So?

[Aknts]

So what is happening with this?

[maximus_asinus]

It's dead, Jim

[Aknts]

Well that sucks.

[Kamaeru]

I still believe. That's why I'm representing Zalactics errwhere I go.

Really though I was working with one or two other talented individuals on this again a year ago (Skyld), and out of nowhere our rights were taken overnight without any reason. MysticDragon knows something about it, and we called him on the forums for it, but he refuses to talk.

[Crono]

rip

[fowlplay4]

[kia345]

your mouse tripped over the network cable while playing mario kart and discussing the price of bread

[scriptless]

Originally Posted by kia345

your mouse tripped over the network cable while playing mario kart and discussing the price of bread

Fun game. I got both Mario Kart 7 on the 3DS and the Mario Kart 8 for Wii U. Pretty solid games. Hail the upcoming Nintendo NX tho.

Very doubtful we will ever see 2k1 again.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by kia345

your mouse tripped over the network cable while playing mario kart and discussing the price of bread

and then he spell pizza on the switch xD

[Kamaeru]

Originally Posted by scriptless

Fun game. I got both Mario Kart 7 on the 3DS and the Mario Kart 8 for Wii U. Pretty solid games. Hail the upcoming Nintendo NX tho.

Very doubtful we will ever see 2k1 again.

Do you have Splatoon? Holy crap it's the best online game I've ever played besides Graal2001.

[fowlplay4]

Originally Posted by Crono

and then he spell pizza on the switch xD

more like graal2kxD!!!

[Crono]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

more like graal2kxD!!!

Dx!!!!

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Crono

and then he spell pizza on the switch xD

shoot I knew pizza fit in there somewhere

[scriptless]

Originally Posted by Kamaeru

Do you have Splatoon? Holy crap it's the best online game I've ever played besides Graal2001.

Yeah I do have it. It definitely is amazing. Something to look forward to a sequel on the NX or something for sure. But I don't really play my home console as much as my 3DS.

[Conqueror]

Originally Posted by Kamaeru

Do you have Splatoon?

Originally Posted by scriptless

Yeah I do have it. It definitely is amazing.

Splatoon's pretty fun! Though I wish they would adapt Mario Kart's way of how maps are selected in online play. Alternating between 2-3 maps becomes tedious.

I've been playing Xenoblade Chronicles X, and it's pretty awesome.

[Sparkplug]

bring it back

I'm happy to help where I can from a code perspective if there is any hope left.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Sparkplug

bring it back

I'm happy to help where I can from a code perspective if there is any hope left.

[Kamaeru]

Originally Posted by Sparkplug

bring it back

I'm happy to help where I can from a code perspective if there is any hope left.

Last I checked the server was in 75% working order. The main problem was that so many things were scripted in older Gscript language, and trying to fix or update one thing often requires you to fix and update another thing.

Somebody get spark some RC access pronto.

[Sparkplug]

I'd be down to tinker and help if that is actually a possibility. I'm no pro in gscript but coding is coding and sure I'm sure I could make a difference.

If anyone has power to make it happen I am happy to take a look! PM me / message here and we can figure it out

[Matman58]

I still hold out random hope this server would return. *sigh*

Btw a lot of veteran graalians in this thread.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Matman58

I still hold out random hope this server would return. *sigh*

[Curt1zzle]

Not back yet? Welp, cya in another 5 years when I check again.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Curt1zzle

Not back yet? Welp, cya in another 5 years when I check again.

[Matman58]

So whoever owns G2K1 why not just open the server up? I mean honestly it sitting in the shadows with no one to be able to connect and from what I hear most systems still work fine, why would it hurt to have it accessible even if it nevers goes back on the server list? I mean honestly you would probably bring a lot of the old playerbase out of hiding to see it alive and functioning again.

I mean overall my opinion means nothing, but really I see allowing us to play it again causing no harm.

One can only dream I guess...

[Kamaeru]

I finally got a response from MysticalDragon today.

I'm not into reviving servers.

Thoughts?

In my opinion it's an irrelevant conclusion because nobody asked him to develop it (in fact we'd be happy if you didn't touch it..)

