Ok this is just plain messed ><

Carl_Elven · #1 04-15-2002, 12:07 PM

Ok, hearing a bunch of crap about all graal going p2p is fine, but when Stefan makes it so you can't use head25.gif on 2k1, it simply pisses me off! Will someone explain to me why he went and made it so you can't use it? Does he need his head checked or something? I think it's retarded by doing that. And it just pisses me off ><;

zell12 · #2 04-15-2002, 12:25 PM

its a head, get over it....

Carl_Elven · #3 04-15-2002, 12:49 PM

I wasn't asking you! >.>;;;

c0nsp1racy · #4 04-15-2002, 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by Carl_Elven
Will someone explain to me why he went and made it so you can't use it?

Thats asking in general buddy

Slaktmaster · #5 04-15-2002, 01:04 PM

Kaimetsu disabled it because people were trying to imitate RCs...

c0nsp1racy · #6 04-15-2002, 01:05 PM

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Originally posted by Slaktmaster
Kaimetsu disabled it because people were trying to imitate RCs...

People been doin that since the head was made why now?

Kaimetsu · #7 04-15-2002, 02:21 PM

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Originally posted by c0nsp1racy

People been doin that since the head was made why now?

Because Kaimetsu wasn't staff until recently, y'see?

c0nsp1racy · #8 04-15-2002, 03:51 PM

So wtf could someone do by imitating a rc? They have no power.

Slaktmaster · #9 04-15-2002, 04:40 PM

Intimidate people, even though you have to be dumb to fall for it. But some people are dumb, and they shouldn't have to suffer too much for it.

Saga2001 · #10 04-15-2002, 05:10 PM

There should be a new one made called head25b.png, and it should be just like the rc head and ust to make sure that it would trick people it should say rc on the top, kinda like the cheater head, now thats a great idea.

Kaimetsu · #11 04-15-2002, 06:00 PM

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Originally posted by c0nsp1racy
So wtf could someone do by imitating a rc? They have no power.

Newbie: "Help, I'm stuck in a tree"
RC Imitator: "ROFFOEFLEE U NEWB NEWBBW I HAET U"

Not exactly good publicity for the server or its real staff, is it? I'm not totally unreceptive on this issue. I used to use head25 myself before I realised that it was the default RC head. I couldn't understand why people kept asking me where stuff was. Now if I look on the playerlist and see somebody with that head, I automatically think they're staff. Now, I'm learned enough to just check their account name, but I don't think that impressionable newbies should be able to make that mistake.

As has been said, it's only a head. I doubt it could really impact on you unless you've previously had fun playing the impersonation game.

Slaktmaster · #12 04-15-2002, 06:11 PM

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Originally posted by c0nsp1racy
So wtf could someone do by imitating a rc? They have no power.

One more thing:

Saga2001 · #13 04-15-2002, 06:12 PM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu

Newbie: "Help, I'm stuck in a tree"
RC Imitator: "ROFFOEFLEE U NEWB NEWBBW I HAET U"

Not exactly good publicity for the server or its real staff, is it? I'm not totally unreceptive on this issue. I used to use head25 myself before I realised that it was the default RC head. I couldn't understand why people kept asking me where stuff was. Now if I look on the playerlist and see somebody with that head, I automatically think they're staff. Now, I'm learned enough to just check their account name, but I don't think that impressionable newbies should be able to make that mistake.

As has been said, it's only a head. I doubt it could really impact on you unless you've previously had fun playing the impersonation game.

I did that once when I was n00bish on classic, but I actually helped the person, they thought they found a hacker, and i played GP.

Birdbird_0 · #14 04-15-2002, 06:56 PM

RC heads need a new Defualt head I say.

._. So it's in aggrement than, we all have small chubby pinguin bodys for rc.

I thinnk I should acutaly doo that...

c0nsp1racy · #15 04-15-2002, 07:02 PM

Make rc's not have a head make them have a icon like npc control

vsignasv · #16 04-15-2002, 07:25 PM

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Originally posted by Carl_Elven
Ok, hearing a bunch of crap about all graal going p2p is fine, but when Stefan makes it so you can't use head25.gif on 2k1, it simply pisses me off! Will someone explain to me why he went and made it so you can't use it? Does he need his head checked or something? I think it's retarded by doing that. And it just pisses me off ><;

there are ways to use it bro, cheat the system.

Go to a dress up place like in harmonia(only one) and run into the guy with head25 like 50 times.

Valder · #17 04-15-2002, 07:40 PM

Kaimetsu · #18 04-16-2002, 12:27 AM

I don't think there should be a new head for RCs. Everybody accepts head25 as being the definitive RC head.

cds96 · #19 04-16-2002, 12:31 AM

:/

i dont think this is a good idea, the judge heads were great, and now we cant wear the red one :[

Lord-Andrew · #20 04-16-2002, 09:53 AM

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Originally posted by Valder

I like the Rc Head valder made. It looks good and RCs dont really need heads. Its not like you play on them. And you can notice the person on rc better than the judge head that people used to use.

