Graal & Cursing & all such other perverted things.

adam · #1 01-13-2006, 09:27 AM

It's all over in graal, on pretty much every server.

Profanity, and Sexual conduct that is just completely perverted and un-called for.

I can script, I know we can block it out, censor it, report it, and altogether, stop 90% of it in one shot if we tried.

Is it so un-important to the games creators that they don't require it at all?

I mean, how much credibility do you lose right there.

#1 arrive on a playerworld
#2 get cussed at
#3 get "raped"
#4 the GP says he didn't see it. or can't be everywhere at once.

This 'can' be prevented. Why hasn't it been?

Rick · #2 01-13-2006, 09:50 AM

It's very difficult to prevent such behavior.

Crono · #3 01-13-2006, 10:22 AM

It's -stupid- to prevent such behavior. Seriously, nobody likes to be censored and by doing this people will not play. So what if someone gets pk and the pker uses the pull ani on the "dead body"? No one really cares too much.

Cursing is the most retarded thing to block out. I don't see -why- we can't say ****, ****, etc. Hell Graal 2001 itself had the npc bomies saying something along the lines of "THEY EVEN EAT AND ****" so why can't we?

xAndrewx · #4 01-13-2006, 10:48 AM

It's bad I agree, but you're taking graal too far if you're finding this a serious problem.

Darklux · #5 01-13-2006, 10:53 AM

Most players are young and dont really care for that.

See the osbournes on tv: he says "f*ck" as every 2nd word.
Why should they think cussing is bad?

Admins · #6 01-13-2006, 03:29 PM

Most servers use word filters, maybe contact the staff if you see something bad which is not filtered ?

icemaster · #7 01-13-2006, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Most servers use word filters, maybe contact the staff if you see something bad which is not filtered ?

lots of stuff arent filtered lol, and many people find away around filter anyway

filtering wont stop it, i guarantee it

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Originally Posted by Gerami

Seriously, nobody likes to be censored and by doing this people will not play.

hes completely right (his whole post is right, but i didnt feel like having a huge post so i took the important line outta his post)

Darlene159 · #8 01-13-2006, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Most servers use word filters, maybe contact the staff if you see something bad which is not filtered ?

Using a filter should be mandatory on the PW's.
I have not seen where most use it, and the no cursing/sexual conduct rule is not inforced as it should be, probably because it takes up alot of time beings a large majority of Graal members curse, and because staff on these servers are children/young adults who curse themselves (I don't mean all staff, but a large percent of them)
I agree with adam, it has gotten really bad, and is one of the reasons I quit as Manager of NP

Can't there be a built in filter, giving the pw's no choice but to use it?

Darklux · #9 01-13-2006, 04:01 PM

Filtering doesnt help.

The younger players just change a letter or write it in leet, and there is no possibility to censore all these words.

You need to change their attitude towards flamin', censoring helps nothing.

xAndrewx · #10 01-13-2006, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

Using a filter should be mandatory on the PW's.
I have not seen where most use it, and the no cursing/sexual conduct rule is not inforced as it should be, probably because it takes up alot of time beings a large majority of Graal members curse, and because staff on these servers are children/young adults who curse themselves (I don't mean all staff, but a large percent of them)
I agree with adam, it has gotten really bad, and is one of the reasons I quit as Manager of NP

Can't there be a built in filter, giving the pw's no choice but to use it?

If that's why you quit, why didn't you fire the staff who tend to curse?

ApothiX · #11 01-13-2006, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

Using a filter should be mandatory on the PW's.
I have not seen where most use it, and the no cursing/sexual conduct rule is not inforced as it should be, probably because it takes up alot of time beings a large majority of Graal members curse, and because staff on these servers are children/young adults who curse themselves (I don't mean all staff, but a large percent of them)
I agree with adam, it has gotten really bad, and is one of the reasons I quit as Manager of NP

Can't there be a built in filter, giving the pw's no choice but to use it?

Because you know, that's exactly what we need. A glitchy filter that sometimes filters out legitimate words just because it has 'ass' or '****' within the word itself.

Servers do not need mandatory word filters, what they need is the GPs to do their jobs. GPs only purpose is to maintain 'law and order', if cussing/harassment is that much of a problem the GPs should investigate instead of shrugging it off.

Darlene159 · #12 01-13-2006, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Darklux

Filtering doesnt help.

The younger players just change a letter or write it in leet, and there is no possibility to censore all these words.

You need to change their attitude towards flamin', censoring helps nothing.

Censoring does help, but the rule needs to be inforced also to stop people from evading the filter.

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Originally Posted by xAndrewx

If that's why you quit, why didn't you fire the staff who tend to curse?

