Free tiles

[fowlplay4]

Originally Posted by Rave_J

shh hurry take it off before jigga trys to use it for endora lol i can c that happening lol

I don't think you understand the purpose of this thread.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

I don't think you understand the purpose of this thread.

I don't think you understand jigga.

[fowlplay4]

Originally Posted by Crono

I don't think you understand jigga.

Considering he's tried to steal staff from me, and even tried convincing me to work for him on Endora with promises of going classic. I think I know a little about the guy.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

Considering he's tried to steal staff from me, and even tried convincing me to work for him on Endora with promises of going classic. I think I know a little about the guy.

then y u posted dat :I

[Cubical]

Originally Posted by Crono

then y u posted dat :I

bcuz

Originally Posted by Rave_J

shh hurry take it off before jigga trys to use it for endora lol i can c that happening lol

Doesn't realize this is a free tile thread I guess.

[Clockwork]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

Considering he's tried to steal staff from me, and even tried convincing me to work for him on Endora with promises of going classic. I think I know a little about the guy.

Lol nah. He does that to everyone.

[Deeek]

Originally Posted by Liberated

God i'm in love with those cliffs, also, didn't mal use that sewer monster? Or did they turn it down?

Maloria is a dead project.

[Cubical]

That still doesn't mean you can use their content without permission from either the current manager or someone from the playerworld admistration.

[Deeek]

Originally Posted by Cubical

That still doesn't mean you can use their content without permission from either the current manager or someone from the playerworld admistration.

Well considering I made all of these I'd tend to assume that I have some rights to them, but I'll get with the manager. Oh wait, there isn't one.

Can someone help me out with this? I don't want to cause unnecessary problems from posting my work voluntarily to this thread.

[fowlplay4]

Originally Posted by Deeek

Well considering I made all of these I'd tend to assume that I have some rights to them, but I'll get with the manager. Oh wait, there isn't one.

Can someone help me out with this? I don't want to cause unnecessary problems from posting my work voluntarily to this thread.

Sadly, if it's been uploaded on a server. They own it and can have/request it be removed. Whoever is in charge over there has the rights (and Graal Administration) to it now.

You are free to modify it so it's no longer like the original and re-release it to the public though. But even then the rules are foggy about this too.

[Cubical]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

Sadly, if it's been uploaded on a server. They own it and can have/request it be removed. Whoever is in charge over there has the rights (and Graal Administration) to it now.

You are free to modify it so it's no longer like the original and re-release it to the public though. But even then the rules are foggy about this too.

I remember this being an issue with Cloud when he uploaded the Gladius to Zodiac back when Zodiac and Maloria were bitter rivals.

[Bell]

I'll see if I can find Zero still around on aim just to be sure. I really doubt he'll mind though with the images. He may have issue with the use of the tileset as a whole though.

[zephirot]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

Sadly, if it's been uploaded on a server. They own it and can have/request it be removed. Whoever is in charge over there has the rights (and Graal Administration) to it now.

You are free to modify it so it's no longer like the original and re-release it to the public though. But even then the rules are foggy about this too.

Wow that's really stupid.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by zephirot

Wow that's really stupid.

Don't work for a server if you don't think they deserve you work, even years down the line. If you have a good standing with them and they're not using your work, chances are you can get permission to take it back.

[zephirot]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Don't work for a server if you don't think they deserve you work, even years down the line. If you have a good standing with them and they're not using your work, chances are you can get permission to take it back.

Well as far as I know, Maloria isn't even on the playerlist (Not even UC) so he should be allowed to use his tileset how he wants.

[coreys]

Originally Posted by zephirot

Well as far as I know, Maloria isn't even on the playerlist (Not even UC) so he should be allowed to use his tileset how he wants.

I believe it is then technically allowed, if not an official rule then more of a general practice.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by zephirot

Well as far as I know, Maloria isn't even on the playerlist (Not even UC) so he should be allowed to use his tileset how he wants.

Either way you want to avoid future conflicts, and given the amount of times servers are attempted to be revived, it is sure to crop up again later.

[smirt362]

Those are awesome deek, I never saw the tiles that you made. I really...really...REALLY love the cliffs.

[Deeek]

Initially I held the creative rights before I gave my work to Ziro on his project, then they became Maloria's (seeing as they were to be used for Maloria and not Ziro's exclusive personal use). I'm assuming that when the project died the rights went back to their respective owners, either that or they become Graal's. If that's the case then it should be true that anyone should be able to use these

[coreys]

When you upload any content to a server it's usage is then dictated by the Manager and by Unixmad/Stefan. You can't upload it anywhere, nor can anyone else, without permission from one of them.

