Forum Manager?

[Unpredlctable]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I don't remember what he said. I think he said he didn't see the purpose.

He fails to see the purpose in a lot of things, doesn't he?

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Just because some paying customers do not get everything they want, does not mean the company does not respect them.

Right. Okay.

You did not pay for only the forums. There is not an option for that, and I would say the same to you as I just did to excaliber.

What does that have to do anything? Regardless of whether the purchase came with other things doesn't mean that you just ignore it.

[Infernix]

Originally Posted by Sam

Don't start this again: you dont pay for using the forums!

Sorry Sam but ahh you have to pay for a graal account which includes access to the forums.

Originally Posted by Darlene159

When the forums do not belong to you....yes, that is exactly what you should do. It's called respect.

Well I guess you just said Women should have never had the right to vote, and the world should have just went under Nazi rule as well as hundreds of other things. Maybe I was thinking to highly when I said you had a high school education.


Would it be illegal for me to make these two post apart of my sig?

[Tyhm]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

You did not pay for only the forums. There is not an option for that, and I would say the same to you as I just did to excaliber.

So the shave-ice vendor in Disneyland can show up drunk, now? After all, they didn't pay just to see the shave-ice vendor. The ride attendants can air their opinions on minorities (or for that matter safely stop smiling in public under any circumstances)?

Not the best point ever...just because the Forums aren't Graal's Primary selling point doesn't remove them from the equation. It's like doing a crap job on the cupholders because nobody buys the car for the cupholders.

The way I'm seeing things Now, you told Unixmad "Hey guy, they want the memberlist enabled." and he said "Why?" and logged off. And based on that, the matter is no longer up for discussion. Which makes it rather difficult for me to figure out whose initials are in my feedback ratingses, as I now have to scour the forum until I find a user whose name roughly matches...when the vast majority (or vocal minority, if you want to count idling users against the average) want to see Moonie take responsibility for (and control of) the forum decisions. Again - we don't have a forum admin, we have a forum automaton.

[zell12]

You it right on the nail Tyhm.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Just because some paying customers do not get everything they want, does not mean the company does not respect them.

If our suggestions, those of the entire active userbase on these forums, want change, and you don't, it shows you think nothing of us, and you don't respect us. It's plain and obvious.

You did not pay for only the forums. There is not an option for that, and I would say the same to you as I just did to excaliber.

It's the actions I've seen expressed on these forums that made me decide not to upgrade. It's how you treat us that drove my business away, and I'm not the only one.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Tyhm

The way I'm seeing things Now, you told Unixmad "Hey guy, they want the memberlist enabled." and he said "Why?" and logged off. And based on that, the matter is no longer up for discussion. Which makes it rather difficult for me to figure out whose initials are in my feedback ratingses, as I now have to scour the forum until I find a user whose name roughly matches...when the vast majority (or vocal minority, if you want to count idling users against the average) want to see Moonie take responsibility for (and control of) the forum decisions. Again - we don't have a forum admin, we have a forum automaton.

Why do people make assumptions? Members had voiced the wanted the option. I sent the links to Unixmad, and he said flat out "no".
End of discussion? Yes, because they are his forums.
You know, some of you expect me to fight the owner for some things that you want, whether I believe in them or not, which is unfair.
You can consider me not an administrator, because I'm not really. Never really thought of it before, but the only administrator is the one who has complete control over the forums, which I do not. Not even close.

I can't help it that I respect the owners wishes when it comes to this game and these boards. Respect for other people and their property is a big part of who I am.

[zell12]

Stop getting yourself involved then god damn it.

[p2p_Sir_Link]

For the ends that this thread was created, this is a dumb idea.

A forum manager would be appointed by the staff, and likely, the little sect that has broken away from the forums would be unlikely to gain this position, and people would still find themselves in the "unfair" (quotes for emphasis on "I Don't really mean that") bans they receive.

However, I would like to see Ibonic put his foot down a little more often.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Infernix

Would it be illegal for me to make these two post apart of my sig?

If you are asked to remove it, yes...Sam nor I either one want quotes by us in members sigs, so you will be asked to remove it.

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

If our suggestions, those of the entire active userbase on these forums, want change, and you don't, it shows you think nothing of us, and you don't respect us. It's plain and obvious.

I have only seen a few members complaining. Ever thought that maybe more don't sign up is because of some of these active members actions? Think about that.

[zell12]

Someone needs to be fixing technical issues currently only stefan can fix. Someone needs to be here to talk to the the players, read their suggestions, take charge of the staff (the global staff as well), and do things on unixmad currently is able to do. That someone, should be like I said 5 times now, employed and stationed at their office, or at least in the same city.

[zell12]

Darlene posted...I have only seen a few members complaining. Ever thought that maybe more don't sign up is because of some of these active members actions? Think about that.

Ever think they don't sign up because of people telling them it's not worth it? Or because of the actions of the moderators? hmmmmm

I see a lot more people playing the client, then posting on here. Or even showing up once or twice. I'd bet a shiny silver dollar that the actions are generally the same in the client (probably worse) than on the forums.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by zell12

Here is what I would like to see done. Another person hired, as a paid employee, and is pretty much in charge of everything that goes on. Should work at the office so he is in close contact with the two deity's of grawl. Stefan and Unixmad need some help.

Do you really think such a person would be able to make Graal anywhere near enough money to even pay for their own salary?

[zell12]

Probably not, but I'm being optimistic here, something has to change. They don't have the time to be doing this, that's is why they don't care, ignore peoples problems.

