GK trials
 

So uhm, whats the deal? I report a bug only to find out that you simply dont fix it, but instead don't allow trials to do that.

Maps and boats are things that should have been fixed but were not, instead you just limited their use to non trials. If this is the case I might as well just live with the bugs, as I'd rather not limit trials anymore...

I don't see how they're being more limited on GK when they're actually getting saved.

I reported that they got stuck in maps when the map ended while they were in observer mode. Now they cannot use maps.

Observer mode got them stuck in the water because it froze their character while driving a boat, or just standing on them. Well as nice as that wasnt, they can't even get on a boat now. It wouldnt even put them into the cargo hold, or if on the ferry wouldnt wait until they got off. So now they have to use dungeons now which take hours to map at their normal speed.

Then the observer mode was playing with the trade tables, that too was removed from their list of things to do. SO now every day I hear about these "new people" being ripped off and scammed because they cannot use the tables.

Also a new bug revealed itself, trials crafting iron items in a blacksmith actually lose their iron that is in their pliers, and time waisted from burning coal that isnt in use because they are forced to wait.

In short, GK just isnt a place for observer mode until these issues get resolved, NOT LIMITED(restricted)!

Either its going to be all fixed soon, or there just won't be trials anymore on GK at this rate. I would offer to help fix these things but I think Stefan and/or Bjorn are busy with other things. Since these bugs seem to do more damage being reported I should probably delete this post too, to prevent someone restricting them further. Trying to advertise a good game so you can get customers, not showing them how much you forgot to fix when you released the system.

I would propose that a flag be added to the server that will not allow observer mode to take place when trials are doing things like crafting / baking, riding a ferry, mapping. Just simple take the time they have put the observer mode on pause onto their waiting time, and keep that in record so they can't just close the game and relaunch it to avoid the excese time they build up.

The limitations of not using ships and trade tables is not new, it was there long time ago. Can check if it's causing problems though.

Observer mode should simple let them cancel the trade or put them into cargo hold for the worst case scenario. The best possible solution might be to put a built in pause feature for a limited amount of time so they can complete this and then server their observer time.

Trials shouldn't be able to leave main islands. I every day get requests from trials to summon them back from any kingdom.

Send them my way, I'll take em back to main.
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Or you can show them those crazy forum maps Googi posted... Or maybe let them take the ferry...

Besides, it would be impossible for people like John to play and run their kingdom in trial mode if they couldnt even get to their kingdom, or even for trials in kingdoms to have a house. Unless you want houses on main, the ferry is the only vialable option. They have to store things too just like we do.

Actually I agree with sam. Keep them on main. its going to come down to building houses next and storing stuff so they don't have too upgrade to gold. I would say let them run on main having fun. Hopefully people get smarter about giving them items to try and stuff. If too much more is given to them to be able to do they will never get gold and we all know that.

Besides, there's not really much to do in a kingdom besides houses. Just play the game with your stuff like I do :D

This all might change though soon enough. Especially if we are to ever go for kingdom specific items or to expand GK to be more appealing.

Sounds like there needs to be a script function made for the player going into observer mode.

Quite right, that is what needs to be done.
However the rest is mostly just opinion.

-.- great kingdom specific items which means they will be begging next to get into a kingdom just to get the items. Like we really need that crap.

As far as i know every kindom leader has striked rules not to add triel accounts.

Trial island would be so hard to bring back, right?

trial island would be simple to bring back.

Felix they would still beg regardless

Actually yes. The even begged eachother for items on trial island. Actually nothing that just appered on main, it just moved to the main island.

Sam said it, trials get stuck too much on trial island.

In my opinion this is bad for business because they will probably get fed up and quit if they don't find a way back. I went 1.5 through zormite's dungeon and it took me an estimated 6 hours to map it all out.

that would seem to be causing problems. you should let them take the ferry for 5 plat =P that is all i ask.

Forest rules
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=67053
**First Amendment to correct problems and clarify rights, is stated that Trials MAY join but only as a civillian rank. This is not only to promote Forest's growth as a nation, but to promote GK's growth as well.

It would be advisable for others to follow in this philosophy if we are to try and keep Graal alive.