[ffcmike]

How come he was in to reviving Delteria? Or is not being in to reviving servers only a recent development?

[Kamaeru]

Even worse, why was he sending me forum PMs asking me to be the lead developer? He gave me RC access with full rights and told me I had the job if I wanted it, and I never even logged into Delteria once because I was simply not interested.

Originally Posted by MysticalDragon;

I set you up with Level 4 rc to run the team if interested (Delteria iPhone)

Later he messaged me with this gem:

Originally Posted by MysticalDragon;

I said you have a choice, GK OR Delteria.

All I want to do is fix and open Graal2001, I don't see what's so controversial about it especially after he was trying to hand me every failed server he could give RC access to just months previously.

[ffcmike]

He said that he wants UN to be left open so that oldbies can still enjoy it. How come the same principle can't be applied to Graal 2001?

[Kamaeru]

Now he says someone else is running Graal2001, but he won't tell me who it is. My guess is Rufus, the single individual who hates Graal2001 so much that he for some reason has been appointed manager in the past. He literally told me that his goal in controlling Graal2001 is to make sure no one ever gets to play it because he hates the server. I personally wonder how a newbie that never played Graal2001 is even able to articulate an opinion on the matter (better yet manage the server).

I don't see what's so hard about randomly taking that person's rights on Graal2001 away from them with no warning or reason, I mean they had no problem doing that to Skyld and myself.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Kamaeru

Now he says someone else is running Graal2001, but he won't tell me who it is. My guess is Rufus, the single individual who hates Graal2001 so much that he for some reason has been appointed manager in the past. He literally told me that his goal in controlling Graal2001 is to make sure no one ever gets to play it because he hates the server. I personally wonder how a newbie that never played Graal2001 is even able to articulate an opinion on the matter (better yet manage the server).

I don't see what's so hard about randomly taking that person's rights on Graal2001 away from them with no warning or reason, I mean they had no problem doing that to Skyld and myself.

I understand that you're struggling to gain traction on a revival, but why lie? I have never ever said to you "[my] goal in controlling Graal2001 is to make sure no one ever gets to play it because [I] hate the server."

[Kamaeru]

Originally Posted by Rufus

I have never ever said to you "[my] goal in controlling Graal2001 is to make sure no one ever gets to play it because [I] hate the server."

You absolutely did say that to me. You told me you had no intention of ever releasing it. The chances I will find AIM logs from 2008 are null, but you absolutely said some hateful vitriolic things about Graal2001 and it's demonstrable that you have no clue how to do the work to fix it. You are the person who needs to stop lying and misrepresenting the Graal community here, unless you're experiencing amnesia.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Kamaeru

You absolutely did say that to me. You told me you had no intention of ever releasing it. The chances I will find AIM logs from 2008 are null, but you absolutely said some hateful vitriolic things about Graal2001 and it's demonstrable that you have no clue how to do the work to fix it.

30 October 2009

You (16:01:28): hi rufus
Me (16:01:47): hi
You (16:02:49): do you still hold a death grip on all that is good?
Me (16:02:56): I guess
You (16:03:01): damn
You (16:03:58): let go you foolish vagabond
You (16:04:04): damn you
Me (16:04:19): Nope, some idiot might get a hold of it and start flooding the levels with random tiles.
You (16:04:36): yeah dude
You (16:04:59): except that never happened before with all the idiots preceding your own idiocy
Me (16:05:12): What does that even mean?
You (16:05:31): i can think of people on graal who are trustable enough to ensure that all the levels won't be flooded with random tiles
Me (16:05:51): Whom?
You (16:05:55): everyone on graal but you like graal2001
You (16:05:58): *likes
Me (16:06:09): Right, I totally dislike the server.
You (16:06:12): you seem to be the only one with malicious intentions
Me (16:06:25): Yes, malicious intentions in developing it.

[Kamaeru]

Originally Posted by Rufus

30 October 2009

That's not even me. You apparently don't even know who I am. Even if it was, nice job demonstrating your aptitude at using the cherry-picking fallacy, but you haven't proven any point here. How about the full chat logs?

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Kamaeru

That's not even me. You apparently don't even know who I am. Even if it was, nice job demonstrating your aptitude at using the cherry-picking fallacy, but you haven't proven any point here. How about the full chat logs?

