Versus (Eagle and I)

[Mykel]

Eagle and I have continued with our making of the server Versus. We are using the main island that was originally made by Wan and then added onto by our server admin (spanky) and our LAT Admin (Genesis).

The levels on the server were not solely made by Wan, and the levels are property of Graal Online, and the original server, which is Versus. Eagle is the owner of the server for Versus, therefore the content that is uploaded on his server is under his management, no one else's. Obviously, considering the content was uploaded onto a Graal Online server, it is the property of Graal Online, and no one actually owns the content. However, considering the content was uploaded onto Eagle's server, he is the representative for the content.

This has been run by multiple globals, including the PWA, and it has been approved. You can't just get on a server and delete something you made for that server because you no longer work for them. Your materials you make for that server belong to: firstly: Graal Online. after that the server of which they are uploaded on are in charge of management of the content and they are granted the use of the content.

Example:
If I made levels for Delteria, but was fired for [lets say RC abuse], I can not make sure that all of my content is erased off of Delteria. First of all, because I have no ownership of the content. It belogs to Graal Online firstly, then it is allowed use on Delteria.

I understand that this will turn into a big war about who gets what, but Eagle and I have been granted permission to use the content that was uploaded on Eagle's server. Eagle is responsible for the content, and graal online owns the content. This thread's sole purpose is to explain what has happened. In a week or two either I or Eagle will make a post about the updates in the developmental process in Versus.

It has also come to my attention that the Versus levels have been uploaded to another server. I would greatly appreciate it if a PWA or global staff member could check out this issue and sort it out. Thanks.

Long story short: A manager can't just take content and move it to another server. Could you imagine if NeoJenova removed UN's overworld and then moved it to another server that he was working on? The content will be managed by Versus. More updates to come.

[xAndrewx]

So, Antony didn't make the levels?
Genesis and Spanky did? I thought them two just used their pre-defined objects someone scripted for them.
Anyhow, they're on Futura. They were removed from Versus before they were uploaded. You're technically stealing my playerworlds content. I'd like for you to remove it.
Evidence:
xAndrewx saved file versus/illuminati2_a01.nw
Time:Mon Nov 28 18:46:36 2005
This was 2 days ago. Thank you.

[Mykel]

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

So, Antony didn't make the levels?
Genesis and Spanky did? I thought them two just used their pre-defined objects someone scripted for them.
Anyhow, they're on Futura. They were removed from Versus before they were uploaded. You're technically stealing my playerworlds content. I'd like for you to remove it.
Evidence:
xAndrewx saved file versus/illuminati2_a01.nw
Time:Mon Nov 28 18:46:36 2005
This was 2 days ago. Thank you.

You are kidding, right?

We aren't playing a game where you say IT WAS UPLOADED HERE FIRST!. The content was on Versus, and was deleted. We aren't the ones stealing, you are.

Anyway, if a mod would kindly close this thread, because we all know what this is going to turn into. This thread is purely for informative issues, and there is nothing wrong with making it. I don't want it to turn into a flame war. Thanks.

And no, Antony didn't make all of the levels. Thanks though.

[xAndrewx]

Originally Posted by Mykel

You are kidding, right?

We aren't playing a game where you say IT WAS UPLOADED HERE FIRST!. The content was on Versus, and was deleted. We aren't the ones stealing, you are.

Anyway, if a mod would kindly close this thread, because we all know what this is going to turn into. This thread is purely for informative issues, and there is nothing wrong with making it. I don't want it to turn into a flame war. Thanks.

And no, Antony didn't make all of the levels. Thanks though.

What levels didn't he make? He made the overworld, can you not see that?
Yea, it WAS on Versus. It's now on Futura. You didn't have a problem with it before, stop being a thief. Now, remove it please.

[Mykel]

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

What levels didn't he make? He made the overworld, can you not see that?
Yea, it WAS on Versus. It's now on Futura. You didn't have a problem with it before, stop being a thief. Now, remove it please.

Calling someone a theif is hardly the way to maturly try to get your point across. Especially when the levels were here first (therefore the property of Versus). Plus, Genesis made a whole town on the map. Spanky detailed and added a lot onto another town, etc.

