DazJenova's update on how the server is

[Spikedude]

Originally Posted by Crow

Your point is invalid.

First, WoW doesnt get new content every tuesday, thats bull****.
Second, Blizzard is professional, they know what they do. Of course they dont take away their content again.
And, third: Does Blizzard do what WoW players want? Think about that.

Ok, first off, that was an example. Second off, every tuesday was an exaggeration, they update multiple times each month. Third, era management is supposed to act as professionals. And fourth, yes, they do what their players want. They add new content for them to use all the time. There's always something new to do. That's why they consistently hold 7 million players.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by Spikedude

Ok, first off, that was an example. Second off, every tuesday was an exaggeration, they update multiple times each month. Third, era management is supposed to act as professionals. And fourth, yes, they do what their players want. They add new content for them to use all the time. There's always something new to do. That's why they consistently hold 7 million players.

Once or twice a month, sometimes (rarely) three times. I play myself.
The playerbase and like 98% of the developers are still teenagers. Theres no chance to be professional here.
They add new content, yes, but hell, if they did what the players want, they wouldnt cry buckets. "OMG NREF" Recently I actually saw a mage whining because the AoE damage cap was raised. Wtf on this one. Its impossible to make players completely happy, and I didnt even say to never ask them.

[Spikedude]

Originally Posted by Crow

Once or twice a month, sometimes (rarely) three times. I play myself.
The playerbase and like 98 percent of the developers are still teenagers. Theres no chance to be professional here.
They add new content, yes, but hell, if they did what the players want, they wouldnt cry buckets. "OMG NREF" Recently I actually saw a mage whining because the AoE damage cap was raised. Wtf on this one. Its impossible to make players completely happy, and I didnt even say to never ask them.

I don't play WoW so I have no idea what you just said. Anyways, even if the developers on Era are all teenagers, they're willing to work and maintain a professional enviroment and you know it. Obviously we can't staff 200 thousand people to add 48 hours of continuous play to the server every week, but we can staff 10 people who are willing to create a couple new updates every week. And the fact you're suggesting that when you're managing a game, what the players think doesn't matter is just... I don't even know why I'd comment on that. The playerbase is who matters on the server. With no players, there is no server. If you do things consistently that angers 20 percent of the population, you'll never get anywhere. The entire job of the management is to keep the game fun.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by Spikedude

I don't play WoW so I have no idea what you just said. Anyways, even if the developers on Era are all teenagers, they're willing to work and maintain a professional enviroment and you know it. Obviously we can't staff 200 thousand people to add 48 hours of continuous play to the server every week, but we can staff 10 people who are willing to create a couple new updates every week. And the fact you're suggesting that when you're managing a game, what the players think doesn't matter is just... I don't even know why I'd comment on that. The playerbase is who matters on the server. With no players, there is no server. If you do things consistently that angers 20 percent of the population, you'll never get anywhere. The entire job of the management is to keep the game fun.

Guess I typed that up a bit wrong. My opinion actually is that players should be taken seriously in most cases, but that there are things that wont go well if players decide on those, too. Also, I completely thought you would play WoW :P
You also have to take the fact that being a Graal developer isnt a job in almost all the cases. Most developers do it for fun and still want/have to do something else in their freetime.

[Spikedude]

Originally Posted by Crow

Guess I typed that up a bit wrong. My opinion actually is that players should be taken seriously in most cases, but that there are things that wont go well if players decide on those, too. Also, I completely thought you would play WoW :P
You also have to take the fact that being a Graal developer isnt a job in almost all the cases. Most developers do it for fun and still want/have to do something else in their freetime.

I never once suggested that developers shouldn't have a life. I do ganis a lot and still have a life. And I also never suggested once that Era staff isn't making any developments. It's the fact that these developments Era is making is in all the places that the majority of the players DON'T want. If you took a poll to see if people would rather have a new gmap or the current gmap, the majority would vote to use the current gmap. Meanwhile, if you took a vote to see if players would rather have a new quest where the reward is a brand new gun or a new gmap, they would all choose the new quest.

Catch my drift?

