Why are PPA guns not tag-locked?

[Pelikano]

Why are PPA guns not tag locked?
Why do people use them in raids?
Why do people use them in Events?
Why is the DC-9 a ****ing Shipka?

[BlueMelon]

:o!!!!!!!!!!!

[MontyPython]

Likely because PPA serves absolutely no lasting or meaningful purpose on the server. It used to exist to essentially be another social club or power guild, but let's face it...it's not even doing that well anymore.

The only possible use left is to allow certain individuals access to an armory of guns unavailable to the public.

This is unacceptable. As I've said time and time again, these guns were designed to be powerful with the concept in mind that they are being used on missions to protect their clients. That is the only time PPA guns are to be used. The fact that you can join a business with guns and then simply use the guns whenever you feel like it. Tag on, tag off. Who cares? Mission, no mission. I've still got my guns.

Here's the thing, Bounty Hunter made more sense to keep as a private business than PPA does. PPA's business model is a joke. In my opinion, one of two things needs to happen. Either staff needs to give PPA more purpose (such as businesses needing to transport their materials to a storage room/other room, and PPA needs to protect them against gangs/players who attempt to steal them) , or PPA just needs to be deleted.

But in the mean time, at least tag-lock the guns. They already were tag-locked, whose brilliant idea was it to untag-lock them?

[salesman]

Originally Posted by MontyPython

Here's the thing, Bounty Hunter made more sense to keep as a private business than PPA does.

I'd really like anyone to propose a public system that would work in place of the private PPA (protecting players).


I've tried to think of something, but came up dry. I'm in favor of removing it completely.

[Pelikano]

They're still being used in Events and Raids.

The fking Ravson5 Nades are VERY annoying, the Ap7s barely have freeze and the DC-9 is Shipka2.

I talked to Daz about this and he told me to talk to Masa.

Masa said he'd discuss it with other staff members, after a week I asked him about progres and he was like:

"It's not a priority, nothing has been done yet"

After me asking him what IS his priority and what he is working on right now, he shut the hell up.
Maybe creating new songs for his instrument?


I don't know why Masa and Daz are still Gang and Gun Admins anyway.
Has anyone seen any change, besides some guns getting buffed in the past 5 - 8 Months?

[CharlieM]

Dc9 doesn't have the same stats as a shipka last I checked my MT and MS were both way better then it.

Also were Ap7's recently made retradeable or something? A kid shot at me while I was typing, and I ended up flawlessing him, I always thought PPA members were better then that

[Pelikano]

PPA Members being good? Stop joking.

[CharlieM]

Yeah but its well known I'm not very good at PK usually

[Pelikano]

Here a conversation beetween me and Masa.
Both partys agreed on publicing these Historys on the forums, so please don't delete.



, (Mon Jul 06 22:41:51 2009):
Yeah
Pelikano (Mon Jul 06 22:41:18 2009):
May I post this history on the Forums?
Pelikano (Mon Jul 06 22:41:18 2009):
Nice, 5 Months stuff are in development? I am sure people will be happy to see the end product of this.
, (Mon Jul 06 22:40:42 2009):
Regardless of whether you think so or not, things are being done.
They're just not being done the way you want them, that's all.
It isn't as if you've played this game long enough to have a favorable opinion over mine.
Yeah, of course I'm going to put my experience before yours, that's a given.
And hey, that's okay, it isn't as if you're entitled to know what's going on around here.
There are things in development, that's all you need to know.
Pelikano (Mon Jul 06 22:40:27 2009):
I hear no answer.

What have you done in the last months besides writing down your ideas?
Pelikano (Mon Jul 06 22:33:17 2009):
However, what did you do in the last 5 Months? Besides writing your toughts down .
I am asking again.

[MontyPython]

Originally Posted by salesman

I'd really like anyone to propose a public system that would work in place of the private PPA (protecting players).


I've tried to think of something, but came up dry. I'm in favor of removing it completely.

I really don't think PPA would work at all as a public business. BHer made sense, there's a bunch of targets, anyone grabs it and completes it.

PPA's contracts are time-limits and activate immediately...so, who would you hire, and what happens if they don't even respond/want to protect you? I guess you could have a volunteer based system where people throw up their accounts as possible Protection Agents, but still...it wouldn't get any business.

There's just no real compelling reason to hire someone to protect you. From what? A death? Boohoo. +1 to the 5,000 the player already has.
Unless a system is in place where businesses or players risk losing money (ie, transporting mining goods) unless it's protected...

But then again, I think that idea wouldn't work out well at all. Unless they wanted to risk losing money, they'd have to hire PPA. PPA would have a monopoly, and it'd just make owning a business have one more annoying thing to constantly deal with. Then you'd also have the issue of needing to transport things when no agents are available, etc.

