Hosted Tab Requirements

[Malinko]

Hi.

I think I created a thread like this not too long ago, but no one responded, I guess. Though, once upon a time, long long long ago, Spark911 created the requirements to be on the Hosted tab, which can be found here.

In the recent weeks, I've heard complaints that the requirements are too vague and there should be detailed, specific things for requirements, rather than the current requirements which are listed within the thread I linked.

So, since none of the members of the Playerworld Administration care to help with requirements, I'm going to ask the GraalOnline community.

What do you think is fair to be on the Hosted tab? Even if you don't own your own world, what would you expect to see from the Hosted tab? Keep in mind, the Hosted tab can only be seen by Gold/VIP members and it's a benefit, so it should have a lot of active, nice worlds wanting to release to the Classic tab.

The reason I am posting this thread, because, a lot of people who attempt to have an inspection end up with two results:
1) Failed without an explaination on why the world failed, but in general, with the document of listings, the rules state a lot of worlds can go to the Hosted tab (even though they are failed for some odd reason?)
2) Don't even get inspected.

So like I said, what do you expect from the Hosted tab? What are fair requirements?

[Thallen]

This is Graal. If people are expecting something brand new and unique on each server, they should play another game. Servers are defined by very simple things, for instance, N-Pulse for sparring, UN for PKing and events, and Maloria for RPG-style play. All I ask of a hosted world is that it have clean levels, scripts, and graphics, and have a decent organization toward staff. I think people are trying too damn hard anymore. Look at Shaded Legend, it's beautiful and has a unique concept, while still servers like UN, N-Pulse, and Classic thrive.

[Malinko]

Originally Posted by Thallen

Look at Shaded Legend, it's beautiful and has a unique concept, while still servers like UN, N-Pulse, and Classic thrive.

Shaded Legend is quite nice, I know the world is re-developing too. I don't see the reason people aren't there as well, but I'm guessing the Shaded Legend staff should be able to advertise their world because it's nice. A lot of people would be on the game if there were more players. So grab some friends and play there, maybe it'll grow.

[Darlene159]

Wow, I thought the hosted tab requirements would be more strict then that, beings there has been next to nothing added to hosted, but the requirements are quite tame.
There are alot of people working on PW's, why aren't there more on hosted?
I am curious, is it that people are not asking for inspections? Or is it because they are being denied?
Based on the requirements, it just seems like there should be more added to hosted.

Anyway, I don't think the requirements should be too strict. I think they are fine the way they are, simple.
I just think the inspections need to not be so harsh (going by complaints I have heard)

[xXziroXx]

The lack of Hosted servers are unbeliveable.

And I think as soon as you logon a server, you get your mind set on if its good or bad.. even though the server chanegs alot, you might never return since you got a bad impression the last time.

[Warcaptain]

Why would anyone care about being hosted? All it means is that you show up on the server list.. but you still have to pay..

What are the requirements for CLASSIC list.

[Tom]

I suppose the requirements on sparks list are a little vague, but how much more detail can you actually go into?

[Malinko]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Wow, I thought the hosted tab requirements would be more strict then that, beings there has been next to nothing added to hosted, but the requirements are quite tame.
There are alot of people working on PW's, why aren't there more on hosted?
I am curious, is it that people are not asking for inspections? Or is it because they are being denied?
Based on the requirements, it just seems like there should be more added to hosted.

Anyway, I don't think the requirements should be too strict. I think they are fine the way they are, simple.
I just think the inspections need to not be so harsh (going by complaints I have heard)

There are a lot of inspection requests, wish someone would do them.

Originally Posted by Warcaptain

Why would anyone care about being hosted? All it means is that you show up on the server list.. but you still have to pay..

What are the requirements for CLASSIC list.

It's listed in the Playerworld Related Information.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

The lack of Hosted servers are unbeliveable.

And I think as soon as you logon a server, you get your mind set on if its good or bad.. even though the server chanegs alot, you might never return since you got a bad impression the last time.

Thats because some people judge them like a food critic judges dinner, or they simply don't do the inspection.
I've also been getting some strange resopnces from one of the PWAs...
There should be a lot more servers on hosted.

[Malinko]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

Thats because some people judge them like a food critic judges dinner, or they simply don't do the inspection.
I've also been getting some strange resopnces from one of the PWAs...
There should be a lot more servers on hosted.

No one knows until it is experienced.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Malinko

There are a lot of inspection requests, wish someone would do them.

Hmm, maybe it isn't the requirements to become hosted that needs to be changed.

[Thallen]

You're the only active PWA, express your power and vote Babylon online or something. Didn't you say it would be Classic in March, anyway?

