Role of PWA?

[farte6]

Originally Posted by Inverness

Your excessive ignorance is disgusting.

I don't think I'm that ignorant when it comes to lol this "game". If you even wanna call it that now. Its more of a glorified chatroom. But fact is, the PWA are not developing anything for this "game"(Ya know content). Development pleases to player base and thus they arnt pleasing the player base.

O and obviously the majority of the owners of graal servers are not pleased with the PWA, nor do half of them even need them.

But ya know, Im very ignorant. Im sure they are Graals....holy Graal.

[Inverness]

Originally Posted by farte6

I don't think I'm that ignorant when it comes to lol this "game". If you even wanna call it that now. Its more of a glorified chatroom. But fact is, the PWA are not developing anything for this "game"(Ya know content). Development pleases to player base and thus they arnt pleasing the player base.

O and obviously the majority of the owners of graal servers are not pleased with the PWA, nor do half of them even need them.

But ya know, Im very ignorant. Im sure they are Graals....holy Graal.

Its not the PWA's job to develop.

You should actually learn what the PWA's job is before you criticize them for not doing it.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by farte6

I don't think I'm that ignorant when it comes to lol this "game". If you even wanna call it that now. Its more of a glorified chatroom. But fact is, the PWA are not developing anything for this "game"(Ya know content). Development pleases to player base and thus they arnt pleasing the player base.

O and obviously the majority of the owners of graal servers are not pleased with the PWA, nor do half of them even need them.

But ya know, Im very ignorant. Im sure they are Graals....holy Graal.

"You totally own half these nubs on here."

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Inverness

Did you make your quests in such a way that they didn't have to wander all around to find them? In the case of an RPG type server I would have a tutorial quest start when you first login that shows you the ropes, then it would point you in the direction of your first real quest and things would go on from there in a chain.
The short bus kind of special, right?

There was a tutorial from the first level. -_-

[farte6]

Originally Posted by Inverness

Its not the PWA's job to develop.

You should actually learn what the PWA's job is before you criticize them for not doing it.

...Im pretty sure the entire point of me saying this was that the PWA was useless because they're job did not require developing at all. Not only that but what they are required to do they rarely do at all, yet alone well.

Wtf do I know though? Ive only developed and played with this community since the dawn on time.

Im just trying to say they dont make anything better at all, as in ya know...saving the community.

[HoudiniMan]

Originally Posted by farte6

Im just trying to say they dont make anything better at all, as in ya know...saving the community.

Why do you think the forums are free now? In fact, I don't remember seeing you before that point on the forums.

Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

The forums are losing their active posters to 3rd party fan sites that offer free accounts.

I think, at minimum, the forums should be open to anybody who has ever paid for Graal in any way.

Even if it's a 14 day 200g subscription, that puts money in Graal's pocket even if people make troll accounts.

I would like to discuss this in depth.

My personal goal is to streamline support, hopefully some day to have a client-based support ticketing system "like the big boys" and active support staff that respond immediately to a live queue of online players who need help.

For now, our focus is to get the most popular playerworlds to be as newbie friendly as possible. This means more FAQs and GPs around to help give advice and keep the peace. We're also open to suggestions, but those should probably each be their own thread.

We are almost done with revising the playerworld rules. I was ready to post the public pre-finalized rules to open discussion but then my stupid browser crashed and I lost 5 pages of editing and proofreading... That'll teach me to edit in a browser They will get posted VERY soon I assure you.

On that note, that is one area that has fallen to the PWA in the more recent years nobody had mentioned as one of our functions: Implementing and enforcing playerworld rules and policies.

You can also expect to see this forum have a lot more PWA posts in it.

P.S. That quoted post started a thread I made in a private forum called "Graal Management" so the quote link won't work for most of you.

[Codein]

Originally Posted by farte6

...Im pretty sure the entire point of me saying this was that the PWA was useless because they're job did not require developing at all. Not only that but what they are required to do they rarely do at all, yet alone well.

You're still being ignorant to what they do. They actively moderate playerworld content, resolve playerworld issues and make sure all playerworlds run smoothly.

Originally Posted by farte6

Wtf do I know though? Ive only developed and played with this community since the dawn on time.

Not really truthful. I remember you when were a noob on Babylon in 2002/03. I assume it took you about half a year/year to start really developing content that was useful.

[Spark910]

I think it may be hard to see what the PWA do now, because the position has somewhat changed. For example, when I was PWA Admin a lot of visible change occured (most notably, the ability to pay for a playerworld which kept us all entertained with masses of content being taken), the support centre was established, more playerworlds were launched and moved around, anti-graal were probably more visible (not paid attention to say for sure), graal security was lower (allowing more script kiddies to mess around) and potentially even ghost accounts were kicking around when I first joined.

Now, with certain things no longer a big issue for the PWA it may seem little is done. But even if their role was diminished to a support center role (which it hasn't yet), then it'd still be productive, just different from what you may expect.

Roles change, so we can't look at it from the job description of 2-3 years ago. However, even if the PWA did little, that would be a good thing rather than a bad thing - as it'd mean everything was going fine! Of course, if that was the case there would be other issues to consider, but I am sure they are doing as Houdini mentioned.

[Bell]

Ok, I confess. I do nothing all day but sit and type on my computer for 6 to 12 hours and jump from playerworld rc to playerworld rc to make it look like I'm doing something. I'm guilty so throw me in jail now and throw away the pc.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Bell

Ok, I confess. I do nothing all day but sit and type on my computer for 6 to 12 hours and jump from playerworld rc to playerworld rc to make it look like I'm doing something. I'm guilty so throw me in jail now and throw away the pc.

