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[WHIPENIE4]

damn i thought the Ignore list was made for issues like this. i can understand staff, but anyone else can ignore

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by WHIPENIE4

damn i thought the Ignore list was made for issues like this. i can understand staff, but anyone else can ignore

People who don't want to see abusive language should not have to put people on ignore just so they don't see it. There should be a filter built into the client or something, so that it is used on all of Graal, and not just playerworlds who chose to use it.

[Crono]

I know this is old but you must have a huge record on my account. :P

[WHIPENIE4]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

People who don't want to see abusive language should not have to put people on ignore just so they don't see it. There should be a filter built into the client or something, so that it is used on all of Graal, and not just playerworlds who chose to use it.

they used to have a filter a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away/when there was only like 3 servers. I remember because when i used to cuss all the time it used to say (YOU CAN NOT CURSE ON YADA YADA) something like that it'd block out the whooole message. I know they did, even on the text just in toalls n stuff. BUT ignoring isnt that bad of an idea when i wasnt staff it came in handy, now that im not staff again, it damn sure comes in handy.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

People who don't want to see abusive language should not have to put people on ignore just so they don't see it. There should be a filter built into the client or something, so that it is used on all of Graal, and not just playerworlds who chose to use it.

No.

[zokemon]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

People who don't want to see abusive language should not have to put people on ignore just so they don't see it. There should be a filter built into the client or something, so that it is used on all of Graal, and not just playerworlds who chose to use it.

Only if it had an option to turn it on and off!

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by zokemon

Only if it had an option to turn it on and off!

Only if Graal is going to target an older age group, and not young children whos parents might not want their kids to see the things I have seen in game. There is more to think of besides what some of us want. If Graal is going to target a younger playerbase, then they need to make it pleasing towards the parents/caregivers also, or they are not going to pay for it even if they do have the money to do so.

I don't agree that there should be an option to turn it off. I believe it should be implemented, and used by everyone.

[Tyhm]

Maybe there should be a Chat AP. And by default, people below 10 Chat-AP are ignored. Gotta have daddy edit the parental control settings before you can read the racist crap coming out of Devil's PM-Box. (For example. We all know Devil never says anything offensive. )

[Mykel]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Only if Graal is going to target an older age group, and not young children whos parents might not want their kids to see the things I have seen in game. There is more to think of besides what some of us want. If Graal is going to target a younger playerbase, then they need to make it pleasing towards the parents/caregivers also, or they are not going to pay for it even if they do have the money to do so.

I don't agree that there should be an option to turn it off. I believe it should be implemented, and used by everyone.

Have you been to the internet recently? I can get videos of porn with a few clicks. I can hear horrible language by going to youtube. I can use profanity to someone over AIM.

Quit acting like we are in the golden age of the 50's. Should we allow it? No. But can we prevent it? Absolutely not. Have you played any other games? If the players aren't old enough, they shouldn't play. You aren't going to be able to dull-down the system enough to make it completely appropriate for younger players without completely alienating a large portion of your general user-base. Just because you aren't one of those members doesn't mean you can't see how obvious this is.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Mykel

Have you been to the internet recently? I can get videos of porn with a few clicks. I can hear horrible language by going to youtube. I can use profanity to someone over AIM.

Quit acting like we are in the golden age of the 50's. Should we allow it? No. But can we prevent it? Absolutely not. Have you played any other games? If the players aren't old enough, they shouldn't play. You aren't going to be able to dull-down the system enough to make it completely appropriate for younger players without completely alienating a large portion of your general user-base. Just because you aren't one of those members doesn't mean you can't see how obvious this is.

No, I haven't been on the internet lately.
So let's all just stop trying to make things better just because we know we can't.
I don't agree with that at all. Just because you can find horrible crap all over the internet, doesn't mean the administration of Graal shouldn't do what they can to minimize it on their game.

Ignoring it is not the answer.

Oh, and if older people are going to say "OMG, if I can't use horrible language, and talk to people who just might be kids the way I want, I am not going to play!"
Then maybe they should find something else to do with their time.

[oinknessx]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Only if Graal is going to target an older age group, and not young children whos parents might not want their kids to see the things I have seen in game. There is more to think of besides what some of us want. If Graal is going to target a younger playerbase, then they need to make it pleasing towards the parents/caregivers also, or they are not going to pay for it even if they do have the money to do so.

I don't agree that there should be an option to turn it off. I believe it should be implemented, and used by everyone.

It's a hard thing to implement because although Graal is intended for youngsters, the majority of people who develop and script or do whatever are older players, and they may get pissed and head to a more age-friendly game if everything gets dumbed down for children at some point.

If I was a parent, I probably wouldn't let my kid play Graal, or I would play at the same time and only go on playerworlds with nice people. Not like Era or NPulse, but maybe GK. You can spend hours killing beach crabs to level up a newb on there without seeing anyone.