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This is also why I believe trials should be able to use the ferry boats as well. I do not believe in hours or just levels alone for people getting ranks. Their own personality and wisdom of which can be seen is a much more acurrate medium to cast judgement on.

Hmm nice Dayaa but you just gave them their first reason not to really get a gold account. Now you have given them the ability to join forest and get a rank. I know your trying to promote GK and get them more interested but what makes you think 50-75% of these trials really want to get a gold account. Now they can get items stored on their account, can join forest apparently. Next will be houses you watch.

Actually.. This allows them to obtain only the first rank, nothing more as they cannot recieve promotions. They simply get to see what a kingdom is about and may even build a house.. after running through the dungeon a few times right now.. they start to complain about that.

You seem to forget what the current limitations are meant to do to any player. Its supposed to make them want a gold account so they don't have to deal with the limitations anymore. Not to mention the fact that they can actaully play GK without having to worry about how evil some people can be.

Building a house should not be possible for trials though, will "fix" that

Yeah true Dayaa but do you really think those limitations will stop anyone?

Are you going to stop them building a house or picking up the key? because they could just buy a house from a player.

oooh and theres the grim reality. One day i did see a door key being passed around like nothing and a trial ended up getting it.

So exactly what part of making a guest account was a good thing Stefan? Just asking here to try to understand the logical thinking behind it besides tempting them more to get a gold account which generally don't seem to be working.

Why get a gold account when observer mode will kick you back to gold mode so you can use your saved items. Seems not really too tempting if I was new and knew that I could use my items again.

I would say if you really want them to get that gold account to actually have observer mode stick and a message saying that they have X amount of time to upgrade to gold or they lose all items that are being saved for them.

Also why did you take away the vip subscribe?

you act like trials are running around all over graal playing for 100's of hours... I reupgraded, john re upgraded, and almost every person i know that came back and said wow, I got all my stuff... and it's now only $24 Dollars a year. So they Reupgraded thats a hgood bit of cash for them. If they would have never saw the items they had... then they wouldn't have reupgraded. they would just come and "visit" which makes graal no money

you act like every trial never upgrades... Sometimes they don't... but they will get more people to subscribe than play their whole gk life as a trial. This system has brought new people in to graal... that is what Stefan wants i assume... more people = more money.

and don't tell me there all trials... because all the new trials i see never have over 200 hours. all the ones with over 200 hours are people that played b4. and kid i might not be on here as much as you... but i'm on enough to know who is who.

Don't know about you guys, but I see more people wanting to upgrade for a server that's active than a dead server...this is just making GK more alive.

what about people who already have houses? will there key just disappear? if they drop it they won't be able to pick it back up.

I upgraded for gk. gk owns all over servers. thats all there is too it. there is really nothing to do but pk on all other servers. so they SUCK imho

No, GK sucks. :mad:

All you can do on GK is kill lords. Yeah...... boring.

and do maps, pk people if they on bmode, lame afk people...

there is lots to do and more coming.

There's the problem

Too late, several trials allready have a house on forest. I'm sure I can always build them one for them if your going to "FIX" it -_-.

Instead of killing trials even more, lets fix some of the bugs and stupid little things on GK that have been around for years.

GK only sucks if you abuse every last bug it has. You may as well go down to walmart, buy a new game and then before you even install it, go look up the cheat codes and every other hack so you can beat it in 3 seconds flat. Nice world record...

yeah or if ya usd to get your items...

I like how you use sarcasm in EVERY part of your post
AMEN
And Trade! don't forget trading!!!
let's see all the things to do on GK

• Lord Hunt
• PK Bmoders(10% of GK)
• Trade
• Maps
• Lame

why would anyone WANT to abuse it's bugs, if I recall, I think there's only level hacks, and who wants to lvl? a lvl 1 everything could beat a lvl 107 everything if they had better armor/weapons.
like any new player that doesn't have connections and wants to play longer than a month or two

there was no sarcasm =/

There's starting to be trials who have more than a hundred hours of online time. Clearly people are willing to play the server as trials as an alternative to upgrading, which probably means that they're allowed to do too much.

Haven't abused a bug to date. I barely play it because it's just so boring. Maybe with all the trials around I'll consider playing it again, since it wouldn't be such a damn ghost town.

A clear example of why we need to majorly limit them again.