USDing

[Spiker]

I have a question to all you USDers out there, what the point in buying things USD, i mean come on, it makes no sense to USD items anymore, because people sell them for to much anyways, like a Row, this guy wanted like 50$ for it, WTF, who would spend 50 $ on a stupid RoW in a game. I would try and get it IN the game, because its a challange, but I would never think of spending 1000$ on Blood rings and then think about your self quiting someday, or the game dieing, Good by USD money, lol, Post WHY THE HELL you people USD items, please, thanks


-Spke

[LOA--Paul]

I've never USD'd, even if I wanted to I don't have anything worth it ;p, but I can certainly see why the people SELLING USD would do it. Haha. But as far as buying it, that seems a bit retarded to me, too.

[Zurkiba]

Some people just have to make up for their... smaller areas.

The same reasons are found in scammers.

[Draenin]

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

Some people just have to make up for their... smaller areas.

The same reasons are found in scammers.

I support SCAM. Our children need to live in a rational universe! Think of the children, Zurk! THE CHILDREN!!

[Blitz_Hunter]

rofl people actually do this? LOL

[Draenin]

People like physics teachers do. o_o

[Raziel]

Omg you all payed USD for a Graal subscription! Shame on you USDers!

[Googi]

Haha I don't know who buys this stuff? I remember Brad made a lot of money selling stuff for USD though.

[Zero Hour]

I never ask why people buy items; I just know they do.

[Googi]

Just who is it that's buying this stuff anyways?

[Zero Hour]

Originally Posted by Googi

Just who is it that's buying this stuff anyways?

Why?

[Deophite18]

I do not expect people who do not have a lot of money to understand.That is why im not going to bother explaining. Ask yourself this though. Why do celebrities spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on cars,houses jewlery etc? Because they can.

[Blitz_Hunter]

this is a game tho Xd

[Curt1zzle]

Originally Posted by Deophite18

I do not expect people who do not have a lot of money to understand.That is why im not going to bother explaining. Ask yourself this though. Why do celebrities spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on cars,houses jewlery etc? Because they can.

You sound as if you understand. Eh?

[Butz]

Originally Posted by Deophite18

I do not expect people who do not have a lot of money to understand.That is why im not going to bother explaining. Ask yourself this though. Why do celebrities spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on cars,houses jewlery etc? Because they can.

Sounds like one of those "Look at me, I have money, so I can get anything I want without working, daddy, buy me a squirrel, I want a trained squirrel, oh, she's a very bad nut, down to the garbage with her, oompa loompa song goes here sort of things. "

[Deophite18]

Hmm yes i am used to getting what i want and im not going to apologize for being well off Butz. I am lucky i know that. But that's life. And thank you for proving my point Blitz

[Draenin]

Blitz wasn't 'proving your point.' And Deo, I have a job that pays quite a lot each week, but I still don't USD stuff. Doing it just because you can is no excuse. I could go out and buy a rifle, rob a gas station, and shoot everyone I see that night like I see celebrities in movies do until I eventually get caught by the police because I can. But do I? No, because it's stupid.

[Crono]

I wish I had leet items, i'd USD them right away. And seriously, why not? It's like giving an item to a friend except the friend is giving you money for fun ;P

[lordbosh]

Originally Posted by Gerami

I wish I had leet items, i'd USD them right away. And seriously, why not? It's like giving an item to a friend except the friend is giving you money for fun ;P

I couldnt say it better myself *backstrokes through a pile of money*

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by Deophite18

I do not expect people who do not have a lot of money to understand.That is why im not going to bother explaining. Ask yourself this though. Why do celebrities spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on cars,houses jewlery etc? Because they can.

You are incorrect...
Celebrities spend money on real things... not 36x36 icons

[Zero Hour]

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

You are incorrect...
Celebrities spend money on real things... not 36x36 icons

Don't be ridiculous, they're not buying the icon. They're buying the idea that somethig makes them stronger, faster, or prettier than the other players.

If you were rolling in cash you would probably do the same when you see how (in your mind) "cheap" some of the stuff is. Besides, it's not like "OMG STEFAN FORMATTED C:!". They can always sell it again, if they wanted.