Kaimetsu · #21 04-16-2002, 09:55 AM

There'd at least need to be some kind of ingame announcement so that everybody knew about the crossover. I hate the idea that people could be impersonating RCs and upsetting newbies.

Shorty2Dope · #22 04-16-2002, 09:58 AM

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Originally posted by Valder

They should use that for RC heads. It would be even easier for newbies and other people to tell the difference.

Tyhm · #23 04-16-2002, 10:57 AM

Yeah, just a RC box. It makes more sense. I get too many people bugging me "Why you wearing that head Tyhm, I thought you wore head30?"

Plus, I mean are you gonna block 1329 (or whatever the Jugal head is) too? It'd look almost identical...and the Brugite Head, for people claiming to be NATs?

Kaimetsu · #24 04-16-2002, 11:04 AM

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Originally posted by Tyhm
Yeah, just a RC box. It makes more sense. I get too many people bugging me "Why you wearing that head Tyhm, I thought you wore head30?"

Plus, I mean are you gonna block 1329 (or whatever the Jugal head is) too? It'd look almost identical...and the Brugite Head, for people claiming to be NATs?

Bah. People uploading near-identical heads, people establishing extra standards for staff heads when there are already too many. I hadn't realised the Graal world was so opposed to any form of order

DeathChill · #25 04-16-2002, 11:12 AM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu

Bah. People uploading near-identical heads, people establishing extra standards for staff heads when there are already too many. I hadn't realised the Graal world was so opposed to any form of order

But the problem is you shouldn't be able to control what OUR character looks like.ONO IF PEOPLE THINK WE'RE STAFF BIG DEAL

There's also showadmins ;P
But I don't wear the head so...

Kaimetsu · #26 04-16-2002, 11:48 AM

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Originally posted by DeathChill

But the problem is you shouldn't be able to control what OUR character looks like.ONO IF PEOPLE THINK WE'RE STAFF BIG DEAL There's also showadmins ;P
But I don't wear the head so...

YOUR character? Like, YOUR servers? Like, YOUR company? As an elected representative of Graal, I have every authority to make changes such as this that benefit the community.

DeathChill · #27 04-16-2002, 11:51 AM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu

YOUR character? Like, YOUR servers? Like, YOUR company? As an elected representative of Graal, I have every authority to make changes such as this that benefit the community.

They benefit too small a part of the community ;(
And guess what?They're also not YOUR characters so why can you control what I can and cannot wear.

Kaimetsu · #28 04-16-2002, 12:02 PM

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Originally posted by DeathChill

They benefit too small a part of the community ;(
And guess what?They're also not YOUR characters so why can you control what I can and cannot wear.

Because I was chosen to be co-manager of the server and thus given some measure of authority over your choice of head. And what part of the community does it offend? The RC-imitators? Or the tiny fraction of a percentile that genuinely used it because they liked it?

DeathChill · #29 04-16-2002, 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu

Because I was chosen to be co-manager of the server and thus given some measure of authority over your choice of head. And what part of the community does it offend? The RC-imitators? Or the tiny fraction of a percentile that genuinely used it because they liked it?

What about the judges people!Er1c uses it and is still using it :P

Kaimetsu · #30 04-16-2002, 12:05 PM

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Originally posted by DeathChill
What about the judges people!Er1c uses it and is still using it :P

As I said, a tiny fraction of a percentile. Er1c knows perfectly well that the head is the accepted RC head. It's posititively discourteous for him to use it.

Hilton · #31 04-16-2002, 12:09 PM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu

YOUR character? Like, YOUR servers? Like, YOUR company? As an elected representative of Graal, I have every authority to make changes such as this that benefit the community.

As a paying customer I do not benefit from this because I use that head occasionally.

Also, should we all delete AIM because people go around impersonating certain staff members' AIM names, oh great elected representative of Graal?

DeathChill · #32 04-16-2002, 12:11 PM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu

As I said, a tiny fraction of a percentile. Er1c knows perfectly well that the head is the accepted RC head. It's posititively discourteous for him to use it.

Er1c's also been around since before it was the RC head as there was no RC head ;( aka before you ;P

Kaimetsu · #33 04-16-2002, 12:15 PM

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Originally posted by DeathChill

Er1c's also been around since before it was the RC head as there was no RC head ;( aka before you ;P

And? His being here longer than me means that he gets some sort of priority? When he's not staff on G2K1, he's just a player. That's all.

hilton: Your example is ludicrous. It's nothing like the same thing.

Tyhm · #34 04-16-2002, 12:16 PM

I support Kai's ruling.

But only until such time as Stefan sets the RC Head to a more appropriate icon. If it were possible to set the NPCServ head, I'd disable that too, but there's apparently no legal way to do so, making it kinda moot.

freddyfox · #35 04-16-2002, 12:17 PM

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Originally posted by Hilton

As a paying customer I do not benefit from this because I use that head occasionally.

Well, that sucks, tough luck. Their game, they can change it if they want.

Kaimetsu · #36 04-16-2002, 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by Tyhm
I support Kai's ruling.

But only until such time as Stefan sets the RC Head to a more appropriate icon. If it were possible to set the NPCServ head, I'd disable that too, but there's apparently no legal way to do so, making it kinda moot.