And even had they made nothing, it doesn't matter.

[xAndrewx]

Originally Posted by Mykel

Calling someone a theif is hardly the way to maturly try to get your point across. Especially when the levels were here first (therefore the property of Versus). Plus, Genesis made a whole town on the map. Spanky detailed and added a lot onto another town, etc.

And even had they made nothing, it doesn't matter.

Wait, so now you're saying they didn't make them?
Make your mind up.
Anyway, remove the content, they're allready on Futura. You can keep the towns you edited, but not the rest. Antony has allready removed the pre-defined **** Anks did.

[Fox1545]

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

Anyhow, they're on Futura. They were removed from Versus before they were uploaded.

That does not change the fact that they were on Versus before and thus the Versus admin dudes get to use them and you do not.

You're technically stealing my playerworlds content. I'd like for you to remove it.
Evidence:
xAndrewx saved file versus/illuminati2_a01.nw
Time:Mon Nov 28 18:46:36 2005
This was 2 days ago. Thank you.

Well, you are stealing mine. Here is proof.

Loriel saved file versus/illuminate2_a01.nw
Time:Mon Sep 29 20:31:22 2001

This was some years ago. I win.

[Curt1zzle]

Technically if the work was done for Versus by Antony, the work should remain on Versus (the orriginal one).

However, if I were you Mykel, I would honor his request and remove the content since it is so early in the development process. There's no use in using something that you're going to get criticized for throughout the development process.

[Mykel]

Originally Posted by Curt1zzle

Technically if the work was done for Versus by Antony, the work should remain on Versus (the orriginal one).

However, if I were you Mykel, I would honor his request and remove the content since it is so early in the development process. There's no use in using something that you're going to get criticized for throughout the development process.

The fact is, we aren't all that far from getting the world finished. Probably 2 months away. Can you imagine that estimate with a new overworld added onto it? =/

Be it the 'honorable' thing to do or not, this thread was just created to say that we'll be using the overworld, and that we are entitled to use it.

[maximus_asinus]

I don't believe what I'm hearing (well seeing). First your playerworld splits up, then Wan decides he'll continue with it, and then you and the owner give him the boot and take all his work and call it your own? If he made the content, he can use it in whatever fashion he pleases. By hiding behind a technicality, I don't know whether to call you a coward, or a hypocrite.

[edit response]Maniaman, I would agree with you if he made a small bit, but as it stands, he made a large portion (not all, but quite a bit of it from what I've heard) and if he wishes to take his work with him, I wouldn't stop him. Now the server has the 'taint' of stolen levels, which will leave a bad taste in everyone's mouth.

[Mykel]

Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

I don't believe what I'm hearing (well seeing). First your playerworld splits up, then Wan decides he'll continue with it, and then you and the owner give him the boot and take all his work and call it your own? If he made the content, he can use it in whatever fashion he pleases. By hiding behind a technicality, I don't know whether to call you a coward, or a hypocrite.

Give him the boot? He left and deleted everything before he left. In fact, he was the one that removed his own account (and Andrew's from the server options). If a global capable of checking logs would like to come on and see the proof, they are more than welcome.

He wasn't given the boot. He left. Don't manipulate the situation.

[Maniaman]

Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

If he made the content, he can use it in whatever fashion he pleases.

The content belongs to whatever server it was first uploaded to. If he quits/is fired he can't take it with him.

[Galdor]

pfft they are verus lvls! generate you own!

[xAndrewx]

I'd rather have decent levels done by hand than have a rushed overworld using predefined NPCs.

[Mykel]

Anyway sorry for the unneeded drama. As I said this thread is just for information purposes. No matter if you see it as the right thing to do or the wrong thing to do (everyone is entitled to their individual opinion), the fact is that it is something we are allowed to do, and something we are doing.

[Curt1zzle]

The levels belong to you Mykel. That's been established.

However, are you really going to be an ass and take them simply on the technicality of them being uploaded to your server first?

KARMA TIME!

[FlaresPK]

Karma police, arrest this man.

Seriously though, it seems like you made this thread just so people would take your side and you could better justify doing what you are doing.