But, like I said "I'm not going to question why they buy; I just know they do".

[--Chris--]

Time = money.
Obtaining items = more time and effort than required money.
Bought items = sometimes even more resell value.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Deophite18

I do not expect people who do not have a lot of money to understand.That is why im not going to bother explaining. Ask yourself this though. Why do celebrities spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on cars,houses jewlery etc? Because they can.

Uh, we're not talking about a hundred thousand dollar car here. I think most people on Graal can come up with a hundred bucks to buy themselves some awesome gear. They don't do it because they view the concept of USDing as being a stupid one. Not because they don't have the money.

[Blitz_Hunter]

dam i need to get some rare items and USD them off for 1000$

[Chris]

Sorry, if I'm going to waste my money I'd rather it be on something tangible.

[Deophite18]

Originally Posted by Draenin

Blitz wasn't 'proving your point.' And Deo, I have a job that pays quite a lot each week, but I still don't USD stuff. Doing it just because you can is no excuse. I could go out and buy a rifle, rob a gas station, and shoot everyone I see that night like I see celebrities in movies do until I eventually get caught by the police because I can. But do I? No, because it's stupid.

So what your trying to tell me is a rich guy cant go out and buy a ferrari without even making a dent in his bank account just because he "can" Doing it because you "can" is a completly valid excuse. Please try and comprehend what i am saying. Sure you can go rob a gas station because you CAN but you wont because that is completly retarded and is not realistic and there are consequences. Are there consequences for rich people buying expensive cars and jewlery? I dont think so. So stop using *****ic examples to try and disprove what i am saying. They buy expensive things they WANT because they already have everything they already need in life and spending large ammounts of money on things they want isnt a big deal. ANd yourt wrong Googi, a lot of players dont do it because they cant afford to. THen they fall back on the excuse that its funny and ridiculous idea that other players have done it past and present.

[protagonist]

It appears blatantly obvious to me that anyone who USDs should instead put that money toward my schooling.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Deophite18

ANd yourt wrong Googi, a lot of players dont do it because they cant afford to. THen they fall back on the excuse that its funny and ridiculous idea that other players have done it past and present.

You're saying that it's beyond the ability of the vast majority of players to come up with a hundred bucks?

[Blitz_Hunter]

Originally Posted by Deophite18

So what your trying to tell me is a rich guy cant go out and buy a ferrari without even making a dent in his bank account just because he "can" Doing it because you "can" is a completly valid excuse. Please try and comprehend what i am saying. Sure you can go rob a gas station because you CAN but you wont because that is completly retarded and is not realistic and there are consequences. Are there consequences for rich people buying expensive cars and jewlery? I dont think so. So stop using *****ic examples to try and disprove what i am saying. They buy expensive things they WANT because they already have everything they already need in life and spending large ammounts of money on things they want isnt a big deal. ANd yourt wrong Googi, a lot of players dont do it because they cant afford to. THen they fall back on the excuse that its funny and ridiculous idea that other players have done it past and present.

my point was your just wasting money, its a game. sooner or later its not going to be there, what if graal shut down tomorrow? wow there went your money. Buying a car or house, is a long term thing thats actually sensible unlike wasting money on a game. If you have that kinda money why not use it to benefit yourself? o_o

[Brad]

what the hells your problem with it

we made money you didn't quit crying about it.

[TheSmu]

USDer - Has money to spend; it's like buying a new toy; saves time; why not?

Someone with good stuff who didn't USD - Was able to get the stuff without USDing by trading etc.; Doesn't really give a **** as long as his stuff is better than the stuff the USDer has.

Someone who sold his good stuff for USD - Loves USDers, probably quit the game, doesn't care anymore.

Someone who wants good stuff but can't afford with USD - Is jealous; hates USDers; comes up with stuff like "THEY DESTROY THE WHOLE GAMEPLAY" (even though scammers / bug abusers / Debaglios are even worse).

