V4 vs. V2

MisterMastermind · #1 06-07-2006, 01:56 AM

I'm not sure if it's just me but I found that V4 seems to react slower and you can't change directions, shoot, and change directions again as fast, which is the main fighting style on zone. I'm just asking if we could allow V2 on zone or how to make it the same on both.

jkool666 · #2 06-07-2006, 03:20 AM

I 100% agree. I can't play on V4. Like Typhoon does, I move faster then the directions allow...

VulcanP2P · #3 06-07-2006, 03:30 AM

Mess around with your control settings to figure out what works best for you.

MisterMastermind · #4 06-07-2006, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by VulcanP2P

Mess around with your control settings to figure out what works best for you.

I did that for about 1-2 hours yesterday. Nothing seems to work as fast as V2. V4 gives us limits that we'd already passed on V2.

icemaster · #5 06-07-2006, 05:57 PM

V2s faster?

dayum im gettin that back, ill find a way =]

Huwajux · #6 06-07-2006, 06:23 PM

Go on v2 and use your jetpack while holding A, you should activate it extremely quickly on and off. Do it on v4 and it is slower.

bahamutstevetff · #7 06-07-2006, 06:40 PM

v4 owns, i move better on it and u dont get *** defaults on it.

Huwajux · #8 06-07-2006, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bahamutstevetff

v4 owns, i move better on it and u dont get *** defaults on it.

Defaults were people who put you on ignore and you could not see their face, it was a good system, no idea why it was removed.

bahamutstevetff · #9 06-07-2006, 09:19 PM

defaults just popped up everyware when i minimized graal?

Huwajux · #10 06-07-2006, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bahamutstevetff

defaults just popped up everyware when i minimized graal?

Then you have a dodgy system! Or...do I?

invaderzim66889 · #11 06-07-2006, 09:31 PM

Is there anyway I could download V2?

Skyld · #12 06-07-2006, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by invaderzim66889

Is there anyway I could download V2?

No. It is going to be disabled shortly anyway. Check that your graphics drivers are up to date and that you do not have any CPU-eating processes running.

MisterMastermind · #13 06-07-2006, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyld

No. It is going to be disabled shortly anyway. Check that your graphics drivers are up to date and that you do not have any CPU-eating processes running.

I don't see why. I myself refuse to pay again on any of my accounts if we're forced to use V4. It is abosolutely awful on Zone and that's my main server. It'd be nice if the next version was the same speed wise as V2.

jkool666 · #14 06-08-2006, 05:07 AM

Yeah, I see no use of V4 on Zone aside from hosting events to see how many people are left in the deathmatch.

MisterMastermind · #15 06-10-2006, 04:19 AM

B-u-m-p.

Admins · #16 06-10-2006, 02:10 PM

Just disabled v2 on Zone because everyone who was using it was trial (at least the accounts I have checked).
I don't see how v4 input can be slower, it uses the same code for those things. The scripting has been changed slightly, but that can be changed, if you have suggestions for improving the movement and shooting.

Crono · #17 06-10-2006, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Just disabled v2 on Zone because everyone who was using it was trial

You really don't like trials do you?

Huwajux · #18 06-10-2006, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Just disabled v2 on Zone because everyone who was using it was trial (at least the accounts I have checked).
I don't see how v4 input can be slower, it uses the same code for those things. The scripting has been changed slightly, but that can be changed, if you have suggestions for improving the movement and shooting.

V4 just seems slower, the freezing time on shooting a weapon seems more accurate, which in this case, is a bad thing. In V3 or V2 using the Lrpulsar strafing would hardly cause a pause between each shot, in V4 the shots freeze you a bit longer.

Admins · #19 06-10-2006, 04:09 PM

The freezing time could be reduced then, if it makes the weapons more balanced

jkool666 · #20 06-10-2006, 04:22 PM

What me and Typhoon have a problem with is being faster then the controls allow. Meaning on V2, we might hit space, then hit the up and left key to get away from fire and move to a different position and shoot again, maybe hiting down. But with V4, it being slower then we are, we would have hit down and shot but V4 still thinks we are back at up/left. This causes GREAT inconvenience. Its basically like re-learning how to fight. (I think thats the problem you have, right Typh?)

Huwajux · #21 06-10-2006, 05:13 PM

Basically it has slow reaction time to button presses aswell as freezing time.

MisterMastermind · #22 06-10-2006, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Just disabled v2 on Zone because everyone who was using it was trial (at least the accounts I have checked).
I don't see how v4 input can be slower, it uses the same code for those things. The scripting has been changed slightly, but that can be changed, if you have suggestions for improving the movement and shooting.

I have 3-4 gold/VIP accounts that I'd gladly renew again and again if you would kindly re-add V2. As for what jesse said, it's exactly right. I spent 1,000 hours honing my skill on a server only to have my strategy not work when the new version was introduced. The only problem I see is that V2 you can glitch things. Just take away explosives from V2 and everybody happy.