*nods*

If it's a serverwide change and everybody knows about it then there's no problem.

Hilton · #37 04-16-2002, 12:29 PM

You know there is a staff list for a reason.

And yes Vermain, how petty of me to think Graal was some sort of democracy where issues/changes were presented to players before being set in stone. Now that I think about it it seems more Communistically (real word?) run.

But silly me, it's just a game!! Goodnight!

Frolic_RC2 · #38 04-16-2002, 12:30 PM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu

YOUR character? Like, YOUR servers? Like, YOUR company? As an elected representative of Graal, I have every authority to make changes such as this that benefit the community.

Yes actually. We all own our character. We all PAID for it after all, so yes. OUR character. To some point OUR servers. The company is there to serve US, so yes.

If it was still free it would be different, but since we ALL paid for it, we OWN our characters. So you can't use that in defense.

You may say "but you, Soul Blade, are using a staff account" I have 2 other accounts, 1 which is no longer upgraded (T-Squad) and another (Soul-Blade) with about 100 days left, just a low low post count. Post counts are good anywho...

Elected representative? No. More like "volunteer worker" for graal. You are in your position because you are skillful at scripting, no other reason I'm sure. Certainly from this we all see you aren't there because of your "excellent decision and management" skills (for those who don't realize, I was being sarcastic).

Doesn't seem like this benefits anyone, making a head which says "RC" is perfectly reasonable, and if people don't understand that, they can then be classified as idiots, or below age to play graal. I don't think even a 8 year old would be stupid enough for that mistake.

Its not right to rescrict heads which people have used for possibly years, a head which completely makes your character. Some may say "its just a game" but what would you be saying if they took the head you have used for a long while?

(no I do not use this head, I just wanted to go against Kaimetsu and formulate an arguement because its fun

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Kaimetsu · #39 04-16-2002, 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by Frolic_RC2
Yes actually. We all own our character. We all PAID for it after all, so yes. OUR character. To some point OUR servers. The company is there to serve US, so yes.

If it was still free it would be different, but since we ALL paid for it, we OWN our characters. So you can't use that in defense.

You pay for the privilege of using THEIR characters. The data on the server belongs to them. Otherwise you'd be able to choose any name etc.

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Elected representative? No. More like "volunteer worker" for graal. You are in your position because you are skillful at scripting, no other reason I'm sure. Certainly from this we all see you aren't there because of your "excellent decision and management" skills (for those who don't realize, I was being sarcastic).

I was made NAT Admin for my scripting skill. That's not why I was made co-manager. If you don't like the decisions I make then fine, you're welcome to your opinion. I'm sure virtually every decision meets bad responses along with the good, especially if the person making the decision has people like you lining up to take a shot at them. I don't let it bother me because I think I made the right choice.

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Doesn't seem like this benefits anyone, making a head which says "RC" is perfectly reasonable, and if people don't understand that, they can then be classified as idiots, or below age to play graal. I don't think even a 8 year old would be stupid enough for that mistake.

I'm fully cooperative with that idea, assuming that everybody knows that the change has been made. Otherwise we might get problems with newbies who haven't seen that G2K1 uses a special system and subsequently make the mistake of thinking that gokudhsds23232 is an RC. You say only stupid people would make this mistake, as if stupid people are less valid customers. These are your excellent decision-making skills coming into play?

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Its not right to rescrict heads which people have used for possibly years, a head which completely makes your character. Some may say "its just a game" but what would you be saying if they took the head you have used for a long while?

You may not have read the whole thread. I DID use that head up until I came to G2K1. Then I realised the confusion I could be causing and stopped.

Frolic_RC2 · #40 04-16-2002, 07:50 PM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu

You pay for the privilege of using THEIR characters. The data on the server belongs to them. Otherwise you'd be able to choose any name etc.

Nothing to say on this, because I probably don't really know. Just a dosage of common sense I think on my post.

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu

I was made NAT Admin for my scripting skill. That's not why I was made co-manager. If you don't like the decisions I make then fine, you're welcome to your opinion. I'm sure virtually every decision meets bad responses along with the good, especially if the person making the decision has people like you lining up to take a shot at them. I don't let it bother me because I think I made the right choice.

Co-manager? Well, I wonder who put you there, so I can argue with them

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu

I'm fully cooperative with that idea, assuming that everybody knows that the change has been made. Otherwise we might get problems with newbies who haven't seen that G2K1 uses a special system and subsequently make the mistake of thinking that gokudhsds23232 is an RC. You say only stupid people would make this mistake, as if stupid people are less valid customers. These are your excellent decision-making skills coming into play?

Not hard to put into play, just post a message on the main site, and if able put a message on the news at login thing on G2k1, and tell them the new head will be put into play, and show them what the new RC head looks like. If anybody misses that, then common sense should kick in when they see RC on the playerlist. Come on, you must agree on this one.

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu

You may not have read the whole thread. I DID use that head up until I came to G2K1. Then I realised the confusion I could be causing and stopped.

Well, some people aren't able to just give up the way their character looks. I know I wouldn't. (not that I have been on graal for a while, I just know what my character looks like, and wouldn't change him)