Unholy Nation

Hiro · #1 07-30-2005, 10:56 PM

[EDITS]Stefan came onto Unholy Nation. Lots of staff (Such as Spryte) have lost their RC, and there are rumors that NeoJenova would be removed from staff, and Malinko would be moved in as Mananger.

The sudden update of a "New Sparring Arena" to replace the old Town Center sparring complex seems odd and rushed. Many people say that Neo was rushing too show that he has been updating Unholy Nation so that he wouldn't be removed.

Whats going on?

Matt · #2 07-31-2005, 12:37 AM

I thought this had happened about 2 months ago. I think the reason is because Unholy Nations needs good Management.

NeoJenova · #3 07-31-2005, 01:22 AM

Uhh...

I even massed to players if it would be ok to have a spar like that like 2 weeks ago and last week.

I created that spar thing like 3 weeks ago, had it made by Jave recently, then remade by Inspiration then what you see was made by Xelt lol.

As for UN I am not removed.

I didn't think I was going to be removed I didn't update anything because I thought I was being removed, I updated several things that the LATs had in there LAT folders because they were good remakes.

Sword · #4 08-02-2005, 08:51 PM

This is merely my opinion, so if you are offended easily or anything like that, close your eyes...

First and foremost, Neo isn't fit to manage a server. Not flaming at all, but this is my appraisal. As long as he has been manager, there have been no changes to the server that have even been noticable, and if there were, chances are, they weren't assigned/suggested by him. I hear Neo can script, but as for manager of a server like Unholy Nation, you should have enough smarts, when it comes to level editting, to at least start remodling some of the more popular areas, like he has done to the spar.
I see Neo PKing and sparring a lot, which isn't one of the most commendable traits of a server manager. Sure, he can have his fun, but I think there's more play than work going on here. I think when NJ was an admin, UN was as good as it's been for a while. The server needs a manager who has direction, and has a top priority for his server, such as... remaking that awful overworld. Neo has told people plenty of times that he has been working on that, and there have been changes (such as Waterworld being moved and such) but I think, if you can make that spar arena so nice in such little time, maybe TC should have been remade a long, long time ago...
I get the idea of remaking the overworld all at one time, but I think people are sick of waiting. Do what you can now, let it all fall together!

Just my two cents.

DIABLO2099 · #5 08-02-2005, 09:07 PM

being a server manager is no easy task...if they can enjoy the server they manage for so long...why not

the overworld does not need to be totally remade, even the most populated areas do not...servers that have done so lost their community because the feel was so different...tc is fine

Sword · #6 08-02-2005, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DIABLO2099

being a server manager is no easy task...if they can enjoy the server they manage for so long...why not

the overworld does not need to be totally remade, even the most populated areas do not...servers that have done so lost their community because the feel was so different...tc is fine

That is your opinion and I respect that. This only leads to one, simple question from me then: What exactly is Neo planning to do as manager? You've stated that he doesn't plan remaking the overworld, which to me translates into the fact that he'll be doing minute things such as remodling the spar arena, so that puts a whole dimension of management out of the way. I don't really think the spar arena needed to be remade either. Now it just looks like another N-Pulse/Delteria knockoff, and is that much laggier. No one even uses the other spars, just the center spar, all for attention. Some people like it, some people don't - have you noticed UN losing it's community over this?

NeoJenova · #7 08-02-2005, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sword

Just my two cents.

Well!

I won't blame you for your ignorance nor do I feel I need to explain everything I do on UN, but I will explain some things.

The person who replied I don't know if you know who that is but he was the Manager before I gained the Manager position and knows what it was like to Manage UN.

MOST if not every change on UN goes through me before it is uploaded. I was the one who had to spear head any big change on UN for it to happen, and if you think there hasn't been a big change try looking around at every piece of level around the overworld and every level that looks different around UN in the last 5 months. The overworld wasn't even being worked on until I decided to organize its completetion. After Xecutor quit working on it last year it seemed to stop all development, when I became Manager I made sure it was finished.

The spar was an idea by players/staff in the making for 3 weeks before it was uploaded. We were trying to decide if it would be good for UN and how many players would like it. The only thing I did for that spar was organize its creation and script its functions.

