Follow up comment for UN (NOT FLAME)

LegendaryTsukasa · #1 03-02-2004, 02:39 AM

I jsut think, that since UN has the highest player rate, it shouldnt be allowed to go past all the rules it breaks every day...This isnt the first time it has done something wrong, and yet ti always seems to get by =/

Not a flame, I jsut dont know how the PWA can let one server get away with so much, but slam hard on another one...

Myukoi · #2 03-02-2004, 02:42 AM

It's not just Unholy Nation. Almost every server, most likely every server actually, has many many many problems. Corrupt staff, players, unfairness. It's just that no one is taking care of it.

--Chris-- · #3 03-02-2004, 03:18 AM

It's not that bad...I have full co-operation with them whenever there's a problem. One server I would say that gets away with too much is Babylon (well, they haven't done too much harm recently but still ;x)

LegendaryTsukasa · #4 03-02-2004, 03:56 AM

UN has done a lot more then Babylon, or any other server I can think of.

Milkdude99 · #5 03-02-2004, 04:07 AM

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Originally posted by Myukoi
It's not just Unholy Nation. Almost every server, most likely every server actually, has many many many problems. Corrupt staff, players, unfairness. It's just that no one is taking care of it.

There is much going on you don't see and we ARE aware of the many problems on all the servers not just UN. UN is not the only server breaking rules, change does not happen overnight. Things didn't get this way overnight nor will they be solved overnight but the problems are not being ignored. Remember we are not paid full time employees of Graal and have jobs and lives too, so yes it will take awhile to get things done. Sorry but this is the way it is.

zell12 · #6 03-02-2004, 04:35 AM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
There is much going on you don't see and we ARE aware of the many problems on all the servers not just UN. UN is not the only server breaking rules, change does not happen overnight. Things didn't get this way overnight nor will they be solved overnight but the problems are not being ignored. Remember we are not paid full time employees of Graal and have jobs and lives too, so yes it will take awhile to get things done. Sorry but this is the way it is.

The problems are being ignored.

Mykel · #7 03-02-2004, 04:40 AM

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Originally posted by zell12
The problems are being ignored.

Who cares? They had too many managers? They have staff that abuse power? Don't play there, but I am sure there will be an average of 100 people there at any given time.

zell12 · #8 03-02-2004, 04:53 AM

What you just said there implies that you think we should not have rules nor inforce them. Go jump off a cliff.

Mykel · #9 03-02-2004, 04:59 AM

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Originally posted by zell12
What you just said there implies that you think we should not have rules nor inforce them. Go jump off a cliff.

*lands on world's largest stack of pillows*

No. I just think there is no point for people who don't even play the server to ***** about it.

zell12 · #10 03-02-2004, 05:02 AM

Does it really matter if I play the server on a daily basis or not? I could care less. Fact remains that the rules created by Spark, and approved by Unixmad must be enforced. You are saying that we should ignore the problems on UN (Not even the manager rotation they go through, they have many more problems) and just let them do what they want. No, that is stupid.

Mykel · #11 03-02-2004, 05:06 AM

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Originally posted by zell12
Does it really matter if I play the server on a daily basis or not? I could care less. Fact remains that the rules created by Spark, and approved by Unixmad must be enforced. You are saying that we should ignore the problems on UN (Not even the manager rotation they go through, they have many more problems) and just let them do what they want. No, that is stupid.

I am saying it is life. Celebs get away with all tons of ****. It's life.

Tweekeroth_Rebirth · #12 03-02-2004, 05:21 AM

Though it does make a bad influence on all of the new people that come, they read the rules and they understand them, then they all go to UN and see the rules mean nothing and they start disobeying them, i'm saying just to enforce the rules

Mykel · #13 03-02-2004, 05:22 AM

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Originally posted by Tweekeroth_Rebirth
Though it does make a bad influence on all of the new people that come, they read the rules and they understand them, then they all go to UN and see the rules mean nothing and they start disobeying them, i'm saying just to enforce the rules

True, but nothing will happen.

