true question

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Skrobo2

Regardless of if you log onto the client or not, you are still a member of this community, and are included in "you people". You take your job too seriously and make the forum too strict. There is such a thing as too much moderation, and we have it here. Why did you delete my thread? Why not just give me an infraction and close my thread, so that I at least get my word out even if others can't add to it? Are you afraid of bad criticism? No matter where you go or what you do, someone, somewhere, will dislike your actions and have something negative to say about them. Accept it and don't just make it go away. Maybe even take it into consideration and try and work with the community, because that's what we want. I honestly have less of a complaint with your moderation than Sam's. You don't look to see who negative reps you then messages them calling them gutless for not putting their name in the rep comment, unlike Sam.

Your thread was deleted because we don't need 2 illegal threads at the same time. I am annoyed at not being able to remove this one because another admin is discussing issues with people when it is so obviously a waste of time. I will accept any complaints, but through the support center. that is what it is for. If the complaints are against me, then send them to Unixmad, I have no problem with it.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Minoc

Could you stop mentioning homosexuality in every post you make?
Even the members of the other forum disagree with you.

Well...that's because they're.....
I posted these rules on another development forum I visit. They found them to be unfair, restrictive, and yes, homophobic.

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Your thread was deleted because we don't need 2 illegal threads at the same time. I am annoyed at not being able to remove this one because another admin is discussing issues with people when it is so obviously a waste of time. I will accept any complaints, but through the support center. that is what it is for. If the complaints are against me, then send them to Unixmad, I have no problem with it.

No, we need 10000 of those threads it seems. Eventually, someone will drill it into your head.
Bad moderation + restrictive rules = unhappy customers.
Which kind of customer doesn't pay for VIP/Gold when it runs out in 3 days?

The unhappy kind.


I'd love to renew...but this isn't a place for someone who wants to have fun, or enjoy the forum.
Not to mention a Mac user

Darlene, you're one of the biggest parts of this problem. Different forums, ran by different moderators with the same rules do this much better. Even with the same (unfair) rules, they would be better if you (and Sam) weren't so strict with them

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Your thread was deleted because we don't need 2 illegal threads at the same time. I am annoyed at not being able to remove this one because another admin is discussing issues with people when it is so obviously a waste of time.

STOP
JUST STOP
PLEASE

Look at the screen at what you are typing and QUIT TRYING TO SEPERATE US LIkE THAT. My god.

JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK IT IS A WASTE OF TIME DOES NOT MAKE IT A WASTE OF TIME.

Stefan is TRYING TO TALK TO US PLEASE DO THE SAME THING OR STOP POSTING IN THIS THREAD UNLESS YOU ARE GOING TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE GIVEN TO YOU WITHOUT SEPERATING US LIKE WE ARE DOGS.

Caps in certain places so I hope my point gets across this time as you have ducked my last Two posts directed at you.

If more people would put in a little more effort like Stefan is now this place might be able to get back into shape one day.

I dont think its too much to ask by anyones standard to be given a straight answer when we ask questions.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Andy0687

Stefan is TRYING TO TALK TO US PLEASE DO THE SAME THING OR STOP POSTING IN THIS THREAD UNLESS YOU ARE GOING TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE GIVEN TO YOU WITHOUT SEPERATING US LIKE WE ARE DOGS.

Caps in certain places so I hope my point gets across this time as you have ducked my last Two posts directed at you.

If more people would put in a little more effort like Stefan is now this place might be able to get back into shape one day.

I dont think its too much to ask by anyones standard to be given a straight answer when we ask questions.

I have done this several times already,and so has Unixmad, as I said. It always ends the same, and the same way this thread will end. We read, we explain, we hash it out, then we get bashed because we didn't do what people wants. It is always the same. I'm not going to keep doing it over and over and over.

[Skrobo2]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I have done this several times already,and so has Unixmad, as I said. It always ends the same, and the same way this thread will end. We read, we explain, we hash it out, then we get bashed because we didn't do what people wants. It is always the same. I'm not going to keep doing it over and over and over.