Zulu15 · #23 06-11-2006, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jkool666

What me and Typhoon have a problem with is being faster then the controls allow. Meaning on V2, we might hit space, then hit the up and left key to get away from fire and move to a different position and shoot again, maybe hiting down. But with V4, it being slower then we are, we would have hit down and shot but V4 still thinks we are back at up/left. This causes GREAT inconvenience. Its basically like re-learning how to fight. (I think thats the problem you have, right Typh?)

Exactly, this is the first instance I've ever in which a machine has a lower reaction time than us. At any rate, playing V4 after you spent so much time on V2 is like, well, doing Weed after you've done crack for 10 years. Or like, killing 200 people with a plastic sword, when you used to do it with a lightsaber(Real one, no K-Mart BS). Or, heh, dare I say, trying to kill Becan on GK with your punches as a pure mage(Though I managed to do that once...or did I dream it?)

MisterMastermind · #24 06-11-2006, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Zulu15

Exactly, this is the first instance I've ever in which a machine has a lower reaction time than us. At any rate, playing V4 after you spent so much time on V2 is like, well, doing Weed after you've done crack for 10 years. Or like, killing 200 people with a plastic sword, when you used to do it with a lightsaber(Real one, no K-Mart BS). Or, heh, dare I say, trying to kill Becan on GK with your punches as a pure mage(Though I managed to do that once...or did I dream it?)

It's like being a paid assasin, and having to use a shotgun at sniper range or trying to sneak cocaine past a crack dog. It just doesn't work well unfortunately...

Raeiphon · #25 06-11-2006, 01:30 PM

urfatlol

xXziroXx · #26 06-11-2006, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jkool666

What me and Typhoon have a problem with is being faster then the controls allow. Meaning on V2, we might hit space, then hit the up and left key to get away from fire and move to a different position and shoot again, maybe hiting down. But with V4, it being slower then we are, we would have hit down and shot but V4 still thinks we are back at up/left. This causes GREAT inconvenience. Its basically like re-learning how to fight. (I think thats the problem you have, right Typh?)

That sounds more like bad internet connection too me, and thats usually caused by downloading lots of stuff while i.e. playing an online game.

Raeiphon · #27 06-11-2006, 01:50 PM

uralsofatlol

xXziroXx · #28 06-11-2006, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Raeiphon

uralsofatlol

So? What if I am fat? Then I wouldnt care. You suck at insulting people.

Admins · #29 06-11-2006, 02:15 PM

v4 has always been much faster and responsive for me so I cannot really believe that you are faster with v2, the only thing that could be different is freezing time because v2 handled the list of script objects in a different way.

MisterMastermind · #30 06-11-2006, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

v4 has always been much faster and responsive for me so I cannot really believe that you are faster with v2, the only thing that could be different is freezing time because v2 handled the list of script objects in a different way.

It must be the freezing time then, that's a major issue. The freeze time stops us from turning and shooting another direction very fast. In any way, zone combat should stay the same as it is in V2.

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Originally Posted by xXziroXx

That sounds more like bad internet connection too me, and thats usually caused by downloading lots of stuff while i.e. playing an online game.

I download nothing, have nothing running aside from graal, that includes explorer.exe itself. I've also have a decent DSL connection.

jkool666 · #31 06-12-2006, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterMastermind

It must be the freezing time then, that's a major issue. The freeze time stops us from turning and shooting another direction very fast. In any way, zone combat should stay the same as it is in V2.

I download nothing, have nothing running aside from graal, that includes explorer.exe itself. I've also have a decent DSL connection.

What he said... Its ONLY Zone I have this problem... Era, UN, and Zodiac I have no problems so yeah, must be the freeze time.

Crono · #32 06-12-2006, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

The freezing time could be reduced then, if it makes the weapons more balanced

You ignored my question about trials. I feel discriminated. :'(

Sulukra · #33 06-12-2006, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Gerami

You ignored my question about trials. I feel discriminated. :'(

Stefan is paying back the trials for not paying him.

someonesomewhere · #34 06-12-2006, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Sulukra

Stefan is paying back the trials for not paying him.

That's just sad, Sulukra. A truly awful pun.

MisterMastermind · #35 06-12-2006, 06:37 AM

<3 Stefan in all of his jedi-turtle-shell-throwing glory.

Admins · #36 06-12-2006, 11:01 AM

The freezing time of which weapons should be changed then?

Raeiphon · #37 06-12-2006, 02:53 PM

Everything. Lower every weapons freeze by a little, .1 or .05.

Also, the introduction of a weapon with NO freeze (move while shooting at normal speed) would be nice too. Like a Zone version of the Era Angels.

MisterMastermind · #38 06-12-2006, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

The freezing time of which weapons should be changed then?

Every single one that got changed with V4, or just the pistols.

someonesomewhere · #39 06-12-2006, 07:47 PM

Gravitron's speed is God awful, I don't care how many thousands of bullets it'll shoot.

Also, I'd like a pistol with no freeze, shoots in a near-perfect straight line, and only does about 5 dmg. LR Pulsar speed as well.

Huwajux · #40 06-12-2006, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterMastermind

Every single one that got changed with V4, or just the pistols.

Why not the rifles also? :o