I love the quality of the Moderators here

zell12 · #1 01-04-2004, 04:08 PM

This is not a thread to flame the moderators, but just to express my concern. Why are posts being closed and deleted. Just because someone asks "Who's the Guild Admin?", and gets an answer, it doesn't mean the thread should be closed. It should still open for discussion.
If someone begins to "flame" or spam, then delete their post! You should not be so lazy to just close the thread or move it to the Trash Can. -_-

Mabey Unixmad made some bad choices for his moderators, who knows. But do not take this as a flame or whatever you want to call it, because it isn't. I just want to see the best for the forums.

Turles_is_back · #2 01-04-2004, 04:20 PM

Yeah.. -coughs- I never post here. Forums are boring anyway. Who needs forums when you have instant messaging. ;D

Spark910 · #3 01-04-2004, 04:44 PM

It WAS closed due to spam and flame. And im not being lazy, the thread has served its purpose, I have no problems with another super-moderator or moderator re-opening if they feel it should be open for discussion when I closed it.

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Originally posted by Turles_is_back
Yeah.. -coughs- I never post here. Forums are boring anyway. Who needs forums when you have instant messaging. ;D

When someones not online, minus ICQ

Lyndzey · #4 01-04-2004, 04:47 PM

There was flaming all over the thread.

D1ce2 · #5 01-04-2004, 05:03 PM

I don't think he means just that thread though.

Lyndzey · #6 01-04-2004, 05:13 PM

Let's look at the past few threads that have been deleted.

-One where Shadowfox complained about the forum access and how you have to have gold/VIP to use it (it's been that way for almost 2 years!)
-One that was made only for spam ("w00t")
-One questioning the existence of a PW, which contained swear words and later was "solved"
-One about Konidias coming back to Graal, was deleted because many people flamed Angel because they thought she was account sharing (they were wrong)
-One accusing someone of stealing a guild. Deleted because it should have been taken up with the administration.

We have 3 supermods now, not one. Part of the reason we have 3 is so they will be a little more strict with the threads. All of the mods on the board can review any threads that have been deleted, and I have done this. I find that every thread that has been deleted has some reason behind it.

A lot of you are saying that the new moderators have poor judgement. Isn't it your judgement about this? What makes your judgement right? My opinion is the new moderators have just started out and are already doing a good job. Give them a chance.

Just think of the original thread about the supermods. Before even a day, tons of people were complaining. Why were they complaining? Probably because they wanted the job for themself.

D1ce2 · #7 01-04-2004, 05:45 PM

Ugh... I have nothing else to say.. ugh... I'm speachless..

Darlene159 · #8 01-04-2004, 05:52 PM

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Originally posted by Lyndzey
Let's look at the past few threads that have been deleted.

-One where Shadowfox complained about the forum access and how you have to have gold/VIP to use it (it's been that way for almost 2 years!)
-One that was made only for spam ("w00t")
-One questioning the existence of a PW, which contained swear words and later was "solved"
-One about Konidias coming back to Graal, was deleted because many people flamed Angel because they thought she was account sharing (they were wrong)
-One accusing someone of stealing a guild. Deleted because it should have been taken up with the administration.

Thank you, Lyndzey...I was going to post similar to this, you saved me the trouble

We are only following instructions as were given to us, and enforcing the board rules as we were hired to do....

davidpsy · #9 01-04-2004, 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by Lyndzey
Let's look at the past few threads that have been deleted.
Just think of the original thread about the supermods. Before even a day, tons of people were complaining. Why were they complaining? Probably because they wanted the job for themself.

They were complaining because they didn't like the people that were hired, not because they wanted the job for themself.

WHIPENIE4 · #10 01-04-2004, 06:44 PM

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Originally posted by Lyndzey
Let's look at the past few threads that have been deleted.

-One where Shadowfox complained about the forum access and how you have to have gold/VIP to use it (it's been that way for almost 2 years!)
-One that was made only for spam ("w00t")
-One questioning the existence of a PW, which contained swear words and later was "solved"
-One about Konidias coming back to Graal, was deleted because many people flamed Angel because they thought she was account sharing (they were wrong)
-One accusing someone of stealing a guild. Deleted because it should have been taken up with the administration.