But honestly, if Ziro complained that'd just make him a ****, and I don't think he's going to.

[Bell]

I honestly don't think he'll complain either. While it would be nice if rights went to the actual maker of an image or a script. That is impossible for us to track. We also can't say how long a project is going to go into suspended mode. Many projects go a few years then suddenly get revived. Hence the reason that anything made and uploaded onto a server first belongs to that server.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Bell

I honestly don't think he'll complain either. While it would be nice if rights went to the actual maker of an image or a script. That is impossible for us to track. We also can't say how long a project is going to go into suspended mode. Many projects go a few years then suddenly get revived. Hence the reason that anything made and uploaded onto a server first belongs to that server.

Honestly, no it wouldn't. Servers have a hard enough time, and no server needs to be ripped apart just because someone quits. Ya, we're doing this for free, but you can't put that sort of power into the developers hands. Developers just need to think harder before jumping onto a project.

[Deeek]

Originally Posted by Bell

I honestly don't think he'll complain either. While it would be nice if rights went to the actual maker of an image or a script. That is impossible for us to track. We also can't say how long a project is going to go into suspended mode. Many projects go a few years then suddenly get revived. Hence the reason that anything made and uploaded onto a server first belongs to that server.

When I talked to him about continuing my work on his server he stated that he quit graal and has no interest in returning, which implies his abandoment of the project. It's hard to prove heresay, of course - but it's safe to assume that we had a mutual agreement that was implied that the rights would be returned to me if this happened instead of floating around in the twisting nether.

I think there's some language that needs to be addressed about this. Is there anything in the ToS that's related? I would think that with Graal this would be a pretty important topic, what with projects and such stealing other's ideas, graphics, scripts and such there would be some definitions laid out (assuming the statement that Stefan/Unixmad hold all rights to intellectual property on their servers is true).

[Bell]

Originally Posted by Deeek

When I talked to him about continuing my work on his server he stated that he quit graal and has no interest in returning, which implies his abandoment of the project. It's hard to prove heresay, of course - but it's safe to assume that we had a mutual agreement that was implied that the rights would be returned to me if this happened instead of floating around in the twisting nether.

I think there's some language that needs to be addressed about this. Is there anything in the ToS that's related? I would think that with Graal this would be a pretty important topic, what with projects and such stealing other's ideas, graphics, scripts and such there would be some definitions laid out (assuming the statement that Stefan/Unixmad hold all rights to intellectual property on their servers is true).

It used to spell it out quite clearly in the EULA but since the website change I've been unable to find it. Needless to say its been this way from day 1 and until such time as I'm told otherwise I'll enforce it the exact same way. Once uploaded to Graal it belongs to Graal. To break it down further, once uploaded to a server it belongs to that server. If a developer uploads something they made onto more than one server without first gaining permission from the original. We will check rc logs to see where it was first put up and give them the useage rights. If the original server no longer exists and there is no longer a record then there is obviously nothing we can do unless its known by others to have been a part of the now defunct server.

There is absolutely no way we can guarantee every script, image or tile to always remain the property of its original server. None of us have a photographic memory of every server ever developed for Graal. This is also why we will not start giving individual developers rights within themselves. It would make it that much harder to police. (And don't come back with the "you're just lazy" line) You should try to police this sometime, its not easy!

Dusty is entirely correct when he says its up to developers to be choosier where they work. There have been far too many removal demands just because some dev gets angry at an owner and demands their work be removed. Its their problem if they can't agree with a server owner/manager, not the PWA's.

[WhiteDragon]

Originally Posted by Bell

It used to spell it out quite clearly in the EULA but since the website change I've been unable to find it. Needless to say its been this way from day 1 and until such time as I'm told otherwise I'll enforce it the exact same way. Once uploaded to Graal it belongs to Graal. To break it down further, once uploaded to a server it belongs to that server. If a developer uploads something they made onto more than one server without first gaining permission from the original. We will check rc logs to see where it was first put up and give them the useage rights. If the original server no longer exists and there is no longer a record then there is obviously nothing we can do unless its known by others to have been a part of the now defunct server.

There is absolutely no way we can guarantee every script, image or tile to always remain the property of its original server. None of us have a photographic memory of every server ever developed for Graal. This is also why we will not start giving individual developers rights within themselves. It would make it that much harder to police. (And don't come back with the "you're just lazy" line) You should try to police this sometime, its not easy!