It was not the only reason I quit, and I didn't quit because staff was doing it.

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Originally Posted by ApothiX

Because you know, that's exactly what we need. A glitchy filter that sometimes filters out legitimate words just because it has 'ass' or '****' within the word itself.

Servers do not need mandatory word filters, what they need is the GPs to do their jobs. GPs only purpose is to maintain 'law and order', if cussing/harassment is that much of a problem the GPs should investigate instead of shrugging it off.

I think filtering out a few legitament words is a small price to pay for using a filter, I have never had a problem with filters that are being used on PW's

I also did say that the staff needed to inforce it, instead of ignoring it.

ApothiX · #13 01-13-2006, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

I think filtering out a few legitament words is a small price to pay for using a filter, I have never had a problem with filters that are being used on PW's

What exactly does filtering help? People who are offended by the cussing will know what they are saying anyway.

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Person One: "you are such an ***"
Person Two: "OMG NOW I SEE THREE STARS INSTEAD OF THE WORD I ALREADY KNOW IT IS: 'ass'"

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

I also did say that the staff needed to inforce it, instead of ignoring it.

You were giving reasons as to why staff were not inforcing the rule, which lead me to believe you are for that.

Darlene159 · #14 01-13-2006, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ApothiX

What exactly does filtering help? People who are offended by the cussing will know what they are saying anyway.

Doesn't matter, you cannot see the word, at the very least it is more professional for a game that people pay for.

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You were giving reasons as to why staff were not inforcing the rule, which lead me to believe you are for that.

I also said it was not inforced as it should be, making the game less enjoyable for those of us that do not wish to be cursed at, sexually harrassed, and so on...
The reasons that I gave were just my opinion as to why the rule may not be being inforced as it should be.

ApothiX · #15 01-13-2006, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

Doesn't matter, you cannot see the word, at the very least it is more professional for a game that people pay for.

Graal is for the most part, about the community. Preventing people from saying what they feel will disrupt the community, in my opinion. It is like real life, if you don't like what someone is saying, walk away. If they follow you, you report it as harassment to the authorities. If they don't look into it, you report the neglegence to a Playerworld Administrator.

Admins · #16 01-13-2006, 04:52 PM

I have seen filters on Atlantis and Era.
We also think about adding a filter in the client which can be enabled by the player or parents

ApothiX · #17 01-13-2006, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

I have seen filters on Atlantis and Era.
We also think about adding a filter in the client which can be enabled by the player or parents

Now that is an excellent idea. One thing about that though, would it also filter out showtext() text? (Some playerworlds have a custom message system that uses this.)

adam · #18 01-13-2006, 05:21 PM

A clever script could easily filter many words, and many common ways to cheat less advanced filters. And could even be used to red flag people for saying things that are commonly used with in-appropriate speech.

I went on classic, and it took me 20 minutes talking to a GP before I could find out that there actually are rules against all the things I saw within 5 minutes of getting there. I know that most of those things can be taken care of with scripts and filters.

I agree, that it should be mandatory. As you can see by the first couple replies to this, It's very accepted and expected already, It's a bad sign.

Crono · #19 01-13-2006, 05:40 PM

I don't like this idea of mandatory censorship. As long as our cursing isn't directed towards a player it should be allowed.

For example this should never be allowed:

"**** you, you ass sucking 5 dollar *****"

this should be allowed if not overused:

but "****, that was a long ass car ride"

Darlene159 · #20 01-13-2006, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

I have seen filters on Atlantis and Era.
We also think about adding a filter in the client which can be enabled by the player or parents

That is an excellent idea

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Graal is for the most part, about the community. Preventing people from saying what they feel will disrupt the community, in my opinion. It is like real life, if you don't like what someone is saying, walk away. If they follow you, you report it as harassment to the authorities. If they don't look into it, you report the neglegence to a Playerworld Administrator.

You know, some parents, and even players would not accept this, resulting in loss of business.
Not to mention, alot of times when I report something I get "Just ignore them", even when the person is following me around.

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Originally Posted by adam

As you can see by the first couple replies to this, It's very accepted and expected already, It's a bad sign.

I agree, sadly it is the same way in real life....

To Geremi: Freedom of speech should only be allowed up to a certain point.
Just like in real life, there are conseguences for everything that you do/say.
You can pretty much do/say whatever you want, but you better be able to handle the consequences for your actions afterwards....

Malinko · #21 01-13-2006, 06:48 PM

Well, I guess GraalOnline filters cursing to keep it "safe" for all users, old or young.