We have 3 supermods now, not one. Part of the reason we have 3 is so they will be a little more strict with the threads. All of the mods on the board can review any threads that have been deleted, and I have done this. I find that every thread that has been deleted has some reason behind it.

A lot of you are saying that the new moderators have poor judgement. Isn't it your judgement about this? What makes your judgement right? My opinion is the new moderators have just started out and are already doing a good job. Give them a chance.

Just think of the original thread about the supermods. Before even a day, tons of people were complaining. Why were they complaining? Probably because they wanted the job for themself.

she has a good point.

Lyndzey is good. you listen to Lyndzey.
even if the braves couldnt beat a team who hadnt been in the playoffs for 50 years

*gets ready to run*

zell12 · #11 01-04-2004, 07:34 PM

What a great point. Yeah.

You seem to miss my point. So i'll tell you all again.

WHY CLOSE THREADS THAT YOU THINK HAVE NO PRUPOSE (but the do) AND CLOSE THREADS THAT OTHER PEOPLE FLAME IN (delete thethe abusers posts) AND CLOSE THREADS WERE A QUESTION WAS ANSWERED (you don't need to close a thread just because people are finished talking about somethink, thats retarded)?

Come on, this is a place to communicate. Wouldn't it be better to punish abusers, rather then have the thread deleted or closed, then the person that wants to communicate cannot remake the thread that has been closed or deleted?

Oh, and i'm complaining because this is out of hand, not because I would want to be a moderator.

You think I want to do something that I dislike?

davidpsy · #12 01-04-2004, 07:38 PM

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Originally posted by zell12

Oh, and i'm complaining because this is out of hand, not because I would want to be a moderator. You think I want to do something that I dislike?

Right You Are Ken.

I'm pretty sure most of the people that complained didn't even want to become a moderator...

Lyndzey · #13 01-04-2004, 07:44 PM

I won't say any names but some people did complain because they did want the job for themself (they did not say that out directly, obviously).

If a thread is completely a flame thread, then what is the point of leaving it open? It will just continue to go on unless it is closed (guild admin thread) or moved.

Yes, the ShadowFox thread that was about gold/VIP only having forum access had such a great point. Even though Graal had been this way for almost 2 years, we should let classic members get VIP benefits anyway! Yes, what a great purpose.

The question that was answered was a personal question to the guy who created the thread about the removed PW. There were broken rules involved in that thread and the thread was solved, so what was the point of leaving the thread out in the open?

Oh please, the mods have been around for not even a week yet and it is already "out of hand"? You guys really are going to get NO WHERE if you continue to complain. You guys are making me sick, things like this make me want to quit Graal.

zell12 · #14 01-04-2004, 07:49 PM

Whatever Lyndzey lol

Anyway, I never directed my comment towards any threads you did, so you can't use them as examples against my opinion.

Also, I would of complained before, actually, I and many others did... But just recently more threads were closed by many moderators, super and regular, and I am voicing my concern that cannot be shuned by you.

zokemon · #15 01-04-2004, 07:50 PM

i think i saw maybe 1 or 2 topics in the PWA forum that could have had the post deleted because th topic was important to keep going but other then that i haven't seen anything wrong...

Spark910 · #16 01-04-2004, 07:52 PM

Deleting a post does not change someones opinion so if the topic goes back again that person will post the same thing again.

And posts closed have either gone too far off topic and are now offensive, spamming or flamming or they are against the forum rules.

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Originally posted by zokemon
i think i saw maybe 1 or 2 topics in the PWA forum that could have had the post deleted because th topic was important to keep going but other then that i haven't seen anything wrong...

PW forums. PWA = Playerworld Administration. That forum is private. And those were moved by admins, not moderators.

zell12 · #17 01-04-2004, 07:54 PM

There are threads being closed all over the forums, threads that should remain open for further discussion if the players want. It isn't nessary to close all of these threads.

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Originally posted by Lyndzey
Yes, the ShadowFox thread that was about gold/VIP only having forum access had such a great point. Even though Graal had been this way for almost 2 years, we should let classic members get VIP benefits anyway! Yes, what a great purpose.

