Selling over AIM (USDers...)

hampy · #1 07-07-2006, 07:13 PM

Today AGAIN I see people buying and selling GK items over AIM. I know that its illegal to sell stuff for real money on graal but not over AIM... What is the difference?!!! I'm fed up with this bull and it's not fair. Basically all the dirty rich freaks are spending their real money for items on a 2D game, it's ridiculas and staff should ban both parties if this happens over AIM or any other messenger! It's destroying the game and I know that i'm not the only one who feels this way!

Please staff do something about this it's really starting to pee the hard working traders of GK who spend hours trying to get a item and then they see someone buy it for $$$

Please people back me up here or give your point of views (I'm not trying to start a hate thread, that's why I haven't mentioned the people involved)

Chris · #2 07-07-2006, 07:21 PM

As long as they don't say, "Selling items for USD, contact my AIM" they can do it. Graal cannot do anything because the agreement and transfer of money happens over the AIM client or any other instant messenger service for that matter. Graal only governs Graal.

I agree with you though. USDing items is sad.

hampy · #3 07-07-2006, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris

Graal cannot do anything

This should be changed

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Originally Posted by Chris

I agree with you though. USDing items is sad.

Yep, it's not only sad though. It's destroying the game is what i'm unhappy about. I don't care if people want to throw away their money it annoys me that they don't care about the people who have worked for hundreds of hours

Damix2 · #4 07-07-2006, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by hampy

This should be changed

Unless Graal some how takes over the world, that can not govern what we do outside of the game.

They could ban advertising that you are selling items over AIM, but 1. thats easy to get around. 2. people will just find another way.

cyan3 · #5 07-07-2006, 07:22 PM

yes i dont like people who USD its not fare on the people who work hard to buy things

Chris · #6 07-07-2006, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by cyan3

yes i dont like people who USD its not fare on the people who work hard to buy things

Unfair? No.
Stupid and a waste of money? Yes.

Get a job and buy items if you want. Nobody is stopping you. If you're too young to get a job or have no other way of doing it, tough ****. You can't get mad at others that have money.

Gothika · #7 07-07-2006, 07:24 PM

I also agree that USDing is sad and should be banned.. You get to many people buying and selling stuff over AIM that they usualy see to some rich kid who is "new" to graal and ends up quiting a week later. That is how most of the old weapons and armour are not active anymore.

Sam · #8 07-07-2006, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by hampy

Today AGAIN I see people buying and selling GK items over AIM. I know that its illegal to sell stuff for real money on graal but not over AIM... What is the difference?!!! I'm fed up with this bull and it's not fair.

You find understanding from me, but it's true: we tolerate the AIM massing, if it don't ends in spamming.
If somebody needs to buy some pixel, he should do so.
If somebody get scammed of his stuff, it's his risk, because we cannot controle things outside of graal.
That's also the reason, why we don't support on GK to trade outside of tables only by 'lay down and pick up', and we warn players not to lend anyone else his gear for 'testing'.

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Originally Posted by hampy

Basically all the dirty rich freaks are spending their real money for items on a 2D game, it's ridiculas and staff should ban both parties if this happens over AIM or any other messenger! It's destroying the game and I know that i'm not the only one who feels this way!

Please staff do something about this it's really starting to pee the hard working traders of GK who spend hours trying to get a item and then they see someone buy it for $$$!

Only you can do is: ignore these kind of advertisedments!

hampy · #9 07-07-2006, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

If somebody needs to buy some pixel, he should do so.
!

lol, I like the way you think

Well i'm glad i've got my point across and i'm also glad some people have PMed me saying that they agree with me so i'm not alone

Waltz5 · #10 07-07-2006, 08:21 PM

I have no problem with USDers. It's their own decision. I look on the brightside, if there was no USDing there would be many many more items dead on accounts.

MasterNuke · #11 07-07-2006, 09:46 PM

USDing generally goes away when items don't take months of item farming to afford.

Zero Hour · #12 07-07-2006, 10:26 PM

I don't see what all of the commotion is about anyways - there are, currently, no active USDers on GK.

I could Mass Message that I was selling over AIM (for USD) (if I was so inclined) until the cows came home, that doesn't mean I'm actually going to get a sale.

hampy · #13 07-07-2006, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Zero Hour

there are, currently, no active USDers on GK.

Wrong, three different people today have bought over AIM, I watched it with my own eyes... they were all within a hour of eachother... Perhaps noone likes your items? =D

Edit: I mean, I have recieved multiple PMs over the last 6 days i've been playing GK again asking if I will sell them my items for $$$. Every time I say no but many people beg me saying they need them oh please I need your items! Again they keep asking its really peeing me off, I mean no fk off don't PM me again kthxbai

Zero Hour · #14 07-07-2006, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by hampy

Wrong, three different people today have bought over AIM, I watched it with my own eyes... they were all within a hour of eachother... Perhaps noone likes your items? =D

Edit: I mean, I have recieved multiple PMs over the last 6 days i've been playing GK again asking if I will sell them my items for $$$. Every time I say no but many people beg me saying they need them oh please I need your items! Again they keep asking its really peeing me off, I mean no fk off don't PM me again kthxbai