Of course, I think there's some sort of limit. I notice some people on playerworlds get jailed for, "You fu**ing idiot." (Well, warned for first then jailed after a while), but others don't get jailed for, "What the fu**?! That's so intense."

I guess context matters to some people.

Inspiration · #22 01-13-2006, 07:55 PM

The more we censor "bad words", the more we say they are wrong, fight them, and admonish their use, the more power we give them. Why can't people understand that?

Words are meaningless, it is the intent in which they are spoken with that gives them meaning.

Unless you can filter out a persons intent, someone can be just as offensive, mean, and cruel with "bad words" as without them.

Someone intelligent could insult and demean you way worse, without using a single curse word, than a 12 year old that says "i ****ed ur mom u ***git".

Yen · #23 01-13-2006, 08:43 PM

:[ Moonie doesn't like cussing. She wanted to fire me for saying 'How the **** can you not get this?' to some idjit who didn't understand the difference between events and conditions...

After I had spent 2 1/2 hours explaining and giving examples, over and over.

WanDaMan · #24 01-13-2006, 09:41 PM

After actually reading the thread I decided to edit my post.

If a filter was going to be added, then there should be an option to use it or not. Shouting obscenities makes the game more fun.

contiga · #25 01-13-2006, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

We also think about adding a filter in the client which can be enabled by the player or parents

Lol! Most people that play Graal have parent's that don't realy care about what their doing, since their on all day, why would they disable cursing for their 13+ year old son/daughter xD

Yen · #26 01-13-2006, 10:08 PM

Oh yeah, forgot to mention..

I think the built in cuss filter should be optional. Personally, I prefer to know which obscenities are being hurled at me.
You wouldn't believe how much you can surmise about someone's intelligence from their insults.
If you receive a list of randomly placed cuss-words, it's safe to assume the person is a retard.
On the other hand, if they throw a string of well placed cusses at you, you can assume the opposite.

ApothiX · #27 01-13-2006, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

Not to mention, alot of times when I report something I get "Just ignore them", even when the person is following me around.

Then perhaps you should read my entire post before replying. If you did, you would have noticed I made a comment about what to do if the person is following you.

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Originally Posted by contiga

Lol! Most people that play Graal have parent's that don't realy care about what their doing, since their on all day, why would they disable cursing for their 13+ year old son/daughter xD

I have come to believe that you haven't even read the thread at all. If no one cared, then this thread would never have been made. "Think->Post"

napo_p2p · #28 01-13-2006, 10:40 PM

I thought that there was a built-in wordfilter that playerworlds can choose to implement? It even filters PMs I believe.

Flares · #29 01-13-2006, 11:49 PM

Cursing used to be heavily enforced on UN say one and a half to two years ago. We even at one point used to have a filter system that would send to RC every explicit word sent through chat.

UN nowadays though is not enforced anywhere near as heavily as it was. In short, we grew out of it, and learned to allow it if it does not get out of hand.

Darlene159 · #30 01-14-2006, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ApothiX

Then perhaps you should read my entire post before replying. If you did, you would have noticed I made a comment about what to do if the person is following you.

uh, I basically said:
1) Get harrassed
2) Move to another area to get away from harrassment
3) Person follows and continues harrassing
3) Report to staff
4) Gets told "Just ignore him/her", and recieves no punishment for continuing the behavior
5) Cycle continues until person gets bored and quits

The point is, alot of staff ignore the behavior, and it's kinda sad to have to run and get a global for things staff should be taking care of.

I agree with their being a filter that is optional on client for parents or players to use...at least if a person does not wish to see the garbage that spews out of these young kids mouths (or fingers), they will have that option.

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Originally Posted by Yen

:[ Moonie doesn't like cussing. She wanted to fire me for saying 'How the **** can you not get this?' to some idjit who didn't understand the difference between events and conditions...

After I had spent 2 1/2 hours explaining and giving examples, over and over.

Paying attention would benefit you....that was not the sole reason I was upset, it had alot to do with the way you treat people, but I really don't wish to get into that discussion here.

PrinceDark · #31 01-15-2006, 07:12 AM

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// Stuff by Xaviour
Unless you can filter out a persons intent, someone can be just as offensive, mean, and cruel with "bad words" as without them.

Definitely. Not everyone needs cuss words to be offensive. I can say more offensive comments without cusswords than I do with them. From what I've seen the current filter works just fine. The staff just need to enfore rules. If GPs don't care to enforce them, then they shouldn't be staff.

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// Stuff by Moonie
Just like in real life, there are conseguences for everything that you do/say.
You can pretty much do/say whatever you want, but you better be able to handle the consequences for your actions afterwards....

