I had a moment of absolution

Googi · #1 04-19-2005, 04:50 AM

While reading a thread Koni posted in the playerworlds forum, I came to the conclusion that 2K1 is finished. It has nothing to do with management, staff, scripts or levels. It's because we lost our appeal. Nobody wants the stuff that 2K1 is offering anymore. People don't want PK-RPing anymore. They want to either RP completely and totally or just fight in lawless guild wars. People don't want an simple economy, they want either 2K2 or Unholy Nation. There are bomies, but nobody wanted or will want to play as them. It doesn't matter if Kamuii, Zurkiba, Tseng or even Kaimetsu is managing 2K1. 2K1 can't come back in any form in which it would still be 2K1 and be successful in today's Graal.

So yeah, I'm giving up on 2K1. Anybody left who still believes in it?

protagonist · #2 04-19-2005, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Googi

While reading a thread Koni posted in the playerworlds forum, I came to the conclusion that 2K1 is finished. It has nothing to do with management, staff, scripts or levels. It's because we lost our appeal. Nobody wants the stuff that 2K1 is offering anymore. People don't want PK-RPing anymore. They want to either RP completely and totally or just fight in lawless guild wars. People don't want an simple economy, they want either 2K2 or Unholy Nation. There are bomies, but nobody wanted or will want to play as them. It doesn't matter if Kamuii, Zurkiba, Tseng or even Kaimetsu is managing 2K1. 2K1 can't come back in any form in which it would still be 2K1 and be successful in today's Graal.

So yeah, I'm giving up on 2K1. Anybody left who still believes in it?

I think that 2k1 will succeed if someone actually takes up the reins.

Waltz5 · #3 04-19-2005, 05:18 AM

I sorta agree... I think for 2k1 to survive in today's Graal it would need to be revamped quite a bit. But then by revamping it you'd lose some of the nostalgic factor.

However, there are fewer and fewer people who remember the good ole days of 2k1 so in the end it could work.

Kaimetsu · #4 04-19-2005, 05:26 AM

I've always said that it's a lost cause. It lacked structure from the very beginning, and that's not something you can just inject in there without completely changing the flavor of the world.

In my opinion, everybody should just move on to bigger and better things.

koopa1128 · #5 04-20-2005, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Googi

While reading a thread Koni posted in the playerworlds forum, I came to the conclusion that 2K1 is finished. It has nothing to do with management, staff, scripts or levels. It's because we lost our appeal. Nobody wants the stuff that 2K1 is offering anymore. People don't want PK-RPing anymore. They want to either RP completely and totally or just fight in lawless guild wars. People don't want an simple economy, they want either 2K2 or Unholy Nation. There are bomies, but nobody wanted or will want to play as them. It doesn't matter if Kamuii, Zurkiba, Tseng or even Kaimetsu is managing 2K1. 2K1 can't come back in any form in which it would still be 2K1 and be successful in today's Graal.

So yeah, I'm giving up on 2K1. Anybody left who still believes in it?

Ify Ify for me, I believe that if they were to just release the old playerworld and let the economy boost up, it would run as it use too. There are still many people who love the servers with both rp and crazy pking. But I believe many people would play G2k1, if they just released it and possibly added some new quests and new features for bomys, making humans and bomys equal.

Well I know I would..

Kaimetsu · #6 04-20-2005, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by koopa1128

Ify Ify for me, I believe that if they were to just release the old playerworld and let the economy boost up, it would run as it use too

Then why did it die in the first place?

zell12 · #7 04-20-2005, 09:10 PM

I just say give up on it. Who cares anymore? Not like Lance is going to give up holding onto something he can't handle anyway. :/

koopa1128 · #8 04-21-2005, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Then why did it die in the first place?

Nothing was being done in the first place? Well nothing I could personally see, Even with such a great playerworld, it should have been worked on greatly and developed, by adding new things in the past.. It was like a, great sitting duck.

RaabHimself · #9 04-21-2005, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Then why did it die in the first place?

I think it all went down hill when Stefan left it. He should just drop zone and kingdoms and bring back 2k1, then people will play.

Inspiration · #10 04-21-2005, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

In my opinion, everybody should just move on to bigger and better things.

Yeah, but what is bigger and better right now?

Kaimetsu · #11 04-21-2005, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Inspiration

Yeah, but what is bigger and better right now?

It is entirely possible to move on to things that don't exist yet.