Good example right here... If he wants to talk about this with the community he has the right to do it. You think it has no purpose? So what, he doesn't care. And neither to the players.

zell12 · #18 01-04-2004, 07:55 PM

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Originally posted by Spark910
Deleting a post does not change someones opinion so if the topic goes back again that person will post the same thing again.

And posts closed have either gone too far off topic and are now offensive, spamming or flamming or they are against the forum rules.

There are no rules stating we cannot talk off topic.

Hevaricubed · #19 01-04-2004, 08:06 PM

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Originally posted by Lyndzey
Just think of the original thread about the supermods. Before even a day, tons of people were complaining. Why were they complaining? Probably because they wanted the job for themself.

I for one pity moonie and spark.
I certianly would not have wanted that job, because now they have to deal with a people like zell, who complain 24/7.

Lyndzey · #20 01-04-2004, 08:06 PM

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Originally posted by zell12
There are threads being closed all over the forums, threads that should remain open for further discussion if the players want. It isn't nessary to close all of these threads.

Good example right here... If he wants to talk about this with the community he has the right to do it. You think it has no purpose? So what, he doesn't care. And neither to the players.

I think it was closed because unixmad would not have been happy to see someone like that complaining about his services.

I also attached a message of some of the thread start-ups that have been deleted.

zell12 · #21 01-04-2004, 08:08 PM

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Originally posted by Hevaricubed
I for one pity moonie and spark.
I certianly would not have wanted that job, because now they have to deal with a people like zell, who complain 24/7.

Please don't make crude comments in my thread. They are not wanted, I don't want this thread deleted. -_-

I am not complaining, I am voicing my concern and I want the Supermods and Admins to try a different approach, rather then seek and destroy, how about seek and eliminate the abusers?

Lyndzey · #22 01-04-2004, 08:11 PM

Here is some of the threads that were deleted

WHIPENIE4 · #23 01-04-2004, 08:13 PM

x.x I mean yea he coulda deleted the posts that were "flaming" the guild admin but its no reason to start a war where you could get in some trouble..
and yea. Spark and Moonie were placed with a big Burdon on their best. one bigger then the other. yea. Ok im not gonna joke. Everyones always complaining about something, people here would argue over whos foot is bigger. *thats my foot by the way* and I listen to our staff on this and you, our staff, THe staff whatever. and I respect Lyndzey for how far shes made it. So yea. and she actually earned her way up.

zell12 · #24 01-04-2004, 08:13 PM

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Originally posted by Lyndzey
Here is some of the threads that were deleted

That is a different story. If someone makes a THREAD about something as retarded as that or something that should be reported to an Admin, then yes, you should delete, move or close the thread. It is to the Admins disrestion. However, I just want what I said in the above post.

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Originally posted by WHIPENIE4
x.x I mean yea he coulda deleted the posts that were "flaming" the guild admin but its no reason to start a war where you could get in some trouble..
and yea. Spark and Moonie were placed with a big Burdon on their best. one bigger then the other. yea. Ok im not gonna joke. Everyones always complaining about something, people here would argue over whos foot is bigger. *thats my foot by the way* and I listen to our staff on this and you, our staff, THe staff whatever. and I respect Lyndzey for how far shes made it. So yea.

Xman, I believe Lyndzey is a great person and she does a wonderful job. I also think that Moonie and Spark can handle this. But I just want them to take a better approach at moderating the forums. I am not trying to be a arsehole and complain.

Lyndzey · #25 01-04-2004, 08:16 PM

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Originally posted by zell12
There are threads being closed all over the forums, threads that should remain open for further discussion if the players want. It isn't nessary to close all of these threads.

Good example right here... If he wants to talk about this with the community he has the right to do it. You think it has no purpose? So what, he doesn't care. And neither to the players.

I just noticed that the ShadowFox VIP thread was closed by Kamuii and backed up by Lance. Do you think that Kamuii should try a different approach as well?