And again, what the players want is important in all cases. Just because 2 people will come on here and say "LOL WE NEED DUPING" isn't the point I'm trying to prove. Obviously in those cases it's either lose 98 percent of your playercount or lose 2 percent of you playercount, and the answer will always be "cya later!" But in some cases, the management seems to just flat out not care about what players think because they'd rather have everything the way they want it even if it contradicts what the rest of era wants. Maybe if you tried talking to people and coming up with some sort of compromise, it would work out better. Maybe you could add a second gmap with all new stuff rather than deleting the old and making a new. A simple compromise like that from the beginning would have taken 2 seconds of additional work while now, it would be nearly an impossibility since the new gmap is almost done. But because the management has a lack of communication with the rest of the server, nobody ever got any point accross to anyone.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by Spikedude

I never once suggested that developers shouldn't have a life. I do ganis a lot and still have a life. And I also never suggested once that Era staff isn't making any developments. It's the fact that these developments Era is making is in all the places that the majority of the players DON'T want. If you took a poll to see if people would rather have a new gmap or the current gmap, the majority would vote to use the current gmap. Meanwhile, if you took a vote to see if players would rather have a new quest where the reward is a brand new gun or a new gmap, they would all choose the new quest.

Catch my drift?

And again, what the players want is important in all cases. Just because 2 people will come on here and say "LOL WE NEED DUPING" isn't the point I'm trying to prove. Obviously in those cases it's either lose 98 percent of your playercount or lose 2 percent of you playercount, and the answer will always be "cya later!" But in some cases, the management seems to just flat out not care about what players think because they'd rather have everything the way they want it even if it contradicts what the rest of era wants. Maybe if you tried talking to people and coming up with some sort of compromise, it would work out better. Maybe you could add a second gmap with all new stuff rather than deleting the old and making a new. A simple compromise like that from the beginning would have taken 2 seconds of additional work while now, it would be nearly an impossibility since the new gmap is almost done. But because the management has a lack of communication with the rest of the server, nobody ever got any point accross to anyone.

Well, I think that the new gmap is one of the things that dont need player input, really. There are several problems with the current one, including being too big and also looking fugly in some places. The new gmap also looks somewhat identical to the old one in some places, I really dont see any problems with that.
About player communication, I actually communicate with players alot, since I myself am still playing (or atleast try to do so), and I also write down good ideas and try to realize them later.
It's just that sometimes people have to live with changes. They did before, and they still can/will.
Going to bed now *yawns* Maybe we can go on tomorrow ;D

[DazJenova]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

Well, ultimately players rarely know what they want to see, they just want to be entertained. Personally, I was relieved when TSA got manager after Daz's reign of horror. Daz, you don't understand that developing things isn't as easy as, "Okay guys, DO THIS!" It takes the right people, who have time to do it, who can work together, and get things done... which only end up getting done eventually instead of immediately. While you were able to bring up some valid points, for the most part your posts are flooded with ignorance to the situation. Not to mention hiring new developers is a very difficult task as well. You can't just hire anyone off of the street, especially not on a top classic server. You have to be careful of who you hire, and they have to know what they're doing or it ends up making the server look bad. You can't honestly say "the server has been the same for 6months," simply because it hasn't.

I never said it was easy hence i know exactly how hard it is to find the right people that's exactly what i tryed to do throughout my management so don't get me started there Tig. Amsel i completely agree with the whole issue you raised and the reason why i keep questioning about the server is because someone has to ensure that this server is acually being taken care of and not being abused and used by a bunch of friends which clearly is the case at the moment. It's really fustrating raising these points up over and over because they are problems that exist but what really ticks me off is TSA when someone nnot just myself but anyone else asks these questions you try silence them out or ban them. That's not reasonable at all you should acually communicate to acually resolve the matter and if you can't be bothered to replace your inactive staff then why an earth do you want to manage the server if you wont replace staff that don't even work. I said from the start not all staff are like that some acually do work hard but some take the piss and you sit back and let it happen. I'm not slandering you here but you need to replace those useless staff and find replacement staff even though it's damn well hard to find talent out there you still have to try like i did.

I was constantly harrassed by Vulcan to find new staff if my staff wern't working and had to monitor everyones activity otherwise Vulcan would of had a ***** fit at me, that's what i clearly don't understand why he doesen't do the same for you it's basically like you let your staff do w/e they please and dont do anything to prevent it that's what really ticks me off and that's why i'm the person asking the questions that need answers too. I'm sorry for seeing that i'm being a jackass but i'm clearly doing what is best for the server and what about the abuse i get also TSA you know exactly how much i had while in management because most the things got blamed on myself now even when i log on era there's people like EC or Vulcan pming me saying "failure" i wasen't given the chance to fix the server, i tryed finding the correct staff to help the server out and develop it more but vulcan did what he did. Now can you see from my point why i complain most the time is because nothing gets done about it if your staff are being inactive take care of it and even let the players know why it's taking so long to get one gmap done and a few systems done. That's all i'm saying you act as if everything is ok and when those important questions are asked about how the ecomony or how the state of the server is you simply ignore it or your staff abuse their powers to ban those players to silence them up.

