GK trials

[ViperZakuto]

then it would turn gk back into the ghost town it was... you guys have never been a trial so you don't know how frustrating all the limitations are.

aparently you don't know how to run a business. you give them some so they get a good taste of it... then they wil buy the whole thing.

so what if there are trials that have 1000 hours and have been trials all there gk life... this trial thing will bring in more money. More people will subscribe than play as trial.

when you limit trials to as much as before, there is nothing that will make them subscribe. trial island was flat out crap. and so was when they were in bomb.

you guys are just jealous that they get to play for free... if you wanna play for free don't upgrade next time... easy as that =P

[Ravenblade1979]

No we aren't jealous but why should they have the same rights as those of us who actually did pay. And yes we were all trials at one point. I didn't start out as gold I was a trial playing on trial island. I know how hard it was but it made me want to get gold.

[ViperZakuto]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

No we aren't jealous but why should they have the same rights as those of us who actually did pay. And yes we were all trials at one point. I didn't start out as gold I was a trial playing on trial island. I know how hard it was but it made me want to get gold.

alright you were not a trial with the new system... so you don't know how troublesome it is... trial island turned away too many people.. wtf is your answer for that kid?

Trials don't have the same rights as gold members. So your argument here is null and void... you just keep blabbing stupid stuff.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

aparently you don't know how to run a business. you give them some so they get a good taste of it... then they wil buy the whole thing.

The idea is to give them access to as much as possible without allowing being a trial to be a substitute for upgrading. It's become a substitute for upgrading so it's necessary to cut back somewhere. I'm thinking a level cap would be a good place to start.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

alright you were not a trial with the new system... so you don't know how troublesome it is... trial island turned away too many people.. wtf is your answer for that kid?

Trials don't have the same rights as gold members. So your argument here is null and void... you just keep blabbing stupid ****.

Wow you failed totally.

1) If a trial can accumulate hours, have stuff saved on their account and build houses I in fact consider them having the same rights as gold members except for a few differences that I do know. (they can't use the trade tables or the ferries)

2) Trial island didn't turn away a lot of people. In fact I remember a lot wanting to upgrade to gold to see what else there were.

3) Watch who you are calling kid. I am probably older then you are.

4) Just because YOU know trials now who will get a gold account doesn't mean they all will. That is an assumption that you will lose. In fact since V5 there are about 10-15 trials that refuse too. They said what everyone else but you have been saying. "Why get a gold account when my stuff gets saved". All they have to do is wait through observation mode and frankly they don't mind that it seems.

So you tell me where I am babbling. In fact I could probably bring in a few older players who would agree with me.

This thing about good business. I can agree with that to a point. What they have now is just a bloody excuse not to upgrade to gold. Tell me if you knew nothing about this game and no one on it and you are in this new trial mode and you learned your stuff is saved and you only have to put up with observer mode for a short time would you upgrade to gold. Think before you answer and be honest.

[ViperZakuto]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Wow you failed totally.

1) If a trial can accumulate hours, have stuff saved on their account and build houses I in fact consider them having the same rights as gold members except for a few differences that I do know. (they can't use the trade tables or the ferries)

2) Trial island didn't turn away a lot of people. In fact I remember a lot wanting to upgrade to gold to see what else there were.

3) Watch who you are calling kid. I am probably older then you are.

4) Just because YOU know trials now who will get a gold account doesn't mean they all will. That is an assumption that you will lose. In fact since V5 there are about 10-15 trials that refuse too. They said what everyone else but you have been saying. "Why get a gold account when my stuff gets saved". All they have to do is wait through observation mode and frankly they don't mind that it seems.

So you tell me where I am babbling. In fact I could probably bring in a few older players who would agree with me.

This thing about good business. I can agree with that to a point. What they have now is just a bloody excuse not to upgrade to gold. Tell me if you knew nothing about this game and no one on it and you are in this new trial mode and you learned your stuff is saved and you only have to put up with observer mode for a short time would you upgrade to gold. Think before you answer and be honest.

well see you said some good points there. =P

alright... there may be 10-15 people who refuse to pay... but how many older players and newer players upgraded because they didn't want restrictions? Can you tell me a number? I bet it is a lot higher than 10-15...

sorry for kid remark... just was frustrated.

it seems that the kinks still need to be worked out. And everybody has a different view on what to do. Don't take away the system... improve it. Look at other games with free accounts. they seem to do really well.

and maybe block trials from anything new that comes to gk. Like your new dungeons. I only hope this idea goes through. they are now blocked from boats, houses, trade tables, limited gui, observer mode every 10-15 mins for 1-7 mins(my longest time was 7, the longer you play the longer the time gets.), forums, and all but 1 kingdom... depends on if you have connections. Thats a good bit of restrictions.