Tweekeroth_Rebirth · #14 03-02-2004, 05:23 AM

stop stalking my posts...XD

WanDaMan · #15 03-02-2004, 10:19 AM

Well it's up now just forget it, you sound like you don't want it up. WHICH is against the rules bashing a server, go away..

Spark910 · #16 03-02-2004, 11:54 AM

UN wasnt shut down for a rule breaking... or go offline for it.
What rule breaking?

WanDaMan · #17 03-02-2004, 02:44 PM

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Originally posted by LegendaryTsukasa
I jsut think, that since UN has the highest player rate, it shouldnt be allowed to go past all the rules it breaks every day...This isnt the first time it has done something wrong, and yet ti always seems to get by =/

thats offensive..:]

Spark910 · #18 03-02-2004, 03:46 PM

hmm... well nobody has ever reported UN I don't think, not to me anyway =_=!

R0bin · #19 03-02-2004, 03:54 PM

UN uses so much CPU that it has its own computer

It went down for a while, but everything is back now and good yes?

WanDaMan · #20 03-02-2004, 07:31 PM

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Originally posted by R0bin
UN uses so much CPU that it has its own computer

It went down for a while, but everything is back now and good yes?

Yep :-)

protagonist · #21 03-03-2004, 06:19 AM

If you guys think UN is the biggest problem, I'd say we are doing our job quite well.

WHIPENIE4 · #22 03-03-2004, 07:21 AM

UN Staff = Stupid. Their Co Manager Massed out a history full of cursewords, i sent it to Spark, Dont even think they got in trouble. Nemesis would of done something, but Nemesis was Smart until he GOT stupid. Yes.

SlikRick · #23 03-03-2004, 07:28 AM

Personally I think UN is just a place for lamers to go and TRY to pk and it just lags really bad and every time I go on there I end up getting into a fight with some of their stupid staff members

WanDaMan · #24 03-03-2004, 03:24 PM

Help:
If your a **** with 3 hearts don't spar, retards think your a trial and kill you, and then staff believe them because they are buddys with them, new staff wouldnt harm...

NeoJenova · #25 03-03-2004, 04:46 PM

Why do you people have such vindictive attitudes towards UN?

Why don't you think of helping the playerworld before trying to harm the playerworld, like bringing some of your complaints to Xecutor (DIABLO2099) the manager first, if that doesn't work or he is unwilling to listen which I highly doubt. Take it to Spark or the PWA for global actions.

I am almost certain that Xecutor would love to be informed of what rules if any UN is breaking, and would fix them quickly.

You can forums PM Xecutor on the forums.
Account: DIABLO2099

Though a playerworld bashing thread may not be your intention when creating threads like this, it is going to happen regardless.

WanDaMan · #26 03-03-2004, 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by NeoJenova
Why do you people have such vindictive attitudes towards UN?

Why don't you think of helping the playerworld before trying to harm the playerworld, like bringing some of your complaints to Xecutor (DIABLO2099) the manager first, if that doesn't work or he is unwilling to listen which I highly doubt. Take it to Spark or the PWA for global actions.

I am almost certain that Xecutor would love to be informed of what rules if any UN is breaking, and would fix them quickly.

You can forums PM Xecutor on the forums.
Account: DIABLO2099

Though a playerworld bashing thread may not be your intention when creating threads like this, it is going to happen regardless.

Smeh the people/person who made fun of UN won't post again...

protagonist · #27 03-03-2004, 07:09 PM

Fact: Even if UN was a server full of lamers, that isn't justification to take it down.

Tweekeroth_Rebirth · #28 03-04-2004, 10:03 PM

i still say UN should be restricted to a few things, they get away with WAY WAY WAY too much

Nitkizi · #29 03-04-2004, 10:17 PM

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Originally posted by Tweekeroth_Rebirth
i still say UN should be restricted to a few things, they get away with WAY WAY WAY too much

Well, what is this "way way way too much" stuff you guys speak of!?