People who buy an item now and then aren't as much of as concern to the "economy" as those who harvest them such as some of the more notorious USDers in GK history.

hampy · #15 07-07-2006, 10:42 PM

Yeah, I realise that people don't really buy thousands of $ worth of items anymore and most people who want to buy 'over AIM' are really only try to scam you but it is still a problem which I think the GPs should try to clamp down on

Sam · #16 07-07-2006, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by hampy

Yeah, I realise that people don't really buy thousands of $ worth of items anymore and most people who want to buy 'over AIM' are really only try to scam you but it is still a problem which I think the GPs should try to clamp down on

We are always working on that. After all the scams on GK are on the lowest level ever.

Maiku · #17 07-08-2006, 09:52 PM

How does it mess up your trading? The person selling the items earned his items, so.. how is that going to be ruining the game for you? Its not abuse, or duping. You just don't like it because, thats how you started out.. You also don't want anyone as rich as you you prick.

Spiker · #18 07-10-2006, 01:11 AM

That is why I have had this in my siggy for so long, because I am reminding people that USDing SUCKS!!!!!

hampy · #19 07-07-2006, 11:01 PM

Yep, and Sam your doing a very good job may I say! The new GP team is much better then the old. Infact I actually like Yann and you

Edit: Anyway i've just been under attack by the former GP Stephen (cough lame ass GP) so this thread could be closed now if noone else wants to post. I'm glad though that many people share me views, thanks mates!

Sam · #20 07-07-2006, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hampy

Yep, and Sam your doing a very good job may I say! The new GP team is much better then the old. Infact I actually like Yann and you

Edit: Anyway i've just been under attack by the former GP Stephen (cough lame ass GP) so this thread could be closed now if noone else wants to post. I'm glad though that many people share me views, thanks mates!

Check the thread tools, as far as I remember you have the ability to close a thread that was opened by you.

OasaTor_PK · #21 07-07-2006, 11:04 PM

Selling GP's are biased screwups.

AIM me at

IAFGPS..

hampy · #22 07-07-2006, 11:40 PM

Hmm I don't have that option ;'[ never mind anyway thanks Sam

endlessx · #23 07-08-2006, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by hampy

Today AGAIN I see people buying and selling GK items over AIM. I know that its illegal to sell stuff for real money on graal but not over AIM... What is the difference?!!! I'm fed up with this bull and it's not fair. Basically all the dirty rich freaks are spending their real money for items on a 2D game, it's ridiculas and staff should ban both parties if this happens over AIM or any other messenger! It's destroying the game and I know that i'm not the only one who feels this way!

Please staff do something about this it's really starting to pee the hard working traders of GK who spend hours trying to get a item and then they see someone buy it for $$$

Please people back me up here or give your point of views (I'm not trying to start a hate thread, that's why I haven't mentioned the people involved)

Man shut the **** up look at yourself complaining about USD, when you USD urself. You piss me off man why you complaining just to make it look like you dont USD when you obviously do. Don't deny it we all know you USD so quit complaining and just enjoy the game.

hampy · #24 07-08-2006, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by endlessx

Man shut the **** up look at yourself complaining about USD, when you USD urself. You piss me off man why you complaining just to make it look like you dont USD when you obviously do. Don't deny it we all know you USD so quit complaining and just enjoy the game.

... Why would I make a thread complaining about USDers if I was a USDer? That doesnt make sense! I would never spend the hard earned money I have on items from an online game which you don't get any real usage out of.

I said I wasn't going to mention any names because I don't like embarrassing people but to be honest I don't like the way you think your the 'boss man' you think your all this, well no you suck. For anyone that doesn't know endlessx is a known scammer and if i'm correct i believe he was banned just yesterday. Also your a known USDer so your 'rare' items are infact just pixels which you have paid alot of money for... I'm sorry but I hate the way you think your the best all the time. Not only on forums but in game also.

Craigus · #25 07-08-2006, 12:34 AM

Got to agree with Sam on this one guys USD'ing is disgraceful! How people could ruin the Graal economy like that and get away with it while making tons of real life money which they can enjoy, and spend as they wish. It's terrible..

Raziel · #26 07-08-2006, 01:58 AM

I really get tired of saying this...

If you play Graal on a non trial account, then you must have paid some USD to buy a subscription.

Congratulations, you just realized you're a USDer.

Sam · #27 07-08-2006, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Raziel

I really get tired of saying this...

If you play Graal on a non trial account, then you must have paid some USD to buy a subscription.

Congratulations, you just realized you're a USDer.

Don't you think, there is a difference between paying 45$ to play a year on several servers, or to pay in addition 50$ for a RoW? And you cannot be sure to get your RoW...
(Don't pin me down on the prices those are only examples.)

Raziel · #28 07-08-2006, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Don't you think, there is a difference between paying 45$ to play a year on several servers, or to pay in addition 50$ for a RoW? And you cannot be sure to get your RoW...
(Don't pin me down on the prices those are only examples.)

