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[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by Hiro

You do realize that without side strafing you can't even compete at higher levels of sparring right?

That's what I implied.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by ffcmike

That's what I implied.

That seems to be the biggest reason why iPhone should just stay the **** away from PC Graal.

Discussing iPhone/fbGraal always makes me feel like PC Graal has just been swept under the rug.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by ffcmike

That's not at all certain though, the numbers of those who choose not to play the iServers could be insignificant compared to the numbers such an option could result in PC servers losing upfront, plus the long term effect of legit new players naturally trying whichever server has the highest playercount first.
Even if the restrictive subscriptions on PC Graal were to be resolved there'd still be a fairly big gulf between the external circumstances.

That's quite possibly the worst logic I've ever heard. The more playerbase you get on Graal, period, the more players you're going to have on any given server. Back when Classic dominated the playerlist there were still 5-6 other servers with a playerbase of atleast 50, which is good.

Now if you mean Classic will be overshadowed by iClassic, yeah probably. Who knows though, really.

Originally Posted by fccmike

There seems to be a lot of complaining among iPhone players regarding their technical disadvantage sparring against those using the Facebook client, which while it offers the advantage of side straithing, doesn't run as smoothly as the PC client, and so could well be more of a problem.

I'm quite sure that the top tier iClassic sparrers have access to FB accounts. Not only that but important tournies like the GST is split between the FB server and iClassic server so no such thing is a problem. To eradicate sparring complaints there could be rooms dedicated to PC only and rooms dedicated to iSparrers only. You'd then have a room where everyone can join etc.

If scoreboard is the issue (which it isn't, if you look at the iClassic top 10 it's pretty much who you'd expect) then you'd have different scoreboards for PC sparrers and iSparrers. i.e you have two different sparring rates.

Originally Posted by Hiro

You do realize that without side strafing you can't even compete at higher levels of sparring right?

You will almost never be able to land side hits or blink well enough.

Complete nonsense. Side strafing is, imo, a technical advantage but it's not required to win even in high tier spars. Whether you like it or not the iServers are the only future PC Graal has. The only reason we've had a small influx of players in the past few years is because of the popularity Graal gained on the iDevice.

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by Crono

That's quite possibly the worst logic I've ever heard. The more playerbase you get on Graal, period, the more players you're going to have on any given server. Back when Classic dominated the playerlist there were still 5-6 other servers with a playerbase of atleast 50, which is good.

Back when Classic dominated the serverlist most of the servers shared a similar level of external circumstances, that same logic can not be applied in this instance. For this to be the same again PC servers would not only need a better subscription format, but the luxury of also being cross-platform, which simply isn't feasible.

Originally Posted by Crono

Now if you mean Classic will be overshadowed by iClassic, yeah probably. Who knows though, really.

I'm not necessarily referring to Classic, but it is arguably in a very good position to potentially aid PC Graal moving forward as its own entity. If it were to become overshadowed that would be setting a bad precedent.

Originally Posted by Crono

The only reason we've had a small influx of players in the past few years is because of the popularity Graal gained on the iDevice.

Which is why in the event of Stefan and Unixmad realising what internal factors made iPhone a success, and actually taking measures to apply that to PC Graal, combining it with the greater capabilities offered by a computer, could also gain a higher level of popularity (albeit nobody could foresee it reaching the same height on the PC market).
Granted, I doubt it.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Hiro

That seems to be the biggest reason why iPhone should just stay the **** away from PC Graal.

So you'd be mad that they'd be at a disadvantage? Why do you care?

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by Crono

Complete nonsense. Side strafing is, imo, a technical advantage but it's not required to win even in high tier spars. Whether you like it or not the iServers are the only future PC Graal has. The only reason we've had a small influx of players in the past few years is because of the popularity Graal gained on the iDevice.

Well considering you are not, and never were in the high tiers of sparring, you have no idea what you're talking about. Strafing is a requirement for good sparring, period, and all good sparrers strafe.

And I don't like that "iDevices are Graals future," and I never will. And I don't have too. Not to mention PC Graal has not seemingly been supported (hardly) at all these past years would show that the only way Graal could have any popularity anymore is through the iDevices, which is entirely on Stefan and Unixmad's hands.

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

So you'd be mad that they'd be at a disadvantage? Why do you care?

Because I don't enjoy sparring against kids who can't even defend themselves against things us PC sparrers have long since been used too. I like a challenge.

The reason why sparring is even remotely skill based is because of the even-playing field. Equal movement speed, equal freedom of movement, equal damage dealt, equal starting health, and reduced/no lag are what make for great spars. If someone can't even maneuver the same way inherently because of the device they're on, I'll personally win 9/10 times just because they won't be able to avoid sidehits, or a simple blink movement.