Bottom line, I just don't think PPA's worth that much work to make it useful.

[Scary_Sock]

I think Bounty Hunter should just replace Grotto.nw, which is the sewer at unstick me. I do realise the point in "Making it hidden" behind a common place, like the Comic Club, but I think it would just be easier at unstick me.

[BlueMelon]

£> Grotto.nw <3

[Frankie]

PPA has been like this for years. nothing but an elitist group with access to unique and over powered weapons.

[cbk1994]

Eventually we'd like to get rid of (or limit the number of) player-owned/player-operated businesses where the main point is stocking. It's impossible to compete with an NPC shop, so unless the shops sell different things, there's no point to it.

What I'd like to do is have more businesses that do something other than mine and press A. Era News is a good example. PPA is the kind of business I am thinking of, but it's a really lame example. PPA will most likely be scrapped or be changed somehow. None of us have come up with a good way to fix PPA yet, so we're open to suggestions.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

Eventually we'd like to get rid of (or limit the number of) player-owned/player-operated businesses where the main point is stocking. It's impossible to compete with an NPC shop, so unless the shops sell different things, there's no point to it.

What I'd like to do is have more businesses that do something other than mine and press A. Era News is a good example. PPA is the kind of business I am thinking of, but it's a really lame example. PPA will most likely be scrapped or be changed somehow. None of us have come up with a good way to fix PPA yet, so we're open to suggestions.

wrong thread? lololol

[Pelikano]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

Eventually we'd like to get rid of (or limit the number of) player-owned/player-operated businesses where the main point is stocking. It's impossible to compete with an NPC shop, so unless the shops sell different things, there's no point to it.

What I'd like to do is have more businesses that do something other than mine and press A. Era News is a good example. PPA is the kind of business I am thinking of, but it's a really lame example. PPA will most likely be scrapped or be changed somehow. None of us have come up with a good way to fix PPA yet, so we're open to suggestions.

Can you please tag lock the Weapons untill you get a way to fix them?

Masa is too busy as he states above.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Frankie

wrong thread? lololol

No, I meant to post it here, I just said a bit more than I planned to.

[Pelikano]

So what happened?

Everyone agrees that PPA isn't doing ****, so why is Sebastien still using his DC-9 (Shipka Stats + 25 dmg) for raids/events etc?

z_Z

[RogueShatterblade]

Originally Posted by MontyPython

Likely because PPA serves absolutely no lasting or meaningful purpose on the server. It used to exist to essentially be another social club or power guild, but let's face it...it's not even doing that well anymore.

The only possible use left is to allow certain individuals access to an armory of guns unavailable to the public.

This is unacceptable. As I've said time and time again, these guns were designed to be powerful with the concept in mind that they are being used on missions to protect their clients. That is the only time PPA guns are to be used. The fact that you can join a business with guns and then simply use the guns whenever you feel like it. Tag on, tag off. Who cares? Mission, no mission. I've still got my guns.

Here's the thing, Bounty Hunter made more sense to keep as a private business than PPA does. PPA's business model is a joke. In my opinion, one of two things needs to happen. Either staff needs to give PPA more purpose (such as businesses needing to transport their materials to a storage room/other room, and PPA needs to protect them against gangs/players who attempt to steal them) , or PPA just needs to be deleted.

But in the mean time, at least tag-lock the guns. They already were tag-locked, whose brilliant idea was it to untag-lock them?

thank god there's someone still on the server who
has cranial matter and makes f*cking sense.

[rtcwgarde]

Originally Posted by Pelikano

So what happened?

Everyone agrees that PPA isn't doing ****, so why is Sebastien still using his DC-9 (Shipka Stats + 25 dmg) for raids/events etc?

z_Z

DC-9 isn't a shipka,it's a decent weapon due to his spread but that's all,and ppa is active (from my point of view since i get hired a lot,just look at my ppa stats)i agree with you on one thing,there's some members who doesn't do anything in ppa but they still use the guns,i don't think tag-locking the guns would fix anything,we should just fire the members who doesn't do anything.

[Pelikano]

Originally Posted by rtcwgarde

DC-9 isn't a shipka,it's a decent weapon due to his spread but that's all,and ppa is active (on my point of view since i get hired a lot,just look at my ppa stats)i agree with you on one thing : members that doesn't do anything should be fired.

What about the guns being able to used off tag?

Why would you need to use them off tag, to pk? Aren't they used to do BUSINESS, if you PPA agents are hella active? Not to talk about you could buy every gun after duping money, haha

[RogueShatterblade]

Originally Posted by Pelikano

What about the guns being able to used off tag?