Inspiration · #12 04-21-2005, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

It is entirely possible to move on to things that don't exist yet.

If you're willing to help make them exist, yeah. Not everyone is.

Kaimetsu · #13 04-21-2005, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Inspiration

If you're willing to help make them exist, yeah. Not everyone is.

Regardless, that is the path which will lead to greatest benefit for Graal and its players.

osrs · #14 04-22-2005, 01:14 AM

I'd really play it again, I have always loved Graal2001 because it changed Graal in some way. I'm not sure what is the problem, neither if it will be back some day, but I really like that playerworld.

csod123 · #15 04-22-2005, 01:34 AM

i want to play a game with a stable economy, i was a bomy, i got a new account which i selected human, if i can restart my account i will be a bomy and then have everyone in the entire game try and kill me, how fun -.- either way all of graal is crumbling, every day less and less players sighn on, there need to be a huge reform, me and others have been saying that for a while but i think the best update for now is to try too stableize the economy in all the servers hat have one, if i knew how i would try, but since i can't i am going to have to rely on staff.

KuJi · #16 04-22-2005, 12:04 PM

I play graal2001 ALL the time by myself, and I would have played it more but I can't do the stefan quest myself :o. And I can't mine for money. And I hate this hp system. (I believe this had an effect on player's leaving aswell.)

No less, I played graal2001 during the time of:
100 Players
90 Players
80 Players
70 Players
60 Players
50 Players
40 Players
30 Players
20 Players
10 Players
5 Players
1 Player (Just me ;-P)

Thak2 · #17 04-22-2005, 10:50 PM

The server was the most fun when it was just first released.

Not complicated, lots of interesting stuff in a new and fresh world that was big and fun to explore.

If it gets fixed up and released again, it should be like that, not the later clunky bodied economic boring 2k1.

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osrs · #18 04-22-2005, 11:29 PM

The boring thing was: everytime it was closed for repairs, they didn't change anything, everything was the same; I think that killed Graal2001. I still hope that it can be opened again.

Splke · #19 04-23-2005, 08:51 AM

First Step is Denial I suppose.

konidias · #20 04-23-2005, 03:31 PM

I believed 2k1 went downhill with the introduction of the new bodies, bomy moon crashing into the world and the "evil bomies" the whole ridiculous thing about how bomies are super intelligent and have psychic powers... it was ruining things.

Bomies should be kept as pets... that's it. Possibly you could play as a bomy but I wouldn't consider it an equal race to graalians, it's just stupid to have two races because they never balance out evenly. The fact that bomies were pets yet somehow they are supposed to be smarter than graalians just didn't make sense. I always believed bomies to be like yoshis from mario. You could ride them, keep them as a pet, they helped you out with certain things, you could feed them and maybe teach them tricks and stuff. When I was working on bomy pets I was wanting to give them special techniques, like being able to kick the bomy pet into certain rocks and it would spin into it and break it. Letting your bomy pet carry a basket so it could hold extra items for you... (I think I actually scripted that) There was also bomy battling but that was kind of silly and I'm glad I never finished it.

The new bodies need to GO. Badly. The bodies and the HP system contributed to the fall of 2k1. I stopped playing it right after those bodies came out. It made sparring and pking impossible, it totally and completely ruined fighting. The market was my idea, and it was good... until the whole rare hat thing which just got totally out of hand with the hacking and stuff. The rare hats were actually not a bad idea, before all the hacking and whatnot. I think having a hat system where you can only have one of each hat would be a more effective way of stopping people from hording tons of one kind of hat. At least a little bit anyway.

I didn't really like when they tried to introduce the kingdoms as some sort of huge ordeal... they sort of forced kingdoms on us like we had to join one or we would be at a disadvantage. It was quite annoying. I really loved the jobs though, they were well thought out and required several different tasks to complete them. The draisine was awesome, there were some fun events (even though there were hackers back then)

All 2k1 needed was hack protection, better security, removal of all the dumb ideas, and it'd be good to go. Plus an updated tileset would attract people to at least check out the new graphics. If they found that the gameplay had changed as well, they just might stick around.

Crono · #21 04-23-2005, 03:47 PM

Koni for leader of graal playerworlds!

zell12 · #22 04-23-2005, 03:50 PM

Well, I don't know about that, but I do like his ideas. I agree with them, and it's pretty much what killed G2k1, plus GK didn't help that much either. But would it have been different if G2k1 didn't get changed so
drastically before GK came out?