Dusty is entirely correct when he says its up to developers to be choosier where they work. There have been far too many removal demands just because some dev gets angry at an owner and demands their work be removed. Its their problem if they can't agree with a server owner/manager, not the PWA's.

Just an interesting consequence... wouldn't everything in the Code Gallery be illegal to use (unless the person posted got it approved by Manager of the server they made it on)?

I'm pretty sure no one has.

[Liberated]

It's a messed up system and only someone french can come up with it.

[Soala]

Originally Posted by Liberated

It's a messed up system and only someone french can come up with it.

[Grey]

Originally Posted by Soala

fixed

[Nasgoroth]

Originally Posted by Grey

fixed

LOL rep+

[Deas_Voice]

Originally Posted by Grey

fixed

OWNT!! rep+

[Bell]

Originally Posted by WhiteDragon

Just an interesting consequence... wouldn't everything in the Code Gallery be illegal to use (unless the person posted got it approved by Manager of the server they made it on)?

I'm pretty sure no one has.

Agreed, scripts are the most difficult to monitor. For one thing, two different people could easily come up with the same script, or very similar ones. For the sake of argument though I personally think the focus is on things more visual since thats were the whole copycat syndrome comes in.

[Sky]

Yea, so I just found this on an old back-up CD of mine. It was for a server I was making about 5 or so years ago. If anyone wants to use it or whatever have at it. :P

P.S. Don't make fun of me I know I suck at GFX. :'(

[Dnegel]

I think it looks kinda cool, I like the water.

[MrName]

Same as Dnegel, Looks nice nice nice ;o

You should finish it, you don't suck at gfx if you made that dude

[DustyPorViva]

I found these help the tiles a bit, but they were really hard to work into 2 tiles so they might look as good as they should.

[DustyPorViva]

Figured I'd post this. It's the swamp statue from pics1, though I've optimized it for my tilesets. The reason this is because the original is a whopping 47 colors. Ya, it's filled with gradients, so removing that bugger and replacing it with a more cleaner version will give you a lot more leeway... though I guess not too many customize pics1



Later I might just take pics1 and clean the hell out of, removing the most unused tiles(like the volcano tiles) so people can make more useful tilesets for their classic-type servers.

[Dnegel]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

The reason this is because the original is a whopping 47 colors.

Found it out a few months ago actually when I was playing around with the Pics1 tileset, I started wondering why it had so many colors.

[DustyPorViva]

Well here it is, a clean pics1. Now, this isn't mean to be anything amazingly useful, but more of a base to start with.

See, right before 2k1(and the new Graal client) was released, pics1 got a major reworking. Along with it, lots of new graphics... things like the tree got a new uplift, new signs and so on... but also, a horrible standard in terms of efficiency. For example, the tree image itself uses a lot of colors when it shouldn't have. Also, a lot of circumstantial tiles were added that really were only useful to 2k1. Tons of tiles added just to tile corners of houses and trees that could have easily been fixed with images instead. Either way, pics1 ended up being bloated and full of crap, and even moreso, full of a bunch of ugly tiles no one ever uses.

So what I did was I took pics1 and cleaned out all the stuff you usually wouldn't use on an overworld. Not only does this clean up a lot of wasted colors(I got it from 256 to 210), but opens up a lot of space for you to add your own circumstantial tiles. I know when I make an overworld/server, I add tons of custom tiles to make the levels look nicer, fix a lot of tile errors, and to really open up a lot of possibilities. I suggest everyone else do the same whenever they start an overworld with pics1.

Really, that was a lot of talking just to say I removed a lot of **** from pics1... but it irks me at how poorly the tileset was handled. I may eventually compile all the custom tiles I make into this and post it again, but I dunno... problem is I am always coming up with new tiles and such, so every time I start a new overworld I end up with a different tileset completely(I always end up doing it from scratch).

Just remember, I removed a lot of tiles based on my personal opinion of the tileset, so you may see(or not see) tiles removed that you use, or see tiles that are not gone that you think should have been removed. It doesn't matter, though.

[Soala]

What's that thing showing on the top of the snow/dirt path tiles? Some stone ?

[DustyPorViva]

Oh, I forgot to fix that. That's actually an error in pics1 itself :P Like I said... very poorly planned tileset. I'll fix that now, as I had a few other things to fix as well.

edit: okay, fixed