Why would you need to use them off tag, to pk? Aren't they used to do BUSINESS, if you PPA agents are hella active? Not to talk about you could buy every gun after duping money, haha

the man has a point.

[rtcwgarde]

What's the problem with the guns being able to be used off tag ? It's obvious that you've never used a ppa gun.

[Spikedude]

Originally Posted by salesman

I'd really like anyone to propose a public system that would work in place of the private PPA (protecting players).


I've tried to think of something, but came up dry. I'm in favor of removing it completely.

Make a public version of something like PPA. You get bots that are on your side, but we don't actually need to script bots. Just gani in bots standing at your side. Have things where if you get hit, you freeze for a second but don't take damage because they took a bullet for you, then they could turn around a shoot back or something, that way you get slight advantages.

Edit: If you just want to fix PPA, you should make a system where your name gets added to a database list. You can buy like a level 1-4 agent, and agents will come in and say :takejob in order to go on their next job in queue for someone of their agent level. Then they get paid money and get put on a tag that's like "<Account> Protected" with the player and the agent. Then you can also buy like a gang addition, in which case they'd be added as a temp tag to that gang or something.

[Pelikano]

Originally Posted by rtcwgarde

What's the problem with the guns being able to be used off tag ? It's obvious that you've never used a ppa gun.

Because they're ridicolously cheap? Because they're here to be used to do business? You're banned anyway, lol.

[rtcwgarde]

They're cheap due to last owners,AE is trying to buy them all.
A public version of ppa would be bad,raids would be unbalanced and too many peoples would abuse,also it wouldn't be more active since if peoples doesn't need protection now why would they do once it's public ? ppa isn't BHer.

[The411]

Originally Posted by Pelikano

They're still being used in Events and Raids.

The fking Ravson5 Nades are VERY annoying, the Ap7s barely have freeze and the DC-9 is Shipka2.

Not sure if you meant that the Ravson5 Nades are being used in events, but it's disabled.

Originally Posted by Pelikano

PPA Members being good? Stop joking.

Let's Spar

Originally Posted by MontyPython

PPA's contracts are time-limits and activate immediately...so, who would you hire, and what happens if they don't even respond/want to protect you? I guess you could have a volunteer based system where people throw up their accounts as possible Protection Agents, but still...it wouldn't get any business.

They don't activate immediately. You have to hire them, they have to get on tag, say /PPA, and accept the mission. Usually when I'm hired for missions I don't press accept until I meet up with the player. I'm sure there are cases in which people press accept and don't show up, but that's the job of the player to cancel the contract and get back their money, or contact AE and let him know.

[Pelikano]

99% of PPA sucks, of course there are also good members, Mav, lol D:

Ravson5 nades are usually used in Raids.

[LordSquirt]

Originally Posted by Pelikano

99percent of PPA sucks, of course there are also good members, Mav, lol D:

Ravson5 nades are usually used in Raids.

I don't see why anyone would use them in raids since it hits people in your gang as well. Also, hi, I will spar you

[Pelikano]

Originally Posted by LordSquirt

I don't see why anyone would use them in raids since it hits people in your gang as well. Also, hi, I will spar you

If you don't use PPA guns and/or Bow, you're welcome to get your ass kicked .

Also you talking about why not to use Ravson5 nades, cause it hits your own teammates, shows what kind of bad pker you are, haha.

[RogueShatterblade]

Originally Posted by Pelikano

If you don't use PPA guns and/or Bow, you're welcome to get your ass kicked .

Also you talking about why not to use Ravson5 nades, cause it hits your own teammates, shows what kind of bad pker you are, haha.

may want to curb your pride before it gets crushed.

[Aldaris]

In before Wil says he will beat you all.

[RogueShatterblade]

Originally Posted by Aldaris

In before Wil says he will beat you all.

/thread

[Spikedude]

Guys, better idea.

Make it into a new job. You gain levels based on how many successful protections you pulled off. So if someone hires 3 level 0 bodyguards and 3 noobs come up and join them, they all get put on a single tag, called like "(<Account> Protected)" and if that player doesn't die within his contract time, they all get paid and get experience in protection.

[Pelikano]

whatever you do just tag lock the damn guns

[salesman]

PPA's guns have been tag-locked again.

[Pelikano]

Originally Posted by salesman

PPA's guns have been tag-locked again.

I love you

[Vman13x]

Originally Posted by Pelikano

PPA Members being good? Stop joking.

Pish posh, I was good when I was in it. Squirt, black, and a few others are also good.

[Pelikano]

Originally Posted by Vman13x

Pish posh, I was good when I was in it. Squirt, black, and a few others are also good.

good laugh

[Vman13x]

Can own you anyday sam, and it wasnt me who got scammed by a noob :o.