Duping

[email protected] · #1 06-02-2008, 04:35 PM

its now fixed. also, you can remove the drop confirmation, it's in the options tab under general

cbk1994 · #2 06-02-2008, 04:52 PM

Now once Era resets again, we can find more glitches and Era will reset again. Yay!

[email protected] · #3 06-02-2008, 08:48 PM

yay !!!

Tigairius · #4 06-03-2008, 01:47 AM

It's about time this were properly fixed.

DustyPorViva · #5 06-03-2008, 01:52 AM

Fixing isn't enough. Like all bugs, they are nearly always oblivious to the creator, so almost always go unnoticed.
There could be other duping bugs hidden away, and you'll never know until it's too late and it's time to reset again. Avoid this and making an economy log. Track every single transaction of items and money.

Crow · #6 06-03-2008, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigairius

It's about time this were properly fixed.

If it was. Nice attempt, but doesn't look all too promising.

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Track every single transaction of items and money.

We do already.

xAzerothx · #7 06-03-2008, 03:23 PM

I don't understand... You track every single transaction but you're resetting the server?

Darklux · #8 06-03-2008, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by xAzerothx

I don't understand... You track every single transaction but you're resetting the server?

Probaply too much to redo every transaction.. 30-50 players trading items the whole day can make a nice sum of transactions.

Crow · #9 06-03-2008, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Darklux

Probaply too much to redo every transaction.. 30-50 players trading items the whole day can make a nice sum of transactions.

Exactly that. There was once a case of a duped Sten switching owners 8 or 9 times in 1 or 2 days. Have fun tracking that down.

DustyPorViva · #10 06-03-2008, 03:59 PM

Hire someone to specifically keep an eye on economy logs. I find it quite useless for you to waste the server's resources to track stuff if you're just going to say 'too much work' and 'have fun trying to actually do anything about it'.

I'm sure there must be some way for you to tell if an item 'appears' out of no where, which you should log immediately in a separate log. I don't know if it's possible, but I'm sure something could be figured out.

Really though, if you're going to claim the system is there, it should be used and the logs should be checked over every few hours a day. It might not be fun but at least you'll be able to catch this stuff and avoid resets.

Darklux · #11 06-03-2008, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Crow

Exactly that. There was once a case of a duped Sten switching owners 8 or 9 times in 1 or 2 days. Have fun tracking that down.

Cant you script a system which auto bans or detects the first owner/duper?

cbk1994 · #12 06-03-2008, 05:19 PM

The way my mud lib system works, it's nearly impossible to duplicate (tight security). However, if a bug were found which allowed you to (I think there aren't any ...) I can check the logs for that certain ID and see where/when/who created it, everywhere it went, etc. Basically, if you duplicated something, it would have the same ID ... and therefor the item is placed under a lock.

Might be possible to assign each item an ID like this so you can track it? I don't know how well this would work without some major rescripting though.

Crow · #13 06-03-2008, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994

The way my mud lib system works, it's nearly impossible to duplicate (tight security). However, if a bug were found which allowed you to (I think there aren't any ...) I can check the logs for that certain ID and see where/when/who created it, everywhere it went, etc. Basically, if you duplicated something, it would have the same ID ... and therefor the item is placed under a lock.

Might be possible to assign each item an ID like this so you can track it? I don't know how well this would work without some major rescripting though.

I might do that, I'm not sure yet though. I wanted to rescript the whole item system anyway, to fix duping. Because the way it is now, it is just friggin unsecure. The fix Andy added is pretty hackish.

[email protected] · #14 06-03-2008, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Crow

I might do that, I'm not sure yet though. I wanted to rescript the whole item system anyway, to fix duping. Because the way it is now, it is just friggin unsecure. The fix Andy added is pretty hackish.

hmm no its not? lol

Crow · #15 06-03-2008, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by [email protected]

hmm no its not? lol

It is. You left the main problems open. The actual functions handling items are in a class joined to the player, and items are stored in clientr.vars. You cannot say this isnt insecure.