Pfft. Can't compare. In real life we have lawyers to defend freedom of speech rights and most of the time they win.

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// Stuff by Yen
... I prefer to know which obscenities are being hurled at me.
You wouldn't believe how much you can surmise about someone's intelligence from their insults.
If you receive a list of randomly placed cuss-words, it's safe to assume the person is a retard.
On the other hand, if they throw a string of well placed cusses at you, you can assume the opposite.

Haha. You actually got a good point on that. It probably won't hold much to this discussion, but it is so true.

Eagle · #32 01-15-2006, 08:19 AM

A mandatory filter is just about the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Let people do whatever the hell they want to do.

GP's have a purpose you know. I bet about 90% of the players could care less if they saw a curse word, as they are apart of most people's vocabulary.

Matthew White · #33 01-15-2006, 09:30 AM

It's ridiculous to remove all filters. You have to realize that even though we're not, some children play this game. It's not all disgruntled middle aged and young adults, there are young kids! And to them, seeing some idiot sit in the trade room belching on about all of the **** and **** he's seeing on this website while his parents aren't home, or what a mother*** ***** dog-*** **** **** plastic toy ** ***** **** *******in the refigerator his girlfriend is, can be very disturbing, and confusing, and when the parents hear tell, bye bye customers, hello hate-mail!

Raeiphon · #34 01-15-2006, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthew White

It's ridiculous to remove all filters. You have to realize that even though we're not, some children play this game. It's not all disgruntled middle aged and young adults, there are young kids! And to them, seeing some idiot sit in the trade room belching on about all of the **** and **** he's seeing on this website while his parents aren't home, or what a mother*** ***** dog-*** **** **** plastic toy ** ***** **** *******in the refigerator his girlfriend is, can be very disturbing, and confusing, and when the parents hear tell, bye bye customers, hello hate-mail!

I'm seriously considering quoting that, it's probably the funniest thing i've ever read to date.. XD

davidpsy · #35 01-15-2006, 12:21 PM

I really see nothing wrong morally with cussing, but I understand that it is tabooed.

Crono · #36 01-15-2006, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthew White

It's ridiculous to remove all filters.

UR WRONG OLOL!!

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You have to realize that even though we're not, some children play this game. It's not all disgruntled middle aged and young adults, there are young kids!

We know. On GK there is also blood and bones but no one complains right?

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And to them, seeing some idiot sit in the trade room belching on about all of the **** and **** he's seeing on this website while his parents aren't home, or what a mother*** ***** dog-*** **** **** plastic toy ** ***** **** *******in the refigerator his girlfriend is, can be very disturbing, and confusing

No it can't. Not only that but it's typical for anyone over 10 to know this kinda stuff. Even if they don't it's not going to scar them for the rest of their life. We all didn't know these words and had ti learn somehow, why not make it a game they actually play ;D

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and when the parents hear tell, bye bye customers, hello hate-mail!

No, I don't think so. Most young young kids who play graal aren't upgraded. Even if they were, their parents would know what kinda game they are playing. I wouldn't mind cleansing graal of little immature kids who giggle and suicide because someone said ****.

Yen · #37 01-15-2006, 09:08 PM

Pff. In three years, kids'll be watching Sesame Street, and then..
'The word of the day is ****! Can you spell ****? F.. U..'

My French teacher was going on about how cool it was that they said **** on Degrassi, while now a days **** is every 5th word on pretty much any TV show.
The chances of anyone being offended by cussing in this age is extremely low.

davidpsy · #38 01-15-2006, 09:20 PM

Well good, and maybe then it won't become so socially tabooed.

Corp1 · #39 01-20-2006, 09:28 AM

OMG PEOPLE ARE CURSING!

Grow up, the older you get the more you curse and think of perverted crap...I actually think that Graal is pretty clean compared to what I hear and see everyday. Graal is clean enough already, you people that think otherwise need to come out of that protective shield you are under.

Graal is fine, no other filters are needed...(end thread here)

Darlene159 · #40 01-20-2006, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Corp1

OMG PEOPLE ARE CURSING!

Grow up, the older you get the more you curse and think of perverted crap...I actually think that Graal is pretty clean compared to what I hear and see everyday. Graal is clean enough already, you people that think otherwise need to come out of that protective shield you are under.

Graal is fine, no other filters are needed...(end thread here)

Not everyone thinks the same way as you do.
I am 40, I dont type curse words (although I do curse in R/L), I don't type or do perverted things on Graal, I don't run around sexually harrassing players.
To say the older a person gets, the more they do these things is complete fabrication.
Graal is cleaner then R/L because of the filters, and the staff that do their jobs, but it could be better.