Tweekeroth_Rebirth · #30 03-04-2004, 10:20 PM

hmmm,so much corrupted staff, illegal items, and i got thousands of snapshots of staff, and staff talking to hackers, but yet not doing anything to them

zell12 · #31 03-04-2004, 10:26 PM

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Originally posted by WHIPENIE4
UN Staff = Stupid. Their Co Manager Massed out a history full of cursewords, i sent it to Spark, Dont even think they got in trouble. Nemesis would of done something, but Nemesis was Smart until he GOT stupid. Yes.

Nemesis is a good person and don't talk about him like that, you don't even know him. Like I explained before, Nemesis recieved many complaints from people about UN for various things and when he talked to Stefan he said he would deal with it. Nothing was done. Nothing will ever be done, and that is why this is a unprofessionally run game.

Tweekeroth_Rebirth · #32 03-04-2004, 10:29 PM

true, stefan never does anything, like when the guild CP was down for god knows how long

DIABLO2099 · #33 03-04-2004, 11:32 PM

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Originally posted by Tweekeroth_Rebirth
hmmm,so much corrupted staff, illegal items, and i got thousands of snapshots of staff, and staff talking to hackers, but yet not doing anything to them

-Corrupted staff? PM me some examples and sure I'll deal with it.
-What illegal items? Again, tell me some examples and I'll see how they are illegal and it will be dealt with accordingly.
-Talking to hackers?, I'm sorry that we don't jail people who we think are hackers.

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true, stefan never does anything, like when the guild CP was down for god knows how long

What the hell are you talking about? I don't think most of us knows what Stefan does, but to assume he does nothing at all is just stupid.

Milkdude99 · #34 03-04-2004, 11:34 PM

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Originally posted by zell12
The problems are being ignored.

My hands are tied in that respect to all PWs not just UN. Regular PWA cannot implement punishment on any PW, only Spark can do that. You can only beat your head up against the wall so much before asking yourself "What's the point if nobody listens?"

Xecutor,

If a problem about UN comes to me I will be happy to come discuss it with you, but like you I haven't been told anything. All I see is people blowing alot of smoke with no proof of anything, sorry Guys I don't condemn people without proof of wrongdoing. There is no crime talking to "accused hackers" (prolly script kiddies and trainer users if anything no less), it's like talking to a murderer , no crime in that unless you engage in the illegal activity. There is no rule against talking to "suspected Hackers " only in the actual hacking itself.. 9 out of 10 people on this game would not know a real hacker if they saw one.

zell12 · #35 03-04-2004, 11:36 PM

If Spark isn't doing anything, if that is what you are saying, then why is he the Admin? I think Stefan is the problem.

DIABLO2099 · #36 03-04-2004, 11:38 PM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
My hands are tied in that respect to all PWs not just UN. Regular PWA cannot implement punishment on any PW, only Spark can do that. You can only beat your head up against the wall so much before asking yourself "What's the point if nobody listens?"

If you see a problem on UN all you have to do it come on and tell us, from what I know, no PWA has ever come on UN to tell us something was wrong with server content. Houdini had come on before to tell us about a few disruptive players but nothing else. VT also gets on regularly to check on us and sees nothing wrong.

Chris has come on a couple times and had full cooperation when he spotted something.

Edit: I see your response in the post above, thanks.

zell12 · #37 03-04-2004, 11:44 PM

Your staff seem to forget to unban people when they get banned. I was banned for ages now, not like I care about it.

DIABLO2099 · #38 03-04-2004, 11:48 PM

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Originally posted by zell12
Your staff seem to forget to unban people when they get banned. I was banned for ages now, not like I care about it.

We don't go sifting through the ban log looking for people to unban. It isn't nearly impossible to contact us, but I've just unbanned you.

zell12 · #39 03-04-2004, 11:51 PM

Well normal people with some decency write down the names of those they banned.

DIABLO2099 · #40 03-04-2004, 11:53 PM

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Originally posted by zell12
Well normal people with some decency write down the names of those they banned.

We do, we just don't go sifting through it all the time looking for people to unban.