Copyrighted Music

[LoneAngelIbesu]

Originally Posted by thesmoothcriminal

The music becomes part of the product and the product is bought. If the RIAA has a problem with second life doing it then graal does.

Your argument would never hold up in court. First of all, GraalOnline isn't authorizing the music being on the server. Second of all, nobody is making any money off of the music, since the music isn't being used in an advertising manner. Even if it is against copyright law, sueing a company over a 12 year old uploading an MP3, which is nearly impossible on Graal, due to filesize limitations, simply wouldn't hold up in court, especially since the GraalOnline TOS says that they hold no responsibility if you upload illegal material (at least, there was the last time I checked it). Thirdly, streaming is legal. That's why websites that stream illegal movies, but don't host them, rarely get taken down. The only illegal party in streaming is the party that is actually hosting

[thesmoothcriminal]

Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

Your argument would never hold up in court. First of all, GraalOnline isn't authorizing the music being on the server.

Im talking about liability for CJ. Im not arguing that it would hold up in court but it would. Copyright peoples/ RIAA dont care whether its authorized or not! if its there its there

Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

Second of all, nobody is making any money off of the music, since the music isn't being used in an advertising manner. Even if it is against copyright law, sueing a company over a 12 year old uploading an MP3, which is nearly impossible on Graal, due to filesize limitations, simply wouldn't hold up in court, especially since the GraalOnline TOS says that they hold no responsibility if you upload illegal material (at least, there was the last time I checked it).

This will simply if for you. Graal = commercial. Music in graal = used for commercial purpose. Using music for commercial purpose = violation of Terms of use among other things like copyright jazz.

Anyone can sue anyone no matter how small of an issue, as long as that issue is a violation of the law.

Graal can claim no responsibility but i doesnt just magically legally absolve them.

Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

Thirdly, streaming is legal. That's why websites that stream illegal movies, but don't host them, rarely get taken down. The only illegal party in streaming is the party that is actually hosting

Dude streaming is legal as long as it follows the terms of use! didnt you read the link. Trust me there are many agencies trying to take down those sites down. The original tv-links went down for that reason (http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives...r_arrested.php). Streaming copyrighted movies is illegal. Alot of the time its hard to shut these sites down because they are in countries with little laws regarding copyright .

[LoneAngelIbesu]

Originally Posted by thesmoothcriminal

This will simply if for you. Graal = commercial. Music in graal = used for commercial purpose. Using music for commercial purpose = violation of Terms of use among other things like copyright jazz.

I would like to see some of this money come my way, if Graal's making so much as a result of music. I make a lot of levels with music in them.

Originally Posted by thesmoothcriminal

Graal can claim no responsibility but i doesnt just magically legally absolve them.

Yes, it does. This is why an ISP doesn't get in trouble when somebody is doing something illegal over the internet. The ISP says that the user claims sole responsibility over their actions, and that they cannot be held liable for any illegal activities

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

I would like to see some of this money come my way, if Graal's making so much as a result of music. I make a lot of levels with music in them.

Graal makes far more money as a result of scripts. Even people like Tig, who manage gold servers, don't even receive free upgrades (or he didn't before).

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

Yes, it does. This is why an ISP doesn't get in trouble when somebody is doing something illegal over the internet. The ISP says that the user claims sole responsibility over their actions, and that they cannot be held liable for any illegal activities

ISPs have a special legal status that Graal does not have.

And ISPs still react to illegal behaviour by their customers.