[Ravenblade1979]

Actually the numbers are low on the older players who already quit. but the current ones will upgrade and keep upgrading heh.

[ReBorn_Spirit]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Actually the numbers are low on the older players who already quit. but the current ones will upgrade and keep upgrading heh.

All fine and dandy sure, but what of the VIP accounts that still are around. We going to punish them because they have a VIP account? Maybe they shouldnt get on ferry boats either. VIP means you can run around on the weekends all you want, then when its not a weekend you go back to "trial" mode. Being there are no ferry boats that let trials on, that means your vip is stuck on that stupid island now.

I have about a year of VIP time left, I don't intend to get stuck on my kingdom island when I don't have time to upgrade my gold account again. What might seem like the 6th time so far.

Not to mention I do have a second account that is trial that I use to tinker around with Luec items. Or confuse my friends a bit with XD.

Maybe instead of beating trials over the head with odd limitations, perhaps just don't let them gain experience after level 10. This would promote the idea of actually upgrading, not to mention "trial" really means to try the game out, not to play for free. I can completely agree with not allowing them in global guilds and maybe even limiting them from most of the events. But not letting them see GK for what its supposed to be with the kingdoms is just wrong. If you want them to see what GK is like but no kingdom, let them play offline for a bit to get the idea, whats the point of even taunting them online, we should atleast let them see what its like to be in a kingdom to get them interested. We do have a Graal Kingdoms gold account time to try to sell after all.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

alright... there may be 10-15 people who refuse to pay... but how many older players and newer players upgraded because they didn't want restrictions? Can you tell me a number? I bet it is a lot higher than 10-15...

That wouldn't have upgraded previously? Probably not many.

[ViperZakuto]

Originally Posted by Googi

That wouldn't have upgraded previously? Probably not many.

how many new people do you see on graal? I've seen at least 7 on today that were new and gold, so there you go.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by ReBorn_Spirit

All fine and dandy sure, but what of the VIP accounts that still are around. We going to punish them because they have a VIP account? Maybe they shouldnt get on ferry boats either. VIP means you can run around on the weekends all you want, then when its not a weekend you go back to "trial" mode. Being there are no ferry boats that let trials on, that means your vip is stuck on that stupid island now.

I have about a year of VIP time left, I don't intend to get stuck on my kingdom island when I don't have time to upgrade my gold account again. What might seem like the 6th time so far.

Not to mention I do have a second account that is trial that I use to tinker around with Luec items. Or confuse my friends a bit with XD.

Maybe instead of beating trials over the head with odd limitations, perhaps just don't let them gain experience after level 10. This would promote the idea of actually upgrading, not to mention "trial" really means to try the game out, not to play for free. I can completely agree with not allowing them in global guilds and maybe even limiting them from most of the events. But not letting them see GK for what its supposed to be with the kingdoms is just wrong. If you want them to see what GK is like but no kingdom, let them play offline for a bit to get the idea, whats the point of even taunting them online, we should atleast let them see what its like to be in a kingdom to get them interested. We do have a Graal Kingdoms gold account time to try to sell after all.

Last I checked we were talking about trials since V5 came out. I know about VIP's and they are only allowed to really play fully on the weekends so why did you bring them up?

I don't want trials in events and they can do that. They just get the "upgrade" thing on their screen because they are smart and subscribe through the gui. Having them goto a kingdom island...well w/e I can give that up. Not like there's anything to do besides build and maintain a house.

Yes some are getting sold on the gold accounts but what about those that just don't care too? I think after a certain amount of time a message should appear that the account is limited to bomboria and everything said trial got is locked for X amount of days so they best upgrade.

What I am sick of is this babying. Oh let them upgrade when they want. yeah sure then something like yesterday happens. What I thought was a gold account was selling a RoT and I offered 25 dias on the trade tables and then the person is telling me he's a trial. Oh that made me very angry.

If anything step 1 should be a tag thats automatically added no matter what they change their nickname too. Something like (Guest). That way then can be identified. I for one am sick of having to continue to look at profiles to see who is gold and who isn't.

[ViperZakuto]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

If anything step 1 should be a tag thats automatically added no matter what they change their nickname too. Something like (Guest). That way then can be identified. I for one am sick of having to continue to look at profiles to see who is gold and who isn't.

this is the reason bjorn added my idea of the upgradestatus in the profile... just right click the person or the name on playerlist and if they are trial... it will say trial

[ReBorn_Spirit]

Trials not being allowed to kingdoms has its own impact to the actual people that play the server. The initial request was actaully to fix many of the bugs about the trials being on GK. Was not meant to get more limitations or to argue about what they should or should not be able to do.