Now to resolve this whole matter i will acually give you credit if you acually do pull off a new reset and new content but like amsel said deleting all the content that was done throughout the years isn't going to help the server, what made chrisz era so fun was because it was entertaining you don't always have to make the server fair and boring.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by DazJenova

Now to resolve this whole matter i will acually give you credit if you acually do pull off a new reset and new content but like amsel said deleting all the content that was done throughout the years isn't going to help the server, what made chrisz era so fun was because it was entertaining you don't always have to make the server fair and boring.

Fair is needed, and the only content that will actually be completely replaced is the gmap. What currently sucks and isnt fair at all are for example the WW2 guns. They were already weakened, but they are still overpowered.

Last short thing for today *waves*

[DazJenova]

Originally Posted by Crow

Fair is needed, and the only content that will actually be completely replaced is the gmap. What currently sucks and isnt fair at all are for example the WW2 guns. They were already weakened, but they are still overpowered.

Last short thing for today *waves*

True but still those guns are very well designed and there is no need to get rid of them acually try find a way to use them. Even make a war event or some sort that you can pick those guns up and use them insetad of completely trashing work which is completely pointless.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by DazJenova

True but still those guns are very well designed and there is no need to get rid of them acually try find a way to use them. Even make a war event or some sort that you can pick those guns up and use them insetad of completely trashing work which is completely pointless.

I never said they arent reused

Very last post, I swear! ;o

[DazJenova]

But like i said before in my post i'm not having a go i'm tired of arguing the same points over and over i would just like someone to acually do something about it and TSA to stepup and do your duties on getting rid of inactive staff like icarus, nuada, maverick, gambet etc etc. Icarus always crys on RC that graal is boring and WoW's so much better than get rid of him and find a person who will acually dedicate their time administrating the server and checking what current staff are doing, don't just keep him there because he's a friend and you can't be bothered to find a new replacement. Those kind of things is what piss people off and you wonder why myself and others complain about the same thing over and over.

I apologise for massing true facts which show what problems are in the server but other players interacted also about those problems and Demisis did not like it because apprently if we say things you guys don't want to hear it's an instant ban or jail. Try acually to resolve the situation instead of your staff throwing the ban hammer arround.

[Spikedude]

Last post for me for a while, I gotta go do homework.

Anyways, first off, the gmap is precisely one of the issues that you should listen to players on because the gmap is one of the biggest aspect defining a server. A new gmap would practically mean a new server altogether. You can't go through that drastic of a change without taking player opinion. Also, Crow, you are one of the few staff who actually does respond immediately to PMs, read everything people say, and attempt to make sure everyone is happy. TSAdmin never even took the time to read my whole appology I wrote to him one day. He told me he "skimmed it."

World War II guns. Those took a lottt of work to do, yet Warhead, Armanno, Snow, and I consistently spent our time making everything look and feel perfect. Just because Icarus gave them really cheap stats and just because dumbing them down won't make them worth their money doesn't mean they should be ditched completely. TSAdmin seems to think that just the sight of them annoys him, so instead of attempting to use them in a good way, he will just delete them. What a great way to solve your problems.

Have fun writing up your pretty little responses suggesting my stupidity.

[TSAdmin]

Originally Posted by Spikedude

TSAdmin seems to think that just the sight of them annoys him, so instead of attempting to use them in a good way, he will just delete them. What a great way to solve your problems.

Incorrect. The whole time they were being developed, I never liked the idea of them at all, and opposed the idea before they were even constructed, but you guys got the go-ahead from Daz to do it, anyway, so my dislike for their existance, now, is no different or altered than my opinion on them back then - Difference is, now I actually have some sway over their fate. Personally, I think people should take into account that I had every ability (not to mention right) to just remove them from the server, entirely, when they became the centre of attention during that duping issue, yet I didn't because - and getting to your points about talking to the players - even people who didn't have the benefit of owning them said it would really piss off some good players, merely caught up in a bad situation, so I didn't.

I don't mind the idea of an event that uses them, like laser tag uses the laser rifles, but as far as them returning to the Era population, only the people who own one say they would hate if they weren't coming back, and giong by what you were saying "Losing 2 percent is better than losing 98 percent of players", and only a minority believe we should even have these weapons on Era at all, thus, they're not coming back. That's the pure fact.

Originally Posted by DazJenova

<<...>> don't just keep him there because he's a friend and you can't be bothered to find a new replacement.

In all honesty, not that you'll believe me, anyway - I'm not keeping him around because he's a friend. And on this note of "friends with RC" bullcrap, I'm sick of hearing it. Crow wasn't a friend when I hired him, nor half the people on the team, but just about all people on RC, now, are friends of mine. It's what you form with your team, so when someone says "You hire friends", and I respond "I fail to see your point", I really mean it. Crow is now a friend of mine, because we've spent that time working together and gotten to know each other, but I am not going to keep him around (and I'm not keeping Icarus around) "because he's a friend", and it's certainly not "I can't be bothered".

