If you base your argument on them not having roleplayed for ages your argument falls apart as they most certianly have been roleplaying. Regardless of any momentary disruptions from when they 'went human' it is insane to try to roll it back now years later, it would disrupt the kingdoms entire roleplaying history to date on GK. Zormite has the final authority on what zormite does. Others can make suggestions, but that is the end of it. You can't reshuffle entire kingdoms entire years down the road, period.

I don't like every little decision that has been made on this server either, but I can definately handle it with a touch of civility when I don't and accept it. That is called of being part of a community.

I've always been pushing for the real Zormite Empire...

But you, my friend, keep changing your mind and flipflopping on the issue to gain what YOU want.

The fact is this, Zormite couldn't have turned Human, ergo they are not roleplaying.

If I follow all the laws of my state, and break one, I am still breaking the law.

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

I've always been pushing for the real Zormite Empire...

But you, my friend, keep changing your mind and flipflopping on the issue to gain what YOU want.

The fact is this, Zormite couldn't have turned Human, ergo they are not roleplaying.

If I follow all the laws of my state, and break one, I am still breaking the law.

The real Zormite Empire is now called the Zormite Republic, and you are pushing to turn it into something it once was, but now isn't. You fail to understand the concept of RPing if you truly believe that the last several years, most of its very lifespan, somehow "don't count" just because you find it disagreeable. I have not flip flopped and its not even about what "I" want, I am not even in Zormite and if they chose to revert to a fish people kingdom, I would welcome that as much as I welcome their wish to remain the way they are.
Prior to launch during I believe, the first moon landing mission, one astronaut said jokingly, (paraphrasing) "They have come up with three possible theories about how the moon was formed. The first theory was proven wrong in the 1800 hundreds, another in the early 1900s. The last theory was proven wrong about a decade ago, which leads to the one remaining conclusion, that the moon must not actually exist."
You say they "can't" be human but they undeniably are. They have been for years. They have roleplayed and been a part of the fabric of GK longer than they were ever in 2k1 (counting of course, until the time GK ended 2k1's activity).
Zormite is human. Zormite roleplays. Those facts have been true for Zormit e for the majority of its existence. If you want to distort those facts, you have to resort to changing what 'Zormite' means to some abstract idea conjured by the original creators that has nothing to do with GK, and thus it fails. You have to change the definition of roleplaying too if you want to bend the second fact. The facts are against you, period. I didn't make them up, its just the way they are. I accept that Nappa had a role in the forming of Zormite originally, as well as that the 2k1 empire were human haters, and fish people. Those are also facts. So is the fact that the switch to humans was probably (I have not researched it) not done in the best RP manner and more because of all the other changes that took place in GK and that the transition as a whole for all kingdoms was a stretch RP wise. It still (if you know anything about RP) doesn't revert or undo the efforts of the last several years. That would totally bastardize the entire history of GK. It would ruin every RP storyline that has occured in GK, from the alliances to the intermarriages to the every diplomatic outcome. If Zormite was not human, the Astri wars would not have turned out as they did. If the Zormites hated humans, almost nothing of the last several years would make sense.

It did make sense though, for one reason: Zormites actually, are human. Its a human kingdom. It has been for the entire history of GK. I don't try to deny the facts of 2k1, don't deny the facts of 2k2. Zormite is human, fact. Zormite roleplays, fact. You you can't accept those facts, you can't have a conversation based in reality.

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by busyrobot

The real Zormite Empire is now called the Zormite Republic, and you are pushing to turn it into something it once was, but now isn't. You fail to understand the concept of RPing if you truly believe that the last several years, most of its very lifespan, somehow "don't count" just because you find it disagreeable. I have not flip flopped and its not even about what "I" want, I am not even in Zormite and if they chose to revert to a fish people kingdom, I would welcome that as much as I welcome their wish to remain the way they are.
Prior to launch during I believe, the first moon landing mission, one astronaut said jokingly, (paraphrasing) "They have come up with three possible theories about how the moon was formed. The first theory was proven wrong in the 1800 hundreds, another in the early 1900s. The last theory was proven wrong about a decade ago, which leads to the one remaining conclusion, that the moon must not actually exist."
You say they "can't" be human but they undeniably are. They have been for years. They have roleplayed and been a part of the fabric of GK longer than they were ever in 2k1 (counting of course, until the time GK ended 2k1's activity).
Zormite is human. Zormite roleplays. Those facts have been true for Zormit e for the majority of its existence. If you want to distort those facts, you have to resort to changing what 'Zormite' means to some abstract idea conjured by the original creators that has nothing to do with GK, and thus it fails. You have to change the definition of roleplaying too if you want to bend the second fact. The facts are against you, period. I didn't make them up, its just the way they are. I accept that Nappa had a role in the forming of Zormite originally, as well as that the 2k1 empire were human haters, and fish people. Those are also facts. So is the fact that the switch to humans was probably (I have not researched it) not done in the best RP manner and more because of all the other changes that took place in GK and that the transition as a whole for all kingdoms was a stretch RP wise. It still (if you know anything about RP) doesn't revert or undo the efforts of the last several years. That would totally bastardize the entire history of GK. It would ruin every RP storyline that has occured in GK, from the alliances to the intermarriages to the every diplomatic outcome. If Zormite was not human, the Astri wars would not have turned out as they did. If the Zormites hated humans, almost nothing of the last several years would make sense.

It did make sense though, for one reason: Zormites actually, are human. Its a human kingdom. It has been for the entire history of GK. I don't try to deny the facts of 2k1, don't deny the facts of 2k2. Zormite is human, fact. Zormite roleplays, fact. You you can't accept those facts, you can't have a conversation based in reality.

You do flip flop. We need a roleplaying excuse to turn the Zormites back to fishes but we dont need a reason why they're human? Amazing.

That's the thing, you DO deny 2k1, you even said it in an above post. The fact is this, the Zormite Empire still lives on and they are fish. It's something noone can change because it's not under the corruption of the Zormite leaders. -That- is why the fishes continue.

I'm not denying the facts of Graal Kingdoms. It's not my fault some Dustarians had a fetish with wanting to do fishes. That's what yall have to deal with. The people who are denying history and the obvious facts are the strings of leadership of the "Zormite" island. Do not blame me for that.

If I cant deny that the Zormite's were human for a couple of years then they cant deny that they are fish. It's that simple.

Lets compare two names together
Zormite Empire
Zormite Republic
Now lets see if there is a word that links the two together somehow, oh wait there it is. It's Zormite.

So this is what you do, the current kingdom are fishes, their entire history was that of the fish. Now you say, 'OMGZ THAT CANT WORK'. But the fact is this, according to every roleplaying aspect of the universe, the kingdom was never composed of humans.

Now put this scenario in your mind. Samurai attacks Dustari, Samurai keeps respawning until victory is achieved, Samurai 'roleplays' that they salted the lands and destroyed the castle. They run around screaming 'LAWLZ WE PWNT U!!!111' or something of that sort. So we have Samurai who ignored every roleplaying rule in the world, defeated Dustari who has been following the roleplaying rules. This is what Dustari is going to do, It's going to simply ignore Samurai. Or Dustari will roleplay the results by remaking a story for it. The same goes with the Zormites.

My final remarks
Zormite is a FISH kingdom and no body can change that. It is a fact of life

I'd ask you to stop being so hard headed about the subject and actually listen to reason.

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As for the, if the members want it. That isn't true. I know from personal reasons. The staff support the "leaders" no matter how stupid they are.