All I wanted was to remove the annoying hassle of returning trials to main through the dungeon, simply allowing the ferry boats was the thing I was getting at. Not about how they shouldnt be able to get to kingdom, but how they could. If you really want to limit that, FINE, let them use the ferry only once a day. -_- Just make sure the stupid ferry doesnt accidentally drop them off on the dock before their trip begins like I've seen a few hundred times on my own gold account.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

how many new people do you see on graal? I've seen at least 7 on today that were new and gold, so there you go.

There were new golds every day before v5 too.

[ViperZakuto]

Originally Posted by Googi

There were new golds every day before v5 too.

I'm talking about people with 0-5 hours

[Googi]

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

I'm talking about people with 0-5 hours

So am I?

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

this is the reason bjorn added my idea of the upgradestatus in the profile... just right click the person or the name on playerlist and if they are trial... it will say trial

Exactly my idea was to eliminate the need to look at their profile and this isn't anything new. You have always been able to see their status via the profile.

[ViperZakuto]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Exactly my idea was to eliminate the need to look at their profile and this isn't anything new. You have always been able to see their status via the profile.

it is that hard to right click?

refer to your post that you posted 3 years ago.

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...t=trial&page=2

just read the second post and what bjorn said to me. =P I also suggested making there names a certain color.

Bjorn is commenting me saying i like that idea. A few days later... it was added. I do not... I repeat DO NOT take credit for anything that I don't do... but i like credit for my ideas that get added.

Originally Posted by Googi

So am I?

v5 came out at least a month ago... i seriously doubt that many, if not any, of those people have 5 hours or less... let me buy this new game to play it 5 hours then quit for a month x.x

[Googi]

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

v5 came out at least a month ago... i seriously doubt that many, if not any, of those people have 5 hours or less... let me buy this new game to play it 5 hours then quit for a month x.x

I'm saying that new players were still signing up and upgrading before v5, not that those same players are still new.

[ViperZakuto]

ok look at how many people upgraded to gold in the first month of v5. look at the last month of 4v for people who upgraded to gold. compare those numbers for me someone. then we will have our answer.

[Ravenblade1979]

god this is just stupid now.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

ok look at how many people upgraded to gold in the first month of v5. look at the last month of 4v for people who upgraded to gold. compare those numbers for me someone. then we will have our answer.

They're pretty much the same.

[ViperZakuto]

Originally Posted by Googi

They're pretty much the same.

and you know this how? please provide reliable sources.

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

god this is just stupid now.

well i'm gonna let my voice be heard because I think this new trial thing is good for the whole of gk. Look into the future. If the stuff that people worked on ever gets put in gk. then it will be even better. I remember Malinko telling me he finished all them new maps he was working on for gk... but nobody ever put them in??? why is most stuff that is made for gk never put in... like the current kingdom items system.. it seems to work right on debug, or at least it used to.

You guys are trying to get rid of the new trial system.. and i protest it what is wrong with that?

[Twinny]

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

and you know this how? please provide reliable sources.

They are as intangible as your sources

[Googi]

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

and you know this how? please provide reliable sources.

I know because I keep an eye on new players coming into the server and whether or not they're trial or gold. Obviously the only ones capable of keeping an actual accurate record of new subscriptions is the top Graal administration themselves, and they don't release the records (and you already knew this). However, that there has been no substantial increase in new gold players can be pretty much inferred from the failure of the server playercount to rise and the pretty dismal (often 50/50 or even higher) trial/gold playercount split on the server.

[ViperZakuto]

Originally Posted by Googi

I know because I keep an eye on new players coming into the server and whether or not they're trial or gold. Obviously the only ones capable of keeping an actual accurate record of new subscriptions is the top Graal administration themselves, and they don't release the records (and you already knew this). However, that there has been no substantial increase in new gold players can be pretty much inferred from the failure of the server playercount to rise and the pretty dismal (often 50/50 or even higher) trial/gold playercount split on the server.

ok then they need to release more items for more players... aparently it isn't hurting the cashflow at all as you said it's about the same... give or take a few.

Originally Posted by Twinny

They are as intangible as your sources

I was just making sure he wasn't pulling this out of his ass. lol He gave a good explanation. If he didn't know what he was talking about he wouldn't have given as detailed of info. Which makes it believable... but not fact.