[Prozac]

Originally Posted by Malinko

It's listed in the Playerworld Related Information.

link please, to classic tab requirement list? hosted gets the most popular server, zodiac, what - 10 or maybe 15 players at most? classic is what any serious pw developer should aim for.

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by Thallen

You're the only active PWA, express your power and vote Babylon online or something. Didn't you say it would be Classic in March, anyway?

lol first quote i had to use, this is gold.

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Hmm, maybe it isn't the requirements to become hosted that needs to be changed.

I agree with your super hidden message here.
Only problem is that graal isnt really losing money from the current PWA Team, people have to re-reg servers to wait for reviews still (Wow, thats at least 6 months to a year waiting for a review).

PWA Was always chosen in some odd ways anyways.
Wasnt the requirement in the big major hiring having like, the most classic list playerworld managers backing your submission?

Graal needs to be far less of a popularity contest, and far more a buisness.
I have checked out so many of the servers on the Hosted and UC list, and I tell them they are doing a great job.

You probably would not be suprised by some of the responces I have gotten.

Lots of peoples motivation is crumbling because no one else will go check out these worlds.

[protagonist]

Originally Posted by Malinko

There are a lot of inspection requests, wish someone would do them.

*shrug*

I'm always around. I don't especially need a global RC to inspect a playerworld.

[Infernix]

Currently what is uploaded on Shaded Legend is in no way a good server.

-Horrible Looks
-Horrible Classic Graal Gameplay
-Amazing quest(That only last you maybe 2 days thus leave you nothing to do afterwards)

Classic players who arnt gold or VIP dont have time to experience Hosted servers making them just as useless to them as the servers they cannot see.

[xAndrewx]

Originally Posted by Infernix

Currently what is uploaded on Shaded Legend is in no way a good server.

-Horrible Looks
-Horrible Classic Graal Gameplay
-Amazing quest(That only last you maybe 2 days thus leave you nothing to do afterwards)

Classic players who arnt gold or VIP dont have time to experience Hosted servers making them just as useless to them as the servers they cannot see.

was you fired from SL?

What're the classic tab requirements?

[Malinko]

Originally Posted by protagonist

*shrug*

I'm always around. I don't especially need a global RC to inspect a playerworld.

The point is, no one inspects worlds.

As I said, the Classic tab requirements are listed in the Playerworld Related Information sub-forum, within the Playerworlds Main Forums. http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=51043

It's not hard at all to get on the Classic tab, but a lot of worlds attempt so hard to make something so intense when it doesn't need to be. Plus, a lot of the members of the Playerworld Administration expect too much, rather than look at the official document, thus the reason this thread was created, there needs to be changed. Two choices, there needs to be a lot of Classic/Hosted worlds add or a new list of requirements needs to be created, because it's unfair to those who apply for Classic/Hosted tab and fail because of biased opinion, when they know they fit the requirements, since it's listed.

[Thallen]

Originally Posted by Malinko

The point is, no one inspects worlds.

As I said, the Classic tab requirements are listed in the Playerworld Related Information sub-forum, within the Playerworlds Main Forums. http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=51043

It's not hard at all to get on the Classic tab, but a lot of worlds attempt so hard to make something so intense when it doesn't need to be. Plus, a lot of the members of the Playerworld Administration expect too much, rather than look at the official document, thus the reason this thread was created, there needs to be changed. Two choices, there needs to be a lot of Classic/Hosted worlds add or a new list of requirements needs to be created, because it's unfair to those who apply for Classic/Hosted tab and fail because of biased opinion, when they know they fit the requirements, since it's listed.

So if Stefan and unixmad had any damn clue what their players want, or if Spark would actually do something rather than fill a position, maybe things would get done. Nothing ever happens when it comes to playerworld, because the PWA is garbage, and ultimately, that's Stefan and unixmad's fault. They aren't in touch with the community at all, while they are up to making Graal three-dimensional, people are only looking for some place new, or some place old to be brought back. Is it so hard to inspect a playerworld? No. So then why in the hell do I not see GrowlZ (who is a friend, but I still must admit has kind of let me down as PWA), HoudiniMan, and Bjorn doing anything? After a while, it starts to piss me off. You're looking to have servers on the Hosted tab. Who uses the Hosted tab? We want servers on the Classic tab. Nothing ever changes...