Googi · #23 04-23-2005, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by konidias

Bomies should be kept as pets... that's it. Possibly you could play as a bomy but I wouldn't consider it an equal race to graalians, it's just stupid to have two races because they never balance out evenly. The fact that bomies were pets yet somehow they are supposed to be smarter than graalians just didn't make sense.

Nobody went "WTF, BOMY PETS AREN'T LIKE BOMY PLAYERS, I QUIT ZOMG!"

Judge_S · #24 04-23-2005, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Googi

Nobody went "WTF, BOMY PETS AREN'T LIKE BOMY PLAYERS, I QUIT ZOMG!"

No, but everyone tried to scam others who wanted bomy pets, by getting a bomy player to play the part of a pet. Those were good times.

Googi · #25 04-24-2005, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Judge_S

No, but everyone tried to scam others who wanted bomy pets, by getting a bomy player to play the part of a pet. Those were good times.

Until you hit "r".

Amagius · #26 04-24-2005, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Googi

While reading a thread Koni posted in the playerworlds forum, I came to the conclusion that 2K1 is finished. It has nothing to do with management, staff, scripts or levels. It's because we lost our appeal. Nobody wants the stuff that 2K1 is offering anymore. People don't want PK-RPing anymore. They want to either RP completely and totally or just fight in lawless guild wars. People don't want an simple economy, they want either 2K2 or Unholy Nation. There are bomies, but nobody wanted or will want to play as them. It doesn't matter if Kamuii, Zurkiba, Tseng or even Kaimetsu is managing 2K1. 2K1 can't come back in any form in which it would still be 2K1 and be successful in today's Graal.

So yeah, I'm giving up on 2K1. Anybody left who still believes in it?

You have changed my outlook on G2k1. You have removed the naive veils placed over my eyes. I finally see the light.

Past the overdramatics, I would have to agree.

JohnnyChimpo · #27 04-27-2005, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by konidias

I believed 2k1 went downhill with the introduction of the new bodies, bomy moon crashing into the world and the "evil bomies" the whole ridiculous thing about how bomies are super intelligent and have psychic powers... it was ruining things.

Wow. Well said post koni, and i totally agree with you on everything especially the whole bomy moon crashing into the server, the day i came on i literlly said "What is that hunk of **** in the middle of the world." Because thats what it was, it really was an eye sore. It also got rid of jinn island. Ha i remember when the NPC server would crash and we'd have battles over the chair hah good times. Anywho the whole quest was to get better speed? Couldnt they have thought of somthing more creative. And i think after the Bomy moon crashed into us we still had the effect of it getting closer to us and we would die ( you kno where it got real bright)

Jeez those vine things that grabbed you were real annoying too

Brad · #28 04-27-2005, 01:04 PM

Koni, take over the project. My only complaint with anything you said was I enjoyed being a bomy. I had two accounts though and I could deal with being a human. Bring back old HP system which made kingdom wars actually fun, revamp the PW a little, add some new content, and you could have a great server.

Googi · #29 04-27-2005, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyChimpo

And i think after the Bomy moon crashed into us we still had the effect of it getting closer to us and we would die ( you kno where it got real bright)

That's the bomy sun.

Myomoto · #30 04-27-2005, 07:18 PM

I agree, remove the new hp system, and for gods sake get rid of that bomy moon! >_>
Oh, and bring back KT :]

JohnnyChimpo · #31 04-27-2005, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Googi

That's the bomy sun.

ahha good call my fault.

konidias · #32 04-29-2005, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Brad

Koni, take over the project. My only complaint with anything you said was I enjoyed being a bomy. I had two accounts though and I could deal with being a human. Bring back old HP system which made kingdom wars actually fun, revamp the PW a little, add some new content, and you could have a great server.

It's not up to me. I don't know what's actually going on with it behind the scenes, if anything.

As far as playing as a bomy, sure it's fun.. but it would never balance out as "equals" to graalians. The most it could be is just for fun. Possibly a bomy morphing potion or something? You'd be able to morph into a different bomy depending on which potion you used. However you wouldn't be able to attack or be attacked. The fighting system for bomies against graalians isn't even. It's also the cause for the downfall of sparring and pking. At times bomies had advantages and disadvantages when it came to battling. I think at one point they had way more health and the speed upgrade made them too fast to even hit. Then there was the thing where the bomy would get hit and spin and wouldn't be able to do anything and the player could just come up and keep swinging every few seconds and kill the bomy player.