[p2p_Sir_Link]

I'd be more worried about the starved state of the game rather than the forums.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by zell12

Probably not

Then there shouldn't be one.

[zell12]

So, what do you suggest then Googi?

[Googi]

Originally Posted by zell12

So, what do you suggest then Googi?

I suggest not doing things that lose Graal money.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by zell12

Ever think they don't sign up because of people telling them it's not worth it? Or because of the actions of the moderators? hmmmmm

There are two sides to every coin. It cannot be said that no one signs up or posts on the forums because of the way it is moderated.

I'd bet a shiny silver dollar that the actions are generally the same in the client (probably worse) than on the forums.

I am positive of that. Why do you think I hardly play the game anymore, or Manage a server?

[zell12]

So why would players not sign up on the forums, yet still play the game? You make no sense.

[p2p_Sir_Link]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I am positive of that. Why do you think I hardly play the game anymore, or Manage a server?

So cleaning up the forums, which is supposed to be an added feature to the game is a fruitful endeavor, while worrying about the game itself is not?

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by zell12

So why would players not sign up on the forums, yet still play the game? You make no sense.

I wouldn't know without asking every single one of them, that's my point. I don't make assumptions based on a few members.

Originally Posted by p2p_Sir_Link

So cleaning up the forums, which is supposed to be an added feature to the game is a fruitful endeavor, while worrying about the game itself is not?

I cannot do anything about the game.

[p2p_Sir_Link]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I cannot do anything about the game.

if Graal is paying you (I don't know if they are), you should also be assigned some sort of game support position.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by p2p_Sir_Link

if Graal is paying you

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

[zell12]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I wouldn't know without asking every single one of them, that's my point. I don't make assumptions based on a few members.

ACTUALLY, according to your previous post, you assumed players didn't sign-up because of the actions of the members? Am I correct in saying that?

[p2p_Sir_Link]

Originally Posted by Googi

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

parenthesis pls

[Googi]

Originally Posted by p2p_Sir_Link

parenthesis pls

There are no paid forum staff.

[p2p_Sir_Link]

Originally Posted by Googi

There are no paid forum staff.

then the above statement was rescinding, I was only suggesting that if she were to be paid for doing the forums only, that would be somewhat ridiculous.

[Infernix]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I wouldn't know without asking every single one of them, that's my point. I don't make assumptions based on a few members.

I cannot do anything about the game.

Then dont make blank statement that you dont know about.

and just to restate my lil comments that you magically ignored as your quoted me.

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I think not. You see, when the owner of the game says "no" to something, he clearly means "no".
Now, I don't know what the word "no" means to you, but to me, it simply means "no", not "maybe", not "ask me at another time". It means "no"

Every time someone says no should we just listen? Now I think you have a high school diploma at least, think hard.

Originally Posted by Sam

Don't start this again: you dont pay for using the forums!

Sorry Sam but ahh you have to pay for a graal account which includes access to the forums.

Originally Posted by Darlene159

When the forums do not belong to you....yes, that is exactly what you should do. It's called respect.

Well I guess you just said Women should have never had the right to vote, and the world should have just went under Nazi rule as well as hundreds of other things. Maybe I was thinking to highly when I said you had a high school education.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Infernix

Sorry Sam but ahh you have to pay for a graal account which includes access to the forums.
.

Yes you have to pay for the game to play, this includes the forum. The forum is not the object of your contract you have to pay for

[Damix2]

Originally Posted by Sam

Yes you have to pay for the game to play, this includes the forum. The forum is not the object of your contract you have to pay for

Why can't someone be paying for the forum as the object and the game just happens to come along?

[Infernix]

Its all part of one product anyways. "GRAAL"

But the point of my statement was to make you realize that your statement here...

Originally Posted by Sam

Don't start this again: you dont pay for using the forums!

was completely false.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by p2p_Sir_Link

if Graal is paying you (I don't know if they are), you should also be assigned some sort of game support position.

I do not get paid, and do not have anything to do with the game itself.

Originally Posted by zell12

ACTUALLY, according to your previous post, you assumed players didn't sign-up because of the actions of the members? Am I correct in saying that?

No, I made no assumptions, I said "Have you ever thought that maybe......?" No assumptions there.
Excaliber stated his statement as fact, when it is not.

[_Z3phyr_]

I vote w/e

[zell12]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I do not get paid, and do not have anything to do with the game itself.

No, I made no assumptions, I said "Have you ever thought that maybe......?" No assumptions there.
Excaliber stated his statement as fact, when it is not.

Same thing I said, only assumed it was a different cause. btw read your forum pm please, you have moderators acting out of line. Way out of line.

[Mog]

can i nominate myself as forum manager?

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Sam

Yes you have to pay for the game to play, this includes the forum. The forum is not the object of your contract you have to pay for

you have to pay to have access to the forums, unless of course a magical gold/vip account comes out of nowhere for people who want access.

[Unpredlctable]

Originally Posted by Mog

can i nominate myself as forum manager?

Hmm. I'll allow it.

[zell12]

Don't try to argue that forums is what you paid for fellas, unix already told us publicly that it was a unprivilege or something... lolz

[konidias]

I liked these forums much better when Unixmad let me admin them however I chose.

It's too bad that my fighting with Unix got me global banned which meant no more konidias as forum admin.

[Devil]

That's probably a good thing. Don't worry unixmad, everyone makes mistakes.