[Mykel]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

No, I haven't been on the internet lately.
So let's all just stop trying to make things better just because we know we can't.
I don't agree with that at all. Just because you can find horrible crap all over the internet, doesn't mean the administration of Graal shouldn't do what they can to minimize it on their game.

Ignoring it is not the answer.

Oh, and if older people are going to say "OMG, if I can't use horrible language, and talk to people who just might be kids the way I want, I am not going to play!"
Then maybe they should find something else to do with their time.

Did you read my post at all? I said that we shouldn't just allow it, because I knew you were going to take this off-point response as your defense, yet, you still did. Congrats.

Anyway, the point is that if someone is in-game and they're talking to another friend, it becomes annoying when some words are blocked, or restrictions are made that seem a little bit harsh. It's unattractive. Especially when you already have people that are supposed to enforce rules. What exactly is their job if you already have systems built in to control any negative feedback?

Over-protective swear filters are a huge turnoff, and have turned me away from a few servers.

Maybe if you didn't have you "what's wrong with kids today" attitude (and don't try to deny it) you would have a little different outlook.

[kia345]

This game promotes killing, violence, and gangs, and we got 4 pages discussing cussing?

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Mykel

Did you read my post at all? I said that we shouldn't just allow it, because I knew you were going to take this off-point response as your defense, yet, you still did. Congrats.

So then I wont bother. I don't feel like wasting my time that can be spent doing something that matters, other than arguing with people who want to cuss on a game. I said all I wanted to say anyway.

Originally Posted by kia345

This game promotes killing, violence, and gangs, and we got 4 pages discussing cussing?

So does quite a few video games, popular ones too, but you don't see the vulgar speach in them. It doesn't take away from the fun factor either.

[Crono]

Moon Goddess Graal Online has already put in a good amount of effort to keep naughty words and harassment away. But it's not right to go to the point of complete censorship just because the kid's parents can't keep their children away from bad content. If someone curses on Graal, Graal Online has already put in an effort to say that it's bad and players shouldn't do it...its the parent's job to protect their children from such content.

People get jailed and sometimes banned from profanity, anything else is the job of the parents not Graal Online. :/

That's just my 2.53 cents.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Moon Goddess Graal Online has already put in a good amount of effort to keep naughty words and harassment away. But it's not right to go to the point of complete censorship just because the kid's parents can't keep their children away from bad content. If someone curses on Graal, Graal Online has already put in an effort to say that it's bad and players shouldn't do it...its the parent's job to protect their children from such content.

People get jailed and sometimes banned from profanity, anything else is the job of the parents not Graal Online. :/

That's just my 2.53 cents.

Yea, it is the parents job to say their children cannot play Graal or other games because of vulgar chat, you are right...nuff said there.

Yes, Graalonline has done alot to safeguard members from certain things, but Graal is player run, and mostly by children....nuff said there too.

In the end, the administration will decide what age group they mostly want to appeal to, and adjust securities to match it, I suppose. *shrugs*

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Yes, Graalonline has done alot to safeguard members from certain things, but Graal is player run, and mostly by children....nuff said there too.

Teenagers aren't children...O_o

[oinknessx]

It's true other games have violence, killing, and gangs, but they're rated T for teen which suggests an older age level than 13, maybe just a little. In my own opinion, Graal should be rated M unless they can get a faster working profanity blocker that doesn't have a second or two of lag. That means it would have to be built in.

[DustyPorViva]

There might not be a need to censor things, but I always find logging things=good.
One of the games I played logged every single action, so in case anything like harassment happened, there were logs for proof, instead of relying on he say she say crap. There's nothing wrong with having some logs in case anything ever happened, I know when I worked on stuff I always logged things. And it's not like it takes a huge chunk out of an NAT's time.
As for censoring, waste of time.

[kia345]

[DarkCloud_PK]

simple idea:
clientside chat replacement thats toggleable on the client on or off, search chat through a pool of naughty words and select a random non-offensive word from the bank for that specific word(like the F-bomb would be replaced by like, fudge or something dumb like that) so you ultimately have the option to see people swearing or see the "toned down" version of what people say.

making the game completely censored will alienate a large portion of the players and keep the older community away

[Unpredlctable]

What the **** is so bad about cuss words anyway? ****.

[DustyPorViva]

Well that's a mature way to make a point.

