this needs to be discussed

[Draenin]

Originally Posted by Hiro

honestly, it's developers not doing anything, and the upper tier of graal staff that are killing graal

You need to realize that that the higher-ups have left it mostly in our hands. They can't swoop down and make miracles every day for every server.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by Draenin

You need to realize that that the higher-ups have left it mostly in our hands. They can't swoop down and make miracles every day for every server.

hence the purpose of this thread?

[Draenin]

Originally Posted by Hiro

hence the purpose of this thread?

Yeah, see, that's the problem. You spend your days waiting for miracles to happen, and it's not their job to do your work for you.

You need to realize that, despite the fact that you pay to play, Graal Staff owes you nothing. People pay for development space (servers) and to be able to interact with the work of others. That, if you ask me, should be enough. Updates will come when they can. The best anyone can do is make good use of what they've got.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Draenin

Yeah, see, that's the problem. You spend your days waiting for miracles to happen, and it's not their job to do your work for you.

You need to realize that, despite the fact that you pay to play, Graal Staff owes you nothing. People pay for development space (servers) and to be able to interact with the work of others. That, if you ask me, should be enough. Updates will come when they can. The best anyone can do is make good use of what they've got.

I wonder why successful games don't adopt such a foolproof system.

[Draenin]

Originally Posted by Rufus

I wonder why successful games don't adopt such a foolproof system.

Sandbox games like SL don't cater to individual user 'wants' either. They are focused on their own projects, and leave most of the in-game content up to their players.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by Draenin

Yeah, see, that's the problem. You spend your days waiting for miracles to happen, and it's not their job to do your work for you.

You need to realize that, despite the fact that you pay to play, Graal Staff owes you nothing. People pay for development space (servers) and to be able to interact with the work of others. That, if you ask me, should be enough. Updates will come when they can. The best anyone can do is make good use of what they've got.

i've stated several times that i am not a developer. i, personally, cannot develop. i can't do it. i don't know how many times i need to say this: I AM NOT A DEVELOPER i am a player. i play graal for it's video game aspect, not it's developing platform

that said, how do you expect graal staff to owe us nothing? the game is in our hands, and the game is dying. when the game was in the hands of the creator, it flourished. people can pay all they want for server support and use of graal's game engine, and yes updates will eventually come. but the updates are not what we want. the servers being made are pathetic compared to what has been made in the past - and they were made with less up-to-date material no less! you're saying it's fine if the owners of their game let it die, and i agree. but if it's in our hands to do something, and we do nothing, then we are no better than the owners

i made this thread because i know that we are on our own. it's been this way for awhile, and it's about time we started acting like it. we need to organize, we need to prepare, and we need to take action. don't say that people like myself, who are trying to get people who CAN do something to get into action, are the "cancer killing graal" because i'm currently doing more to "save graal" than you are - a developer! stop spouting your self-righteous bull**** and "take a step back for a moment" pessimism. if it's up to us, then lets get something done (and i mean that in the most friendly-smiling optimistic way i possibly can, because if nothing happens then ****s done, we might as well stop posting altogether)

[Switch]

Originally Posted by Hiro

the very lack of seriousness by certain members of the forum also adds to this problem. it discredits the rest of us who can take it seriously, since then the "thread is ruined"

If you're talking about my revolt idea, I am completely serious.

Originally Posted by Draenin

You need to realize that that the higher-ups have left it mostly in our hands. They can't swoop down and make miracles every day for every server.

No one wants them to make a miracle, we want them to do something to better THEIR game. I'm pretty sure we can say the players have done a lot more work than the higher-ups have, and quite fed up with having to do every bit (besides a few ****ty client updates) of work for them.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by Switch

If you're talking about my revolt idea, I am completely serious.


No one wants them to make a miracle, we want them to do something to better THEIR game. I'm pretty sure we can say the players have done a lot more work than the higher-ups have, and quite fed up with having to do every bit (besides a few ****ty client updates) of work for them.

i wasn't referring to you, but in all honesty a revolt of that kind is unrealistic. again - how do we get other people to join in?

and technically, the owners actually created the game and then warped it to work with the torque engine. that is a big feat, but in terms of actual content i will completely agree with you

[Switch]

and technically, the owners actually created the game and then warped it to work with the torque engine. that is a big feat, but in terms of actual content i will completely agree with you

That has to do with client updates, and some server updates I guess, which are still mediocre compared to some of the stuff we make.