Open Discussion: Attack Types and the Future of PVP

[Conqueror]

d00d. How's this turned into a "fix bile" thread? That's not even the issue, but I guess I'll speak my thoughts.

Dripz- The problem isn't that Bile needs its poison resist back, the problem is poison is deadly overpowered. This has been agreed upon by most players over the years, but never was implemented since there's always been issues with trying to recode the framework of GK. Only recently has there been any sort of hope due to Cubes' genius.

I know you personally think that poison is fine how it is, and that giving bile poison resist back is a great idea. But I'd have to disagree, as this would only be a band-aid to a much bigger problem (balancing poison with the effects of other Gods). Refer back to my post in this thread for my view on poison.

Sean- Though poorly executed maybe, I would have to agree with a few things DripZ has said about our now "mostly" useless Bile. Yes, there are elements of Bile that still have PvP advantages, but for the most part-- Bile has always been an "all-around/defensive" God.

And since poison resist/fear resist have been removed from us, we really aren't all that defensive anymore; meaning we fall just as hard against Poison as any other god does (minus Ogma). However, I don't support DripZ's view that we need poison resist back (as I said, my issue lies with poison itself). It wouldn't make much sense to have as much poison resist as the "Poison God".

Pros of Bile

- Cause Many Wounds
- Immune to Leprosy
- 100 Depletion
- Red & Black Death
- Slight Cold resist (+ More Cold Resist through Holy Possession)
- Slight Poison resist & Fear resist
- Holy Po + Axe of slay undead for easy leveling

Cons of Bile

- Extreme dmg dealt by Messiah Bow (+ Balor blessing for Bile domination)
- Extreme dmg dealt by Holy Word (One-hit when dealt by Brigid caster)
- Cause Many Wounds & Diseases easily silenced through Brigid's Curse
- Enemy players can become immune to red & black death
- No "working" PvP attacktype on weapons or through holy possession (life stealing fix please)

DripZ's point is that Gov/Ogma users do have a pretty nice benefit of having 1 of the 2 major attacktypes accessible through a holy possession. Creating attacktype combinations that will never be accessible by players who don't follow Ogma/Govannon. (Example: Striker of Grigori of Balor +7 [attacktype: physical, confusion, weaponmagic, fear, and poison through Holy P]) And while a good rebuttal might be that you could say this about "any God", it doesn't work in Bile's case since we don't have any sort of PvP attacktype to boast.

But once again, this goes back to the point that if poison was balanced to be as much of an annoyance as other effects-- this wouldn't be considered all that great of an advantage.

TLDR: Bile's poison resist is fine, fix poison please.