Originally Posted by Malinko

The requirements for the Classic tab are listed there, people can read it, and APPLY for the Classic tab. Most people who request an inspection request for the Hosted tab, which I can not change. Sure, I can recommend and be like, "Whoa! This is a nice world, I think the Classic tab requirements are made, let's just be Classic rather than Hosted." Though, it does NOT work like that. A lot of the worlds that apply for the Hosted tab due meet the OFFICIAL Classic tab requirements, but the world is un-finished, as they call it, like being 25%, but waiting to finish it, thinking being on the Hosted tab will attract the more staff, which works in some cases, but not in others. I'm generally wanting more worlds to be on the Hosted tab and Classic tab, there is a lot of potential, a lot of worlds can make it there, but I'm asking why isn't there? Do people want to change the rules? Are they fair? I want owners of worlds who have failed inspection to post their thoughts on why their world was failed. I mean, I have access to read those who fail worlds, but I am wondering why it's failed, since I don't get it, the worlds failed, hell, I pass them because they do meet the requirements. That's what counts, not our biased opinion. In addition, I want others to post what they expect from a Hosted and/or Classic world, what they are waiting for. It is a Gold/VIP benefit, so having the job, we should work hard to make sure it's a benefit, rather than seeing it be a waste of space. Things need to change, that's what the thread is for. If you have a world you think should be on Hosted or Classic, tell us right here, and I'll cite the specific rules and requirements to see if they are meet, which almost 90% of them meet, but still fail, which is what I want to point out.

Why isn't Babylon Hosted/Classic?

[Malinko]

Originally Posted by Thallen

So if Stefan and unixmad had any damn clue what their players want, or if Spark would actually do something rather than fill a position, maybe things would get done. Nothing ever happens when it comes to playerworld, because the PWA is garbage, and ultimately, that's Stefan and unixmad's fault. They aren't in touch with the community at all, while they are up to making Graal three-dimensional, people are only looking for some place new, or some place old to be brought back. Is it so hard to inspect a playerworld? No. So then why in the hell do I not see GrowlZ (who is a friend, but I still must admit has kind of let me down as PWA), HoudiniMan, and Bjorn doing anything? After a while, it starts to piss me off. You're looking to have servers on the Hosted tab. Who uses the Hosted tab? We want servers on the Classic tab. Nothing ever changes...

The requirements for the Classic tab are listed there, people can read it, and APPLY for the Classic tab. Most people who request an inspection request for the Hosted tab, which I can not change. Sure, I can recommend and be like, "Whoa! This is a nice world, I think the Classic tab requirements are made, let's just be Classic rather than Hosted." Though, it does NOT work like that. A lot of the worlds that apply for the Hosted tab due meet the OFFICIAL Classic tab requirements, but the world is un-finished, as they call it, like being 25%, but waiting to finish it, thinking being on the Hosted tab will attract the more staff, which works in some cases, but not in others. I'm generally wanting more worlds to be on the Hosted tab and Classic tab, there is a lot of potential, a lot of worlds can make it there, but I'm asking why isn't there? Do people want to change the rules? Are they fair? I want owners of worlds who have failed inspection to post their thoughts on why their world was failed. I mean, I have access to read those who fail worlds, but I am wondering why it's failed, since I don't get it, the worlds failed, hell, I pass them because they do meet the requirements. That's what counts, not our biased opinion. In addition, I want others to post what they expect from a Hosted and/or Classic world, what they are waiting for. It is a Gold/VIP benefit, so having the job, we should work hard to make sure it's a benefit, rather than seeing it be a waste of space. Things need to change, that's what the thread is for. If you have a world you think should be on Hosted or Classic, tell us right here, and I'll cite the specific rules and requirements to see if they are meet, which almost 90% of them meet, but still fail, which is what I want to point out.

[Infernix]

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

was you fired from SL?

What're the classic tab requirements?

I worked on SL twice actually, first some GhostHawked blamed somthin on me and get more fired and 2nd Matrix wanted me to work on somthing and I wouldnt because it was a horrible idea. (That and they refused to use Angelus' ideas so I rlly didnt care about them anymore)

But yea I rlly hold no grudge against SL considering that its just a job on graal and Ive had so many ive lost count. I always thought they had a good story but knew they were lacking everywhere else.

[protagonist]

Originally Posted by Malinko

The point is, no one inspects worlds.

As I said, the Classic tab requirements are listed in the Playerworld Related Information sub-forum, within the Playerworlds Main Forums. http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=51043

It's not hard at all to get on the Classic tab, but a lot of worlds attempt so hard to make something so intense when it doesn't need to be. Plus, a lot of the members of the Playerworld Administration expect too much, rather than look at the official document, thus the reason this thread was created, there needs to be changed. Two choices, there needs to be a lot of Classic/Hosted worlds add or a new list of requirements needs to be created, because it's unfair to those who apply for Classic/Hosted tab and fail because of biased opinion, when they know they fit the requirements, since it's listed.

I get this. What I'm saying is that if you want to use me as a sort of temp if nobody else is working, I'd be fine with it. Or if you want to badger Stefan to take me back, that would be fine too.