Who would care if you really did?

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

Who would care if you really did?

Anyone who wants to see playerworlds succeed appropriately, that's who
Without the pwa, I am afraid to think what some playerworlds would be doing....

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Anyone who wants to see playerworlds succeed appropriately, that's who
Without the pwa, I am afraid to think what some playerworlds would be doing....

I know, right?
I might still have one.

[farte6]

Originally Posted by Codein

You're still being ignorant to what they do. They actively moderate playerworld content, resolve playerworld issues and make sure all playerworlds run smoothly.



Not really truthful. I remember you when were a noob on Babylon in 2002/03. I assume it took you about half a year/year to start really developing content that was useful.

.....rofl and take what I said and apply it to what you just said they do. Kthx. Ill also pretend like you informed me of what they do just now as if I didn't know.

Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

Why do you think the forums are free now? In fact, I don't remember seeing you before that point on the forums.

Thats cool?

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by farte6

.....rofl and take what I said and apply it to what you just said they do. Kthx. Ill also pretend like you informed me of what they do just now as if I didn't know.

The PWA was not designed to make content for servers. They do exactly what they were hired to do. I dont understand what you are going on about.

[Inverness]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

The PWA was not designed to make content for servers. They do exactly what they were hired to do. I dont understand what you are going on about.

Perhaps you should just give up trying to explain it to him, he doesn't appear to want to see things the right way.

[farte6]

Originally Posted by Inverness

Perhaps you should just give up trying to explain it to him, he doesn't appear to want to see things the right way.

Perhaps you just take a second and read instead of being so caught up in your own thoughts.

[Crow]

You are being pretty rude and ignorant. You say the PWAs job is useless because it doesn't include developing? Well, let's just fire the guys who manage the servers then, screw downtime, who cares, they don't develop.

Also, playerworld owners don't need the PWA, the PWA get's to them when there's a problem with their playerworld, most likely. Saying they don't make the game better is a false statement as well, since I believe especially Bell is making the game better. Her answers to questions/problems are incredibly fast, it just gives you a good feeling when your issues are resolved so quick.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Crow

You are being pretty rude and ignorant.

He's speaking from bad experience, mostly from Babylon. He isn't ignorant and has a good reason to be rude.

[Inverness]

Originally Posted by farte6

Perhaps you just take a second and read instead of being so caught up in your own thoughts.

My own thoughts are far more important than anything you could produce.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by Crono

He's speaking from bad experience, mostly from Babylon. He isn't ignorant and has a good reason to be rude.

If you say so

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by Crono

What exactly is the role of the PWA team?

to do staffwipes.

[TSAdmin]

Originally Posted by Crono

He's speaking from bad experience, mostly from Babylon. He isn't ignorant and has a good reason to be rude.

Even someone who is constantly in trouble with the PWA has the ability to realise it's not just about what's happened to them, and see beyond their "bad experience".

[Crono]

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

Even someone who is constantly in trouble with the PWA has the ability to realise it's not just about what's happened to them, and see beyond their "bad experience".

He wasn't in trouble with the PWA. I can't really elaborate because apparently speaking the truth about an ex-Graalian is illegal as IT MITE BE 1 SIDE OF TEH STORY!!! or something.

[HoudiniMan]

Originally Posted by Crono

He wasn't in trouble with the PWA. I can't really elaborate because apparently speaking the truth about an ex-Graalian is illegal as IT MITE BE 1 SIDE OF TEH STORY!!! or something.

PWA? Babylon? It's totally unfair to count Malinko against the PWA, we never wanted him in the first place.

[WarriorCam]

Personally, I would prefer if the PWAs took it upon themselves to remove managers who aren't enforcing quality standards on their servers rather than enforcing their own quality standards. If a staff member on Valikorlia steals something from another server and lies about it they are fired on the spot.

Plus, it would be easier to watch over the management than it would be to try and enforce quality standards on all of these servers. It's pretty simple: just make sure someone who is honest and trustworthy is in a position of power and you shouldn't be having issues like this.

On a sidenote, I see lots of PWAs talking about how they moderate content on all the servers, but, (not to step on any toes here), I don't even remember the last time a PWA was on Valikorlia. The only global that even occassionally logs into Val RC is Hell Raven, and he isn't a PWA. Maybe I am misunderstanding though, and they're only really logging on UC servers. Or maybe Val just never gets complained about for stealing content.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

PWA? Babylon? It's totally unfair to count Malinko against the PWA, we never wanted him in the first place.

You guys didn't do anything until it was too late, and even then it was Lyndzey who was going to fix things but she suddenly disappeared. I know it's hard to do anything against Stefan's "favorites" (I'd know, it's happening on bomy island right now!) but we felt like there was no one to help.

[WanDaMan]

I've always found that the PWA have helped me in a timely manner via the Support Center in regards to any problems I've had in the past!

[Crono]

Originally Posted by WanDaMan

I've always found that the PWA have helped me in a timely manner via the Support Center in regards to any problems I've had in the past!

Same here.

[Inverness]

Valikorlia has the most unique graphics of any playerworld I would say. We're too good to need to steal.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Inverness

Valikorlia has the most unique graphics of any playerworld I would say. We're to good to need to steal.

A shame all that graphical talent can't be channeled, every talented artist on that server really only wants to make good graphics for themselves. The few who do become GAT and actually work have different styles and wind up having unmatched tilesets and such.

SO MUCH POTENTIAL.

[LoneAngelIbesu]

I agree, Crono. I wish Wyand was still around...

[Crono]

Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

I agree, Crono. I wish Wyand was still around...

One of Graal's best yet underrated and practically unknown developers.