Shading advice

[geneticfrog]

it was acutally a good example of pillow shading but this guy dusti always has something negetive to say no matter what you post apparantly.

just beacause the pillow shading wasnt applied EXACTLY HOW DUSTI SAIS to all surfaces doesnt mean its not pillow shaded on some surfaces that it was applied to...... -_-

[Bam112]

Originally Posted by geneticfrog

it was acutally a perfect example of pillow shading but this guy dusti always has something to say no matter what you post.

just beacause the pillow shading wasnt applied to all surfaces doesnt mean its not pillow shading.....

Dusty*

[Crow]

Originally Posted by geneticfrog

just beacause the pillow shading wasnt applied EXACTLY HOW DUSTI SAIS to all surfaces doesnt mean its not pillow shaded on some surfaces..... -_-

Pillow shading can be compared to radial gradients. I didn't do that on any surfaces.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by geneticfrog

it was acutally a good example of pillow shading but this guy dusti always has something negetive to say no matter what you post apparantly.

What I posted was not negative, and this is the root of what the hell is wrong with you posting. You misinterpret logic and reason as someone being "negative" or that it's something personal. I disagreed with your post, but that doesn't mean it's negative until you make it out to be. Then things go downhill.

Originally Posted by geneticfrog

just beacause the pillow shading wasnt applied EXACTLY HOW DUSTI SAIS to all surfaces doesnt mean its not pillow shaded on some surfaces that it was applied to...... -_-

Except it's not pillowshading and that absolutely nothing is wrong with Crow's edit. In fact it has the same exact shading as mines except it has more buffer shades.

Originally Posted by geneticfrog

"'pillow shading', a great evil spoken of by pixel artists in hushed tones. It is the work of the devil, and appears to assume a single point light source hanging directly between us and our object. "

since there was no brightness ontop of the hat you showed us. yet it was bright infront of the hat. i can only assume the light source was applied as a pillowshading light source.

No, that is NOT what pillowshading is. Like I said before, a lightsouce between the viewer and the object CAN create pillowshading, but not always. It's generally frowned upon to use that lightsource because it's a poor choice and often does create pillow shading, but that is not what pillowshading actually is. When you choose a lightsource between the viewer and a sphere it creates pillowshading because you light the sphere from the center outwards. However if you were to choose this same lightsource with an isometric cube it would not create pillowshading because the lightsource does not agree with the outline and volume of the cube. Not that Crow's hat uses this lightsource at all.

This is where things differ, and why pillowshading is actually when an artist is unfamiliar with volume and lets their shading follow the outline of an object rather than actually using any lightsource at all.

[geneticfrog]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

What I posted was not negative, and this is the root of what the hell is wrong with you posting. You misinterpret logic and reason as someone being "negative" or that it's something personal. I disagreed with your post, but that doesn't mean it's negative until you make it out to be. Then things go downhill.


Except it's not pillowshading and that absolutely nothing is wrong with Crow's edit. In fact it has the same exact shading as mines except it has more buffer shades.

acutally the front of the hat was bright and had a light source.

the rim had a second light source from a seperate area.

the top of the hat was dark still and thus the light source was in between you and the object.

a form of pillow shading in my book. but again you are never right when dusti is around.( here comes another giant pile of text)

[Crow]

Originally Posted by geneticfrog

acutally the front of the hat was bright and had a light source.

the rim had a second light source from a seperate area.

the top of the hat was dark still and thus the light source was in between you and the object.

a form of pillow shading in my book. but again you are never right when dusti is around.

The rim is lit from the exact same light source as the cylindric part of the hat, just not as drastically. The top is lit up as well, again, not as drastically. I overdid my highlights and didn't use bright enough tones on both the rim and the top part. That still doesn't make it pillow shading, and I don't even feel bad about it, because I'm not a graphics guy; I'm a coder.

I actually feel good about it, because I know more about graphics than you do, and it shows. Hooray!

[geneticfrog]

Originally Posted by Crow

The rim is lit from the exact same light source as the cylindric part of the hat, just not as drastically. The top is lit up as well, again, not as drastically. I overdid my highlights and didn't use bright enough tones on both the rim and the top part. That still doesn't make it pillow shading, and I don't even feel bad about it, because I'm not a graphics guy; I'm a coder.

I actually feel good about it, because I know more about graphics than you do, and it shows. Hooray!

the bright spot o the rim is slightly to the left= the light source is slighly to the left.

the middle part is fully centred = light source is DIRECTLY between you and the object.

the top was dark = tells me theres no source of light in the sky above the hat.

but w/e floats your boat.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by geneticfrog

the middle part is fully centred

Looks like you are also half blind.

[salesman]

Originally Posted by geneticfrog

it was acutally a good example of pillow shading but this guy dusti always has something negetive to say no matter what you post apparantly.

just beacause the pillow shading wasnt applied EXACTLY HOW DUSTI SAIS to all surfaces doesnt mean its not pillow shaded on some surfaces that it was applied to...... -_-

Just because someone doesn't share your viewpoint doesn't mean they are being negative. Don't take everything so personally. If you opened up your mind a little bit, you might actually learn something from him.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by geneticfrog

acutally the front of the hat was bright and had a light source.

the rim had a second light source from a seperate area.

the top of the hat was dark still and thus the light source was in between you and the object.

a form of pillow shading in my book. but again you are never right when dusti is around.

Just because the front of the hat is lighter than the top does not mean that it the lightsource is coming from directly in front. This is where you're failing at interpreting lightsources. It simply means that the lightsource is SOMEWHERE below the 90degree mark. Also the highlight is slightly to the right of the the tophat.

A gate I made for iClassic:

Would you call that pillowshading? Because the front of the gate is lighter than the top.

[MattKan]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

A gate I made for iClassic:

Well that explains a lot.