[Ravenblade1979]

Umm no we aren't wanting to out them but I for one am sick of them having the ability to store stuff on their account and accumulate hours. Yes while I have admitted that YOU know trials who have upgraded there is a ton who don't want too. Plain and simple. I just want trials back to the way they were or something stricter put in place.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

ok then they need to release more items for more players... aparently it isn't hurting the cashflow at all as you said it's about the same... give or take a few.

If people are just playing as trials instead of upgrading, then cash flow is less than it potentially could be.

[ViperZakuto]

Originally Posted by Googi

If people are just playing as trials instead of upgrading, then cash flow is less than it potentially could be.

well those people would "potentially" not be playing if they couldn't save. So more than likeley they would not have subscribed anyways...

oh yeah look at your 50/50 ratio now lol it is 1/6 of the player are trial... not 1/2... It has been this way for about 2 days now hmmmm.

Since when does 1/6 equal 1/2? lol

[Googi]

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

well those people would "potentially" not be playing if they couldn't save. So more than likeley they would not have subscribed anyways...

Them not playing is better than them playing just as trials. Trials playing costs Graal money due to bandwidth consumption.

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

It has been this way for about 2 days now hmmmm.

Wrong. I checked yesterday and it was about 50/50. Generally speaking, the trial/gold ratio is low when the playercount is low and high when the playercount is 30+.

[ViperZakuto]

Originally Posted by Googi

Them not playing is better than them playing just as trials. Trials playing costs Graal money due to bandwidth consumption.



Wrong. I checked yesterday and it was about 50/50. Generally speaking, the trial/gold ratio is low when the playercount is low and high when the playercount is 30+.

just because there is 50 percent of the people on that are trial at one point in time... does not mean that all of that percent is not gonna upgrade...

GK is only allowed so much bandwith for so many dollars. it's not like he has to pay more when there are 30 people on, then when there is 5 people on. When you pay for bandwith you don't pay as you go. you buy a maximum... and GK can hold 100+ people.. I haven't seen 100+ people on sice jagen and lance got fired.

so your wrong! until we get enough beople to reach the maximum bandwith... then it costs him nothing...

Edit** The playercount was at 23. there was still only a 21 percent ratio of trial/gold. still waiting to see 50 percent.

[seanthien]

I don't even need to read the damn thread. V5 With the whole trial and ''observer'' stuff was bull, and raped server populations in my opinion.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

just because there is 50 percent of the people on that are trial at one point in time... does not mean that all of that percent is not gonna upgrade...

I'm not saying this. I've said that people are upgrading. We should get more to upgrade by giving them incentives to do so by doing things like placing an exp cap on trials.

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

GK is only allowed so much bandwith for so many dollars. it's not like he has to pay more when there are 30 people on, then when there is 5 people on. When you pay for bandwith you don't pay as you go. you buy a maximum... and GK can hold 100+ people.. I haven't seen 100+ people on sice jagen and lance got fired.

You're referring to bandwidth in terms of maximum data transfer speed, I'm referring to it in terms of total allowed data transfer amount. Generally you buy a fixed amount of this as well and so you have to pay for it even if you don't use all of it, but (if you're smart) you try to avoid buying much more than you think you're likely to need. Unixmad has cited bandwidth costs as being a problem.

[ViperZakuto]

Originally Posted by Googi

I'm not saying this. I've said that people are upgrading. We should get more to upgrade by giving them incentives to do so by doing things like placing an exp cap on trials.

must have missed you saying this. sorry if i did.

I agree with putting a cap on lvl for trials. that would solve a lot. lets say lvl 20? also put a cap of lvl 5 or whatever on each individual stat.

also would gold members who transfer to trial get dropped back down to cap? maybe make there cap a few lvls higher if possible. and if you were gold/vip a few lvls more than gold?

If that was possible that would satisfy a lot of people.

[zokemon]

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

must have missed you saying this. sorry if i did.

I agree with putting a cap on lvl for trials. that would solve a lot. lets say lvl 20? also put a cap of lvl 5 or whatever on each individual stat.

also would gold members who transfer to trial get dropped back down to cap? maybe make there cap a few lvls higher if possible. and if you were gold/vip a few lvls more than gold?

If that was possible that would satisfy a lot of people.

Lose exp because your subscription expires?

[Ravenblade1979]

Ok here's the deal and suprisingly enough Viper agrees with me I think.

Limit them to main.
Level cap them

now this stuff is all me:

I am still iffy with the whole item storeage thing because they can still scam.
put some type of tag at the end letting people know that they are (Guest) or (Trial). I know I sound lazy but it gets annoying after a while having to click on profile to see if they gold or not.

[ViperZakuto]

Originally Posted by zokemon

Lose exp because your subscription expires?

yes lose the exp... but when you reupgrade the stats you had will return =)