It all depends on the person and what they want/what they have. If they want to pay $50 for a RoW or even $300 for a darkflame sword, let them, as long as the dealing doesn't take place on graal. I mean, really it's nobody's business but theirs. So, if that's what someone wants, it's no different than the guy who spends $300 on a phone or $500,000 on a Ferrari.

Zero Hour · #29 07-08-2006, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Raziel

It all depends on the person and what they want/what they have. If they want to pay $50 for a RoW or even $300 for a darkflame sword, let them, as long as the dealing doesn't take place on graal. I mean, really it's nobody's business but theirs. So, if that's what someone wants, it's no different than the guy who spends $300 on a phone or $500,000 on a Ferrari.

This is different, however. We're in a small community, and supplies of rare equipment is very limited.

Although I still agree with you - because most USDers are willing to trade gear so long as it's a fair trade (duh).

Moondeath_2 · #30 07-08-2006, 02:14 AM

I only have one thing to say for the person on the other end of the transaction (the person buying) is a complete addict/fool for buying a graal item for american dollars or any type of currency as a matter a fact.
How ever paying for graal sucks too but yea.

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Originally Posted by Raziel

I really get tired of saying this...

If you play Graal on a non trial account, then you must have paid some USD to buy a subscription.

Congratulations, you just realized you're a USDer.

Like I said graal sucks to be paid for, but what's gonna pay for graal's hosting? And how are you going to see the better side of graal (such as non hosted worlds and gold/hosted worlds) and actually keep your stats on servers, otherwise it's pointless to play for some people. Unless, they really do not care.

Sam · #31 07-08-2006, 09:17 AM

hampy, endlessx, we are talking about USDing, so stop flaming in your posts!

Ravenblade1979 · #32 07-08-2006, 03:18 PM

It is a problem but I am betting a reason those ppl buy stuff via usding is because they don't want to spend 200 hours getting say 600 dias just for one RoW. Its sad the prices of stuff these days. Why doesn't gk have one day where you can make one of everything..like say i wanted a dual RoW, angel shield etc....do u know how much i would like it if for one day they let ppl make items like that.

You ppl with these items have a advantage over us who don't. We struggle to get em and u charge a aweful lot for em and wonder why we can't purchase em. Mind you I was never good at getting dias so I am pretty much stuck with what I have.

hampy · #33 07-08-2006, 04:36 PM

Ehh, no that wouldn't help. That would just completely ruin the game, the whole point of GK is that you have to work hard for what you have and if you don't work hard you will get nothing. That's how it should stay.

lordbosh · #34 07-08-2006, 09:06 PM

Oh damn sam you just asked for some verbal ownage by crying about usding. Your a staff member, do your job.

By doing your job I mean this. Help make all items on gk craftable, dropable from monsters, or do your job as the top EM and MAKE MORE ITEMS. Rarity+use = the value on the cash market. Flood the server with items and nothing is worth much.

Also the second part of doing your job could be to oversee making new monsters. Stefan has been wanting all these things for years, but nothing gets done. Take the initiative, and get it done. Maybe even replace bjorn if you actually WORK and he just idles on RC and puts down good ideas.

This is probably a tough post to digest. But I advise doing so, and accepting its truth. Graal is in the toilet with the rest of last year's garbage becuase nothing is being done to fix it on a massive scale.

Before deleting this, read it first, and maybe write the good parts down. You'll not regret it, have a nice day idling in front of misty mug.

CptZack · #35 07-08-2006, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by lordbosh

Oh damn sam you just asked for some verbal ownage by crying about usding. Your a staff member, do your job.

By doing your job I mean this. Help make all items on gk craftable, dropable from monsters, or do your job as the top EM and MAKE MORE ITEMS. Rarity+use = the value on the cash market. Flood the server with items and nothing is worth much.

Also the second part of doing your job could be to oversee making new monsters. Stefan has been wanting all these things for years, but nothing gets done. Take the initiative, and get it done. Maybe even replace bjorn if you actually WORK and he just idles on RC and puts down good ideas.

This is probably a tough post to digest. But I advise doing so, and accepting its truth. Graal is in the toilet with the rest of last year's garbage becuase nothing is being done to fix it on a massive scale.

Before deleting this, read it first, and maybe write the good parts down. You'll not regret it, have a nice day idling in front of misty mug.

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hampy · #36 07-08-2006, 09:06 PM

Raz, the only thing that annoys me is that people with no experience at GK, even people who don't know how to use a trade table (I've seen this happen before) have items worth many RoWs just because they can afford to pay for it. It just ruins the trading element of the game.

Well that's my opinion anyway

hampy · #37 07-08-2006, 09:15 PM

What do you mean 'word'? I'm just curious what that means :o

KuJi · #38 07-08-2006, 09:17 PM

Why do you guys keep saying pixels? It's more of a string..

hampy · #39 07-08-2006, 09:40 PM

lol I think you need to calm down

Devotchkas · #40 07-08-2006, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by hampy

lol I think you need to calm down

honestly i think you should

its not your choice on how to tell someone how to live so shut up and stop complaining