[BlueFireX]

I honestly thought Graal was for 13 and olders? I read someone post on runescape about this subject. As my memory serve he was saying "I can't stand curse words, I stand at the bus stop and hear it, it make me sick -blah blah-" yet again another 13+ game. And if you havent heard every curse word there is in the English language than you are Amish. -_-

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by BlueFireX

I honestly thought Graal was for 13 and olders? I read someone post on runescape about this subject. As my memory serve he was saying "I can't stand curse words, I stand at the bus stop and hear it, it make me sick -blah blah-" yet again another 13+ game. And if you havent heard every curse word there is in the English language than you are Amish. -_-

On the website, it says 12+. In any case, the point is not whether you have or have not heard cussing, or whether it bothers you or not. Cussing doesn't have to be allowed in a game for the game to be enjoyable. I just don't see what the big deal is for it not to be allowed.

[Cloven]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Cussing doesn't have to be allowed in a game for the game to be enjoyable. I just don't see what the big deal is for it not to be allowed.

I'm personally indifferent unless cussing is excessive.

On the other hand, though, I do believe that everybody could manage to find something more intelligent to say rather than F&*$ all the time. Ultimately, those who do nothing but swear tend to be weak-minded, resentfully classless individuals ... and that's just sad for a variety of reasons. Some people think the "F" word is the standard for communication, and, when these same people are serving my children fast food later in their lives, they better not have the audacity to wonder why.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Cloven

Ultimately, those who do nothing but swear tend to be weak-minded, resentfully classless individuals

[zokemon]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

On the website, it says 12+. In any case, the point is not whether you have or have not heard cussing, or whether it bothers you or not. Cussing doesn't have to be allowed in a game for the game to be enjoyable. I just don't see what the big deal is for it not to be allowed.

No but it annoys me when swear filters are so excusive that you can't even say a perfectly sencible sentance without getting the whole thing covered in *'s.

I once played this game where it was so bad that if you just said the word "dog" alone, it would filter it.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by zokemon

No but it annoys me when swear filters are so excusive that you can't even say a perfectly sencible sentance without getting the whole thing covered in *'s.

I once played this game where it was so bad that if you just said the word "dog" alone, it would filter it.

Yes, I agree.

[Tyhm]

I actually kinda like the swear filters that are clever about it, and replace text with text. So "F - - -" becomes "Frell", making "Frelling" and "Mother Freller" still sensible in context, but only if you're old enough to know what the original word was. It COULD make things more Graal-flavored, if Graal had its own (Firefly/Serenity)/Transformers/etc. variations on the language...I still like "Slag" as a multi-use swear word. Or "Monkey" as a "I just dropped a hammer on my foot" interjection, though that's taken on racist connotations when applied to people of certain ethnicities...

[DutchGuy]

This could be a great update, but i think graal will be dead by the time it gets here.
as 90% of classics community is only 13 or 14 years old, the half of them is staff. they all swear like it's normal. if you use such a filter they have no reason to log back on to classic anymore.

good side is that half of staff positions will be open for recruiting again.
wow.

[Darklux]

Filtering is no option to educating people why they shouldnt curse.

People will know to verbally hurt people even if bad words are censored out.

[nO1]

Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

This is starting to borderline invasion of privacy me thinks.

Agreed. I don't really feel comfortable with the fact that people like Stryker can read my PMs freely now.

This and the setnick logging system seem completely unnecessary. Swearing and harrassment through nicknames (this never happens) aren't really problems on classic anymore, and I'm confident that GPs can deal with the occasional offenders effectively without this big brother nonsense being implemented.

EDIT: It is interesting that the majority of people in support of this don't even play Classic though! Nanny nation.

[Inspiration]

Hardcode Graal to automatically filter swear words from any account registered to a user under 13 years of age.

If you're over 13 you're hearing every single swear word in the book 500 times a day at school and with your friends, so Graal is hardly going to be anything worse.

Over 13 there could simply be an on/off function like many games already have. Simple.

[Bell]

Originally Posted by nO1

Agreed. I don't really feel comfortable with the fact that people like Stryker can read my PMs freely now.

This and the setnick logging system seem completely unnecessary. Swearing and harrassment through nicknames (this never happens) aren't really problems on classic anymore, and I'm confident that GPs can deal with the occasional offenders effectively without this big brother nonsense being implemented.

EDIT: It is interesting that the majority of people in support of this don't even play Classic though! Nanny nation.

Its not recording chat in pm's that I'm aware of, only masses, toalls, onscreen and toguilds. As for nicks the only time those are useful is if someone complains about being harrassed via pm's. It makes it easier to prove or disprove. Or if someone is using a nick to give out inappropriate links.

[Infernix]

People are only hurt by curse words and etc because they were brought up to understand them as something bad. When in fact, they are just words.

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by Devil

Considering at the end of the day, they are just words, words that people have been told that they are "bad".

I can't believe people actually cry over such little things. I would hate to see what they would be like in person.

I love you.

[syltburk]

Seems pretty retarded to me, but it's classic development!

[papajchris]

on Zodiac, You cant say yen....

[DutchGuy]

classic is becoming more of a jail detention center.