If you had access to RC you'd see most rules EVER created on UN for staff and or players have been written by me, from staff rules to level guidlines to NPC rules etc... I wrote most of them.

I spar and I pk because I manage a server with over 200+ players a day and 40+ staff on its roster. I can't escape my duties unless I have an outlet to do so or I would stress myself out just by logging on. If I did not enjoy my server and or graal I would not be working there for free for 4 1/2 years.

Please don't ask my contribution to this server until you really know what I do.

If our community is suffering from a spar center change or my management, I have to wonder why our population still averages 195-200 a day.

For those who will reply "It is all trials and newbies" We have numbers of who is Trial who is Classic and who is Gold/VIP accounts on UN at peak times and even without the Trial or Classic accounts we'd still be number 1 with gold/vip subscribers.

Sword · #8 08-02-2005, 09:44 PM

With that post, you simply attempted to make me look 'ignorant' to facts which I never said yay or nay to, and, in my opinion, you failed. I knew that Xecutor was manager before you, but what does this all have to do with any of the kind questions I asked? On UN, I give feedback to some of your new ideas, and I get the response, "I run this sh*t. If you don't like it, leave." That's quite alright, but these are the forums, and I only posted this to put what's going on inside the head of UN's manager out there to the public, not to attack you. Calm down.

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Originally Posted by NeoJenova

Please don't ask my contribution to this server until you really know what I do.

Basically, that reads, "Don't ask of what I've done until you know what I do." I'm not understanding this.
Again, the question is on the rise: Neo, what are your future plans for your server?

mystic2k · #9 08-02-2005, 09:47 PM

maybe cuz the populations big because people still like Unholy Nation but not how its management is running, and its update. The overworld change was a really bad idea. Because of how waterworld is placed at and that u have to swim for like 3 min just to get to dispora waterworld or isle of bane.

Bl0nkt · #10 08-02-2005, 09:48 PM

Christ...

You mean to tell me UN already has another manager? Which number is this again?

NeoJenova · #11 08-02-2005, 10:00 PM

Future Plans:

With the addition of a stronger development force, Thanks to some forcefull negotiations.

We have a bright future for UN!!

The long swim from waterworld and or dispora will be subsided with the addition of boats.

New events have ALREADY been created and our scheduled for release soon.

We are remaking most towns and so many more levels on UN through our very active LAT team of Jave Cross, Xelt, Lea and Inspiration.

The overworld was not meant to be an instant improvement even though it was a major improvement, its main purpose was to make a base for other improvements on UN. More space to create and give us more options than a few squares stuck together on a path.

We are trying to listen to the players more and taking many of there suggestions to heart, such as your suggestion to make a pk area close to the spar center so players who love to spar and PK can do them both in the same spot.

Please if you want to go on with on player conversations on the forums I would be afraid to put some of the things you say to me on these forums and the rest of your "ihateneo" fanclub.

NeoJenova · #12 08-02-2005, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bl0nkt

Christ...

You mean to tell me UN already has another manager? Which number is this again?

9 managers in 5 years.

I believe...

mystic2k · #13 08-02-2005, 10:08 PM

Nice save for yourself.

Sword · #14 08-02-2005, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by NeoJenova

We are trying to listen to the players more and taking many of there suggestions to heart, such as your suggestion to make a pk area close to the spar center so players who love to spar and PK can do them both in the same spot.

In an AIM chat, Thallen expressed this idea to me, or something similar: Where the main spar is, replace that with a PK area. Take those disgusting, black blocks (doors) out of there to get rid of some of the lag, as well as reason for spar PKing and such. If the middle area was a PK arena, you could PK, walk a couple tiles up, down, or left, and immediately be in a spar arena.

NeoJenova · #15 08-02-2005, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sword

In an AIM chat, Thallen expressed this idea to me, or something similar: Where the main spar is, replace that with a PK area. Take those disgusting, black blocks (doors) out of there to get rid of some of the lag, as well as reason for spar PKing and such. If the middle area was a PK arena, you could PK, walk a couple tiles up, down, or left, and immediately be in a spar arena.

I bet Thallen did.