You're going to get bashed by unhappy people regardless. Accept it and live with it. And most importantly read what is said, consider it, and make adjustments to compensate for it. People aren't happy, so make them happy. Not satisfying the customers leads to a dead community. Do you want that? And in your last reply to me you didn't give any good reason why my thread was deleted. Close it if you don't want it being discussed, but don't hide my opinions and view from the rest of the community.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Skrobo2

You're going to get bashed by unhappy people regardless. Accept it and live with it. And most importantly read what is said, consider it, and make adjustments to compensate for it. People aren't happy, so make them happy. Not satisfying the customers leads to a dead community. Do you want that? And in your last reply to me you didn't give any good reason why my thread was deleted. Close it if you don't want it being discussed, but don't hide what opinions and view from the rest of the community.

I don't mind the bashing or the complaints, but do it via the support center where it is suppose to be done. I read all of it.
You cannot make everyone happy, it is impossible. The only way to even come close is to have no rules at all, and let people do/post what they want. Trust me, I have seen first hand the results of that, and want no part of it. I would rather have dead forums.

Some of you keep bringing up what Sam said via private forum PM about reputation points. He called a couple of people "gutless" for not leaving their names, correct? Number one, this was done in a private PM, not in open forum. Is gutless an offensive word like stupid, *****, *******, ect...? I think I have even been called that a few times in open forum. I don't think anyone has ever been warned for it have they? What exactly is the issue here? I have had worse private PM's then this, and done nothing because it is a private PM.
If it bothered people so much, why do I have no forum PM's in my PM box reporting it?

[PrinceDark]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I don't mind the bashing or the complaints, but do it via the support center where it is suppose to be done. I read all of it.

Darlene, the problem is if they do it in the support center, then the individual being complained against has access to their own complaint. So the complaint goes silenced and unnoticed.
People are wanting an individual that is higher up over the mods, but below Stefan, Unix, Ibonic to be able to moderate actions done by moderators.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by PrinceDark

Darlene, the problem is if they do it in the support center, then the individual being complained against has access to their own complaint. So the complaint goes silenced and unnoticed.
People are wanting an individual that is higher up over the mods, but below Stefan, Unix, Ibonic to be able to moderate actions done by moderators.

There is no such person, and there is no reason why this is even needed.

[Skrobo2]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I don't mind the bashing or the complaints, but do it via the support center where it is suppose to be done. I read all of it.
You cannot make everyone happy, it is impossible. The only way to even come close is to have no rules at all, and let people do/post what they want. Trust me, I have seen first hand the results of that, and want no part of it. I would rather have dead forums.

Yet you were just complaining about the bashing and complaints. The support center is useless as I stated in the thread you deleted. The reason to make complaints publicly on the forums is to appeal to more than one person. I could make a support ticket to Unixmad and him close it, or I could make a thread for the public to read and add their own thoughts to and he may stop and say, "Hmm, maybe we do have a problem here, look at all the people complaining!". Do you understand what I'm saying? And "community" doesn't only refer to the forum goers. You don't please your customers and you could lose your entire player base.

Originally Posted by PrinceDark

Several individuals here have received an argument provoking personal message from a certain not so friendly mod. Funny thing is, majority of us left initials or full name letting the user know where the neg rep came. I really don't care as much as some others do, but I just wanted to point this out as proof is readily available by the ones who have been attacked.

He looks to see who negative reps him, then harasses them.

Originally Posted by Sam

Are you really so gutless to leave your name in the reputation comment? Cool

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I would rather have dead forums.

Too bad this isnt your buisness, if it was we wouldnt be having this conversation because the forums would already be dead.

If it bothered people so much, why do I have no forum PM's in my PM box reporting it?

Because no one trusts you and believes you will do anything about it, its simple as that.

As for whats wrong with it? You guys are MODS AND ADMINS you are supposed to be held to a higher standard then us players, yes that is a form of harassment if we arent allowed to call our friends *****s how come a SUPER MOD is allowed to call us Gutless?