If psilocybinpof isn't your AIM then nevermind, I apologize. That's the only log I have.

[Kamaeru]

Originally Posted by Rufus

If psilocybinpof isn't your AIM then nevermind, I apologize. That's the only log I have.

Yeah that's not me, but it is hilarious. My main inquiry is to why the rights have been taken away from myself and Skyld? We are both Graal2001 developers from the old days and we were in the middle of working on the server when out of nowhere our rights were taken away in the middle of the night with no explanation. We are fully capable of doing the job so it is utterly baffling that our rights were taken away.

I've talked with Skyld about it and neither of us know what's going on. No one contacted either of us. Is it so much to ask for a simple explanation?

[Kamaeru]

...

*crickets chirping*

[Rufus]

Well since you've baited me this far, I will explain what I am aware of. Stefan had the intention of releasing Graal2001 on Classic iPhone as a map that people could play on. I don't think it went very far, even though the content was uploaded onto the server. However, things unique to Graal2001 such as the hats, draisine, railroads, instruments, and areas such as the chair lift and horse race were released on Classic iPhone and bomies were released on Zone iPhone.

Dusty and I started working on Classic iPhone, didn't like how Graal2001's content was being released on the server, and started to pursue something more along the lines of old Classic. Someone outside of the team suggested the idea that Graal2001 and its content should be released as its own iPhone server. Classic iPhone was getting a huge playercount and the talks about splitting the server were around. Stefan liked the idea of linking the two, but having Graal2001 as its own thing, and it was given its own iPhone server. Stefan wanted to convert things and release it straight away, but I wasn't convinced that this would work as he had released all of Graal2001's best content to other servers, and believed it needed something more. Needless to say, it was pursued for about a month before it fizzed out. A few months later Skyld showed interest in taking Graal2001 to iPhone and was told to contact me. I didn't think our visions would match, we didn't really talk about it and nothing came of that. A year or so later the iPhone server was given to a different project.

So no, I am not managing the server nor do I have control over it. The person you need to contact with regards to reviving it is most likely Unixmad. There may be plans to pursue Graal2001 for iPhone in the future, but if there is it is not something I am currently involved in.

[Kamaeru]

Sounds like a whole lot of derp has been going on. I'll do my best to get to the bottom of this iration. Luckily the worst case scenario has been avoided thus far (iPhone Graal2001, does anyone actually want this?). I personally am not a fan of Apple products so I'm gonna have to pass on that idea, we only want Graal2001 to be open and available to PC Graal players as far as my concern extends. The limitations of the iPhone platform would severely handicap the strengths of Graal2001's gameplay to the point where the game might actually be rendered unplayable.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Kamaeru

Sound like a whole lot of derp has been going on. I'll do my best to get to the bottom of this iration. Luckily the worst case scenario has been avoided thus far (iPhone Graal2001, does anyone actually want this?). I personally am not a fan of Apple products so I'm gonna have to pass on that idea, we only want Graal2001 to be open and available to PC Graal players as far as my concern extends. The limitations of the iPhone platform would severely handicap the strengths of Graal2001's gameplay to the point where the game might actually be rendered unplayable.

If you are looking for a revival of Graal2001 then iPhone is the only route really.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Kamaeru

Sound like a whole lot of derp has been going on. I'll do my best to get to the bottom of this iration. Luckily the worst case scenario has been avoided thus far (iPhone Graal2001, does anyone actually want this?).

Other than the thousands of daily players contrast to the handful on PC? Nah... no one wants that.

Originally Posted by Kamaeru

I personally am not a fan of Apple products so I'm gonna have to pass on that idea

If only it were also available on Android and Flash as well...

Originally Posted by Kamaeru

we only want Graal2001 to be open and available to PC Graal players as far as my concern extends.

How selfish of you. You can't say you want the best for the server when you exclude the one way to actually get a thriving experience instead of a stagnating one, simply because of your own personal bias.

Originally Posted by Kamaeru

The limitations of the iPhone platform would severely handicap the strengths of Graal2001's gameplay to the point where the game might actually be rendered unplayable.

What limitations would those be?