Free tiles

[DustyPorViva]

Figured I'd post this. It's the swamp statue from pics1, though I've optimized it for my tilesets. The reason this is because the original is a whopping 47 colors. Ya, it's filled with gradients, so removing that bugger and replacing it with a more cleaner version will give you a lot more leeway... though I guess not too many customize pics1



Later I might just take pics1 and clean the hell out of, removing the most unused tiles(like the volcano tiles) so people can make more useful tilesets for their classic-type servers.

[Dnegel]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

The reason this is because the original is a whopping 47 colors.

Found it out a few months ago actually when I was playing around with the Pics1 tileset, I started wondering why it had so many colors.

[DustyPorViva]

Well here it is, a clean pics1. Now, this isn't mean to be anything amazingly useful, but more of a base to start with.

See, right before 2k1(and the new Graal client) was released, pics1 got a major reworking. Along with it, lots of new graphics... things like the tree got a new uplift, new signs and so on... but also, a horrible standard in terms of efficiency. For example, the tree image itself uses a lot of colors when it shouldn't have. Also, a lot of circumstantial tiles were added that really were only useful to 2k1. Tons of tiles added just to tile corners of houses and trees that could have easily been fixed with images instead. Either way, pics1 ended up being bloated and full of crap, and even moreso, full of a bunch of ugly tiles no one ever uses.

So what I did was I took pics1 and cleaned out all the stuff you usually wouldn't use on an overworld. Not only does this clean up a lot of wasted colors(I got it from 256 to 210), but opens up a lot of space for you to add your own circumstantial tiles. I know when I make an overworld/server, I add tons of custom tiles to make the levels look nicer, fix a lot of tile errors, and to really open up a lot of possibilities. I suggest everyone else do the same whenever they start an overworld with pics1.

Really, that was a lot of talking just to say I removed a lot of **** from pics1... but it irks me at how poorly the tileset was handled. I may eventually compile all the custom tiles I make into this and post it again, but I dunno... problem is I am always coming up with new tiles and such, so every time I start a new overworld I end up with a different tileset completely(I always end up doing it from scratch).

Just remember, I removed a lot of tiles based on my personal opinion of the tileset, so you may see(or not see) tiles removed that you use, or see tiles that are not gone that you think should have been removed. It doesn't matter, though.

[Soala]

What's that thing showing on the top of the snow/dirt path tiles? Some stone ?

[DustyPorViva]

Oh, I forgot to fix that. That's actually an error in pics1 itself :P Like I said... very poorly planned tileset. I'll fix that now, as I had a few other things to fix as well.

edit: okay, fixed

[Dnegel]

This is pretty nice!

It looks as good as the old tileset, but uses less colors.

[Demisis_P2P]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Well here it is, a clean pics1. Now, this isn't mean to be anything amazingly useful, but more of a base to start with.

See, right before 2k1(and the new Graal client) was released, pics1 got a major reworking. Along with it, lots of new graphics... things like the tree got a new uplift, new signs and so on... but also, a horrible standard in terms of efficiency. For example, the tree image itself uses a lot of colors when it shouldn't have. Also, a lot of circumstantial tiles were added that really were only useful to 2k1. Tons of tiles added just to tile corners of houses and trees that could have easily been fixed with images instead. Either way, pics1 ended up being bloated and full of crap, and even moreso, full of a bunch of ugly tiles no one ever uses.

So what I did was I took pics1 and cleaned out all the stuff you usually wouldn't use on an overworld. Not only does this clean up a lot of wasted colors(I got it from 256 to 210), but opens up a lot of space for you to add your own circumstantial tiles. I know when I make an overworld/server, I add tons of custom tiles to make the levels look nicer, fix a lot of tile errors, and to really open up a lot of possibilities. I suggest everyone else do the same whenever they start an overworld with pics1.

Really, that was a lot of talking just to say I removed a lot of **** from pics1... but it irks me at how poorly the tileset was handled. I may eventually compile all the custom tiles I make into this and post it again, but I dunno... problem is I am always coming up with new tiles and such, so every time I start a new overworld I end up with a different tileset completely(I always end up doing it from scratch).

Just remember, I removed a lot of tiles based on my personal opinion of the tileset, so you may see(or not see) tiles removed that you use, or see tiles that are not gone that you think should have been removed. It doesn't matter, though.

Would it be worth while to make a picso version of pics1?
I think part of the reason pics1 is such a mess is because everything is splattered all over the place (all the water, water/cliff tiles, etc).
Converting it to picso would mean you could group all related tiles together again neatly.

[WhiteDragon]

Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

Would it be worth while to make a picso version of pics1?
I think part of the reason pics1 is such a mess is because everything is splattered all over the place (all the water, water/cliff tiles, etc).
Converting it to picso would mean you could group all related tiles together again neatly.

I think I asked before and the reasoning was that not all of pics1 would fit into the other format.

[Demisis_P2P]

Originally Posted by WhiteDragon

I think I asked before and the reasoning was that not all of pics1 would fit into the other format.

Didn't Stefan implement some dude's idea to make picso infinitely stretchable, as long as you increase it's length by a proportion of it's current length so that the tile type ratios could stay the same?

Or was that all just a dream I had? A fantastic Stefan-dream.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

Didn't Stefan implement some dude's idea to make picso infinitely stretchable, as long as you increase it's length by a proportion of it's current length so that the tile type ratios could stay the same?

Or was that all just a dream I had? A fantastic Stefan-dream.

Nope. He can't, as the hex that the NW format uses maxes out at the current tileset size.

And yes, the problem is the type 0 format(default) is made specifically with the pics1 tileset in mind... and pics1 has A LOT of blocking tiles. Type 1(not picso :P) was made to be more flexible... thus has a lot of non-blocking space. Because of this, you end up with a ton of wasted space for custom tiles and not so much room for all the many blocking tiles pics1 uses.

Either way, converting ends up being a pain in the ass because you end up with a new format... thus it's not easy to convert to it, many classic levelers will not be comfortable with the format, and you lose all the support of predefined tiles.

[Demisis_P2P]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Nope. He can't, as the hex that the NW format uses maxes out at the current tileset size.

And yes, the problem is the type 0 format(default) is made specifically with the pics1 tileset in mind... and pics1 has A LOT of blocking tiles. Type 1(not picso :P) was made to be more flexible... thus has a lot of non-blocking space. Because of this, you end up with a ton of wasted space for custom tiles and not so much room for all the many blocking tiles pics1 uses.

Either way, converting ends up being a pain in the ass because you end up with a new format... thus it's not easy to convert to it, many classic levelers will not be comfortable with the format, and you lose all the support of predefined tiles.

Yeah. I went back and found the thread from 3 years ago and it was one of your threads :P
I posted in it on another account that I forgot I had until right now.

[Elk]

I really wished to be not limited in terms of tileset size...

[Bell]

I think anyone thats ever fought with pics1 has threatened to 'fix' it. Only Dusty has the patience to attempt it to even this state. My attempts usually ended with Excedrin headache #437.

[Dnegel]

Originally Posted by Elk

I really wished to be not limited in terms of tileset size...

This^

[jedzed]

an edit on dustys church wall, with added extras.. (made for houses, all tiles fixed)