[Luigi1]

It becomes a problem when USD'ers hold all the active copies of rare items and refuse to sell them for anything other than USD. <_<

[Brad]

Originally Posted by Luigi1

It becomes a problem when USD'ers hold all the active copies of rare items and refuse to sell them for anything other than USD. <_<

we win.

go win your own prizes.

[Ziro_of_the_Turks]

After reading the first post, and before reading other posts which probably involve and argument which could effect my opinion, I have this to say:

IMHO, people USDing is a sign of how much fun a game lacks.

The problem is the end result that everyone wants. You want to have a strong character, but don't want to spend time building him up.

Of course, if there were reasonable caps (meaning the current caps on power way to big- levels, stats, items, skills, spells, etc) to everything, it wouldn't matter. At some point, you wouldn't be able to make your character stronger. You'd be at your strongest, but so would many other people- as oppose to just the people who have time to spend countless hours "playing" to get more powerful by doing the same thing over and over (dungeons and such). This is all opposing the traditional Graal idea, where at worse, you just have to do quests that seem nearly impossible to get more hearts, and get the strongest sword/shield. At least it would be 10-20 nearly impossible quests as opposed to 700,000,000,000 boring sometimes tedious dungeons.
In fact, one can be reasonably reached in a day where as the other can't. And there'd be the quests for NPCW's which aren't really as necesary.

My point is, if you buy a graal subscription, start playing, you still have to spend hundreds more USD if you want to get into what appears to be the "real" game (the real game being what everyone is doing and playing) which is probably being at a point where you can spar and PK with the majority of players and win at least 1/2 of the time.

In the opposite idea with small power caps, you can do all this either for less cost or in less time. A good player could spend a casual 2 days- 1 to make your character as strong as possible, and the second to practice and gain skill to be able to win.

[Gecko_of_the_Turks]

I bought items... Like Chris said, it saved me time which I had better things to do with. Job, friends, preping for college. In the end after spending 1.4k hours of total kingdoms playing and not getting one rare item... I saw usding as the only resource to aquire some gear. I also gave some of the gear I bought to a friend for free so he could have some good stuff. In the end there is no right or wrong way. Though I think Stefan might want a pice of this action... lol

The last sentance is totally an objective thought

[Emily_Cruddas]

It was once said that such things as graphics, scripting, and the like are the property of cyberjouers, but stefan also said in these very forums USDing is legal as long as you do it somewhere other than graal.....


Now what i have going through my head is this, why did stefan make such a nice contradictory statment like that? How would folks even KNOW you want to sell your GK items for USD? Mass it through graal of course...OH WAIT! YOUR DOING IT ON GRAAL! NOT LEGAL!


Now what? You don't just expect folks to listen when you PM them out of left field saying "Here's my aim now get on it i have to talk to you" The other person is going to call the nuthouse on you thinking your insane.

As for making the game unfair USDing sure does it and your a fool to think otherwise, Perhaps someone wants to trade quite a bit for an item that has equal or greater value, like 50 diamonds for one ring of fighting, but he gets told no, why? Because this other person is buying it for $20, yep, that sure is fair eh? It's also not safe for the buyer, way too easy to set up a scam, guy sends the money and the seller decides to NOT give the item, now your talking real world lawbreaking there. This is one reason GK needs a well deserved reset, no i don't play because the game sucks, and yea, i was good because i crafted all the best gear within 3 weeks and could have 2 RoW in a month of honest play so those that try to make pathetic comebacks of "u jest wan a reset coz you r nOOB lawlz" will look dumb. I couldn't give a damn HOW much time you spent getting that crap either.

[Brad]

if you scam USD sales you are scum and don't deserve to play

sucks to be a buyer in the legit world of GK

but rocks to be us, the players who don't play for fun, we play for profit

[Luigi1]

Originally Posted by Brad

we play for profit

You mean lie to get your items restored for free profit

[Draenin]

[Brad]

Originally Posted by Luigi1

You mean lie to get your items restored for free profit

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* a feeling of jealous envy (especially of a rival)


bohoo4u



just because I made more on graal then you probably made all year with a real life job doesn't mean you gotta cry about it. omgbradrox always remember it.