I do think 2k1 should be re-designed and opened again. The overworld was done well, and it'd be great to have a bit of nostalgia mixed with something new.

Zxion · #33 04-29-2005, 07:12 PM

I completely, 100% agree with Koni's ideas. There used to be morphing between humans and bomies but they removed it after some time. I believe that it's still an awesome server, but like Koni and Kyden said, there are many things that have to be done in order to revamp it enough to appeal to both old and new players. (This is kinda off topic but last I heard of Oasis was about 2 years ago, can I ask what happened and not get flamed?)

Googi · #34 04-29-2005, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by konidias

The fighting system for bomies against graalians isn't even. It's also the cause for the downfall of sparring and pking. At times bomies had advantages and disadvantages when it came to battling. I think at one point they had way more health and the speed upgrade made them too fast to even hit. Then there was the thing where the bomy would get hit and spin and wouldn't be able to do anything and the player could just come up and keep swinging every few seconds and kill the bomy player.

It was okay before there was HP.

konidias · #35 04-30-2005, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Zxion

I completely, 100% agree with Koni's ideas. There used to be morphing between humans and bomies but they removed it after some time. I believe that it's still an awesome server, but like Koni and Kyden said, there are many things that have to be done in order to revamp it enough to appeal to both old and new players. (This is kinda off topic but last I heard of Oasis was about 2 years ago, can I ask what happened and not get flamed?)

Stop, you're making me blush.

Yeah the bomy boots did that I think? 2k1 could be revived... If I ever had the opportunity to revive it (not saying I do), I'd have to rename it though... because I'd remove the bomy moon, so maybe it could be named Bomy Island or something... it can't be named Graal, since that's the name of the world or whatever.

I'd love to redo the old graphics though. That'd be a lot of fun. As for Oasis... well I went through about every well-known scripter on graal and none of them lasted very long. I think Falados and Loriel helped out the most with Oasis. Kaimetsu contributed with answering some questions I had, and the inventory circle stuff... But overall I didn't have a scripter that would stick around with me. I needed advanced scripts done, such as complex enemy AI, which I can't make. So the whole project kind of got put on hold. I wasn't going to waste time doing everything else if I couldn't get scripts done... not to mention fighting monsters was a big part of the server, and I couldn't work around it very well.

zell12 · #36 04-30-2005, 12:33 AM

I say like, we just bring back the old old g2k1. no more new bodies, bomy moons and forced roleplaying stuff...

Chrismas · #37 04-30-2005, 01:23 AM

The reason G2K1 wont succeed is because the people who made it successful, the ones who loved it are all gone now. The community who played it has moved on to different games or moved on in other ways. G2K1 won't be a success simply because the people who truly loved the server are gone.

I've said this so many times about graal, its not the game that makes it what it is, its the community. I firmly believe the community that made G2K1 the work of art it once was are gone, and therefore it can never be re-affirmed as the sweet ass server it once was. (sweet ass, haha)

Googi · #38 04-30-2005, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Chrismas

The reason G2K1 wont succeed is because the people who made it successful, the ones who loved it are all gone now. The community who played it has moved on to different games or moved on in other ways. G2K1 won't be a success simply because the people who truly loved the server are gone.

No. Back when 2K1 was popular most of the people playing at any single time really weren't familiar with legendary players like TrueHeat and Marle, most didn't even use the forums.

konidias · #39 04-30-2005, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Chrismas

The reason G2K1 wont succeed is because the people who made it successful, the ones who loved it are all gone now. The community who played it has moved on to different games or moved on in other ways. G2K1 won't be a success simply because the people who truly loved the server are gone.

You can't credit the community for all of 2k1's success. Sure it may have played a part... but that doesn't mean a new community couldn't be successful with 2k1 as well. There were plenty of scammers and hackers and ruthless pkers, and plain out jerks back then. Quite a few of them were the "popular" people. It didn't make my experience on the server any more pleasant to have them running around.

You can't be sure that some of the old players wouldn't come back to 2k1 if it were improved. I'm sort of wanting to rebuild it just so I can play it myself. Old players left because of the drastic changes that occured. If such changes could make them leave, then such changes could bring them back.

RaabHimself · #40 05-01-2005, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by konidias

I'm sort of wanting to rebuild it just so I can play it myself.

Thats the spirit, lets get this thing done so we ALL can play again.