Graal iPhone/iPod: Will be released on Apple AppStore!

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by pooper200000

I'm sure they did testing on their own Iphone. Just because they didn't open the testing to certain Graal players doesn't mean they didn't test the product. Graal submitted what they thought was an easy to use product. However, some customers were not able to understand the controls. I'm sure that Cyberjoueurs intends to change the product accordingly based on the helpful customer reviews. I don't think you can assume just because Cyberjoueur's product was not perfect that they purposely intended to create a product that was much less than perfect.
[SARCASM]I mean Cyberjoueurs is definitely out to get everyone by creating a bad product. I'm sure they intended to add every single glitch or bug.[/SARCASM]
Seriously, grow up.

They created the Graal Zone, and Graal Zone+ for the Ipod based upon their own assesments of the Ipod touch and Iphone. They did the same thing with the poker and it was a success.

It does not make a difference if you do not agree with how they handled the situation. Who cares if you can place the blame? You can place the blame all you want, but Cyberjoueurs could be improving their product. I don't understand what your whole Graal is out to piss everyone off attitude, but it is getting very very old. I'm sure just from reading a few of your posts on the forums that you disagree with just about everything Graal has done, although I'm sure you do like some things, you just don't like the way some actions are being carried out. You aren't alone, but you could at least look at the positive side. Graal was trying to gain more customers and money by creating a product for the Iphone. They didn't make a fool proof product and there were some bad reviews. Based upon the reviews they can make revisions in the product and improve it for the customers. Is this such a huge issue that you must continue to rant about it?

Just because they didn't open it up to random testers, and had those people that they trust to help review the product doesn't mean they didn't help find or spot bugs. If they didn't have randomly chosen participants so what.. Stop placing the blame and try to find some solutions and positive input.

If you don't do good testing, you're taking an unnecessary risk. They're so afraid to trust people with a beta release of their software, that there's always tons of problems and bugs when the release it to everyone. It's not a wise way to release software. Blaming Apple for all the problems with the release date is fine, but it wasn't Apple's fault the released product was subpar. The message you get when you log on would lead you to believe that Apple accidentally released a beta version.

Originally Posted by Kristi

Seeing as you were incapable of reading, I will make the point that they had a reason to complain about:

Stefan wanted to be around during launch, which he would have been if it was approved and launched. Since it wasn't approved, Stef went on vacation and then it was magically in the store in the interim. This means he wasn't available at lunch. This is the direct fault of apple.

Developing reading skills would have saved this thread three pages of repetition.

It's Apple fault it was released at a different time.
It is not their fault the game was unpopular for the controls and other missing features.

[Kristi]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

It's Apple fault it was released at a different time.

The part they were upset about

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

It is not their fault the game was unpopular for the controls and other missing features.

NOT the part they were upset about.

Good going. Broken Record: Learn to read

[pooper200000]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

If you don't do good testing, you're taking an unnecessary risk. They're so afraid to trust people with a beta release of their software, that there's always tons of problems and bugs when the release it to everyone. It's not a wise way to release software. Blaming Apple for all the problems with the release date is fine, but it wasn't Apple's fault the released product was subpar. The message you get when you log on would lead you to believe that Apple accidentally released a beta version.

It's Apple fault it was released at a different time.
It is not their fault the game was unpopular for the controls and other missing features.

Cyberjoueurs must have thought they had a flawless product and with the severe lack of time must have found it plausible to submit the product as is. I can't speak for Cyberjoueurs. As far as testers, what is done is done. Yes it would be helpful to have more beta testers, and perhaps in the future Cyberjoueurs will take more consideration into choosing testers.
It is beating a dead horse to place the blame or talk about testers. It doesn't matter who is at fault, whether or not it is Apple, or Cyberjoueurs, what matters is that any and all bugs be fixed. The release may not have been handled perfectly, but it was released. Now the most important thing is to have forward momentum in fixing bugs and improving the overall product.

If the product was missing freatures, make a list of them so the developers who have been working on the product can fix and improve the product as they see fit. It doesn't need to chew them out for the things they did do. It could just give them advice on improving the product so it will sell.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Kristi

The part they were upset about

NOT the part they were upset about.

Good going. Broken Record: Learn to read

Wow: you learn to read.
They made it seem from their message in game that it was a beta version that Apple released, and it was their fault it was released before the game was finished, when, in reality, CJ thought the game was finished when they sent it to them, and because of their comments and the players, decided to work on it more. They were misleading their userbase (again).

[pooper200000]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

Wow: you learn to read.
They made it seem from their message in game that it was a beta version that Apple released, and it was their fault it was released before the game was finished, when, in reality, CJ thought the game was finished when they sent it to them, and because of their comments and the players, decided to work on it more. They were misleading their userbase (again).

None of us can assume anything about the situation, because we simply just do not possess enough information to know who, if anyone, is at fault. Stop placing the blame. What is done is done. If you have positive, useful feedback, why not post it?

We understand you have problems with the management and some of their decisions. What is unnecesary is your constant slandering of the management and your slandering of the game in general. Complaining is not positive and will not fix the problems. Post useful feedback so the product can be improved upon.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by pooper200000

None of us can assume anything about the situation, because we simply just do not possess enough information to know who, if anyone, is at fault. Stop placing the blame. What is done is done. If you have positive, useful feedback, why not post it?

We understand you have problems with the management and some of their decisions. What is unnecesary is your constant slandering of the management and your slandering of the game in general. Complaining is not positive and will not fix the problems. Post useful feedback so the product can be improved upon.

You don't know the half of it.

Still, my point is they should have admitted the problem, not just pointed fingers.
Apple screwed up. So did Cj. Neither should have tried to say the other was at fault (and Apple certainly didn't).

[Spark910]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

Apple screwed up. So did Cj.

We may have progress here. This is promising.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Spark910

We may have progress here. This is promising.

I said that before. What's wrong, didn't read that post?

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

(and Apple certainly didn't).

How do you know?

Seriously, who cares whos fault it is? I dont see where that is even important to us. What's done is done, and hopefully we will see a future release.