I'm keeping Icarus around because even if he says "WoW is more fun to play", that doesn't mean he doesn't pitch in and keep up to date '.

As far as Maverick goes, I've been handling business issues, myself while I have much more important things to do, and have made it clear to Maverick it's really getting beyond a joke, and that he needs to step up his own game. Whether he listened or not will be evident to me the next time I get a chance to log on RC (as after this post, I have to go see some family). That's all I'm going to say on that issue, because I'm not entirely comfortable with discussing the security of a member of staff's job in the public eye, yet behind his back.

[Spikedude]

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

Incorrect. The whole time they were being developed, I never liked the idea of them at all, and opposed the idea before they were even constructed, but you guys got the go-ahead from Daz to do it, anyway, so my dislike for their existance, now, is no different or altered than my opinion on them back then - Difference is, now I actually have some sway over their fate. Personally, I think people should take into account that I had every ability (not to mention right) to just remove them from the server, entirely, when they became the centre of attention during that duping issue, yet I didn't because - and getting to your points about talking to the players - even people who didn't have the benefit of owning them said it would really piss off some good players, merely caught up in a bad situation, so I didn't.

I don't mind the idea of an event that uses them, like laser tag uses the laser rifles, but as far as them returning to the Era population, only the people who own one say they would hate if they weren't coming back, and giong by what you were saying "Losing 2 percent is better than losing 98 percent of players", and only a minority believe we should even have these weapons on Era at all, thus, they're not coming back. That's the pure fact.



In all honesty, not that you'll believe me, anyway - I'm not keeping him around because he's a friend. And on this note of "friends with RC" bullcrap, I'm sick of hearing it. Crow wasn't a friend when I hired him, nor half the people on the team, but just about all people on RC, now, are friends of mine. It's what you form with your team, so when someone says "You hire friends", and I respond "I fail to see your point", I really mean it. Crow is now a friend of mine, because we've spent that time working together and gotten to know each other, but I am not going to keep him around (and I'm not keeping Icarus around) "because he's a friend", and it's certainly not "I can't be bothered".

I'm keeping Icarus around because even if he says "WoW is more fun to play", that doesn't mean he doesn't pitch in and keep up to date '.

As far as Maverick goes, I've been handling business issues, myself while I have much more important things to do, and have made it clear to Maverick it's really getting beyond a joke, and that he needs to step up his own game. Whether he listened or not will be evident to me the next time I get a chance to log on RC (as after this post, I have to go see some family). That's all I'm going to say on that issue, because I'm not entirely comfortable with discussing the security of a member of staff's job in the public eye, yet behind his back.

What part of the WWII guns do you not like? What I don't understand is for what reason you'd throw away some of the best created guns on the server because the stats got way too powerful before. Make them as crappy as the AK47 for all I care, but for what reason would you ever completely delete all of that?

And as far as the whole "hiring friends, blahblahblah," I'm actually on TSA's side. TSA's staff is generally doing fine as far as working together and getting their work done, the thing that trifles me is the decision making skills up top of the heirarchy.

And Maverick has been getting on a lot more recently, the reason why he'd been having troubles carrying his own weight before was because of the lack of anything to do when you basically say "reset is coming" 5 months before it does, leaving all sort of reasoning behind a business admin's work completely useless.

Now, I'm getting the feeling that everyone thinks I'm in some sort of teamed attack against Era, but that isn't true. I couldn't care less who manages era, I couldn't care less what whoever manages Era thinks about me, I couldn't care less what staff Era gets, and I couldn't care less who thinks they'd be a better manager. The only reason I've stuck with this game for so long is the friends I have and the fun of development. What pisses me off is when my friends start quitting because of the new boredom factor and my developments stop being used and get ditched because someone dislikes something completely irrelevant to them.

TSA, I really hope you realize I'm not trying to attack you, I'm not trying to get you into trouble, and I'm not trying to get you kicked off of manager. I'm just flat out saying what my opinion is, whether you take it or not. Best of luck to whatever you do, whether you choose to listen to a word I spout or pretend you didn't hear me.

[Eranian]

Spikedude, why are you listening to Daz at all?

They aren't getting rid of the WWII guns completely.
Daz doesn't know anything that is happening on the server, he just likes to complain because he's a pom.

War Head has been making an event for a while that will use the WWII guns and a whole bunch of other guns that he created.
There are posts on the unofficial forums about it.

Stop listening to Daz.