My schedule is far more relaxed than it was at the end of highschool/first semester of college. It sounds like you guys need PWAs. But anyway.

[Prozac]

some big questions :

If the playerworld you bought makes it to the hosted tab, does the renewal fee (60 for 6 months or 100 for a year) get waived?
Same question but for the classic tab ... and since your content, being hosted or classic, is making money for graal, if a trial account signs up, has anyone ever made any money with the referral link system?
if not, then why make content for free that someone else will profit from?

and have any playerworlds on the hosted tab ever made it to the classic tab?

if so, which ones?
if not, why did those worlds get removed from the hosted tab?

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by Warcaptain

Why would anyone care about being hosted? All it means is that you show up on the server list.. but you still have to pay..

What are the requirements for CLASSIC list.

Because some servers might need more staff members to even have a chance to create a good enough playerworld for going classic.

And beeing on the Hosted tab, your chances of getting quallifyed staff increase drasticly.

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by protagonist

I get this. What I'm saying is that if you want to use me as a sort of temp if nobody else is working, I'd be fine with it. Or if you want to badger Stefan to take me back, that would be fine too.

My schedule is far more relaxed than it was at the end of highschool/first semester of college. It sounds like you guys need PWAs. But anyway.

I actually would have said the same thing if it didnt seem like I was trying to beg my way into that kind of a position (Having no former global experince myself, anyways).

I am done with college and dont do much else besides just sit around the house. I was hoping there would be some kind of (Key words coming up) fair hiring again. Seems like that last one has been years passed by now isnt it?

[protagonist]

Originally Posted by Andy0687

I actually would have said the same thing if it didnt seem like I was trying to beg my way into that kind of a position (Having no former global experince myself, anyways).

I am done with college and dont do much else besides just sit around the house. I was hoping there would be some kind of (Key words coming up) fair hiring again. Seems like that last one has been years passed by now isnt it?

To be honest, I think that the PWA is based on the wrong sort of concept. There should be two different positions here: global police (e.g., what the PWA is now) and Playerworld Inspectors, which would be a team of 10 or so individuals who do not have RC and exist solely to inspect playerworlds and give their opinions. They would not necessarily hold any power whatsoever, but instead would review and give opinions on playerworlds. In case some members of the PI team did not show up, or became inactive, the PWA members could step in and fill in votes. A pass for hosted would be a 5/10 to a 7/10, and 7/10 and above would be classic.

Also, playerworlds would be judged solely on their playability and how they would market to players, and not on the fanciness of their graphics or whatever. With a team of 10 players, you could inspect a world over a couple of days and get a good sense of how well a group of players would attach to the server (is it too spread out? etc.). With PWA, and usually only one PWA at a time, this becomes more a "Let's show the PWA all our good stuff" and less a "Let's let the team get a general feel for the server so they can make an accurate judgement on how this will go over with players".


Anyway, just a couple of thoughts.

[CidNight1142]

Originally Posted by protagonist

etc

Sounds like a pretty good idea. Apparently, the current job of the PWA is too time consuming for them to give very much attention at all to playerworld inspections. So why not let them do what they do and get other people who's sole job is to help with inspections?

[Malinko]

All interesting suggestions, which I will pass on to unixmad and Stefan, whenever I can.

I think that's a bunch of bull**** to be honest. Pardon the language, but stating that the job is "too time consuming" is such an excuse. If it is, then what is the reason for keeping the job? If you want to do the job, you should make time to do the job, it's that simple. If you can't be online to do your job as much as you need to, then leave the damn job. They are just being lazy.

Actually, an open hiring is something I have been discussing. Vulcan and I have been talking about this for a while, and will pass it on to Stefan. Also, another thing I have personally talked with Stefan, but that's something I won't mention. I'll give a short example, but if a world makes it to the Hosted tab, there should be an "x" amount of weeks/months to develop to make it to the Classic tab or it will be removed. Also, whenever you're passed, there should be a random group of people gathered a few weeks later to check the world, to see if it's fun, if it's worthwhile, what is missing, help testing, etc. I think this would help the Hosted staff know what to expect when going Classic, gain staff, give motivation to keep working on the project if the world is a liked, and in general, benefit all of GraalOnline.

Of course, to do this, I think it's fair to see what people expect and want on the Hosted tab. I agree, there SHOULD be A LOT MORE worlds on the tab, but no one knows why it's not there. It's not too time consuming, it's just an excuse to be lazy for some people. And to all PWA, yes, yes I am talking **** about you, deal with it.

[Moondeath_2]

Same thing Protagonist said a global RC wouldn't be needed though and I'm on graal alot. And the fact I have alot of time on my hands and servers trust me enough already so getting RC wouldn't be a problem to check them out.