I still don't see what threads you think should be open. Want me to get every single flame post in the guild thread on a little paint .png and post it? So many posts would have had to be deleted, the entire thread would probably have not even made since.

zell12 · #26 01-04-2004, 08:18 PM

And posts directly related to a flamers/spamers post would be deleted. I've seen Spark do it in another thread.

Lyndzey · #27 01-04-2004, 08:25 PM

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Originally posted by zell12
And posts directly related to a flamers/spamers post would be deleted. I've seen Spark do it in another thread.

I know you complained about that Guild Admin thread (the one where the maker of the thread requested it to be closed), but what other complaints of closed/deleted threads do you have? We already said the VIP thread, but that was deleted by Kamuii, not a supermod.

zell12 · #28 01-04-2004, 08:27 PM

Yeah, I know. But I am not speaking of just the super mods, but normal ones too.

I don't know right now, I just seen a bunch closed because of flaming. If these users are makings threads close, shouldn't they be locked-out of the game, rather then the thread locked?

Darlene159 · #29 01-04-2004, 09:01 PM

Zell, some threads that fill up with spamming, insults, etc..... after they have served their purpose, or even those that dont serve a purpose...by the time you delete all the posts that break the rules, the thread is very confusing, and basically worthless....in some cases this would work if it is only 1 or 2 posts (which I have done)
Honestly, I dont know what the big deal is, there was nothing trashcanned that was majorly important

WHIPENIE4 · #30 01-04-2004, 09:03 PM

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Originally posted by zell12
Yeah, I know. But I am not speaking of just the super mods, but normal ones too. I don't know right now, I just seen a bunch closed because of flaming. If these users are makings threads close, shouldn't they be locked-out of the game, rather then the thread locked?

SHHHH stop arguing with the Great Lyndzey!

Hevaricubed · #31 01-04-2004, 09:29 PM

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Originally posted by zell12

Please don't make crude comments in my thread. They are not wanted, I don't want this thread deleted. -_-

I am not complaining, I am voicing my concern and I want the Supermods and Admins to try a different approach, rather then seek and destroy, how about seek and eliminate the abusers?

Crude? Crude is saying something like "Oh nice sexy ass"

What i said is VERY relevant, and YOU ARE COMPLAINING, do not make any mistake.

You started this thread, and i agree it should be deleted before unixmad has to suffer any of your bull.

SingleChance · #32 01-04-2004, 10:51 PM

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Originally posted by Hevaricubed

Crude? Crude is saying something like "Oh nice sexy ass"

What i said is VERY relevant, and YOU ARE COMPLAINING, do not make any mistake.

You started this thread, and i agree it should be deleted before unixmad has to suffer any of your bull.

He isn't complaining anywhere in this thread. He is giving his opinion. There's a difference you know

Thak2 · #33 01-04-2004, 11:04 PM

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Originally posted by Lyndzey

We have 3 supermods now, not one. Part of the reason we have 3 is so they will be a little more strict with the threads.

Why do the forums need to be more strict?

Lyndzey · #34 01-05-2004, 12:24 AM

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Originally posted by Thak2

Why do the forums need to be more strict?

So threads such as "It's stupid that classic members (who pay such a low price) don't get access to the forums!!!" don't start up. I don't know for sure if the forums are trying to be more strict, but I'm assuming part of the reason unixmad hired 3 supermods is so they will be more strict.

zell12 · #35 01-05-2004, 02:00 AM

That was always taken care of. The forums don't need to be strict. They are already. Oh, and see posts like what Xmann whatever writes, is not needed. They should be deleted.

And who was that guy complaining about me voicing my opinion? Oh yeah...

Milkdude99 · #36 01-05-2004, 02:30 AM

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Originally posted by zell12
That was always taken care of. The forums don't need to be strict. They are already. Oh, and see posts like what Xmann whatever writes, is not needed. They should be deleted.

And who was that guy complaining about me voicing my opinion? Oh yeah...

They aren't anymore strict than they have always been the only difference is enforcement is being done for a change. Without the "grey areas" and favortism that has been shown in the past. It's simple you break a rule you pay for your actions , really not hard to understand..
Funny I don't see anyone that has ever broken a rule complaining, maybe because if you are decent with your post you don't have to worry about the rules because you will always be well within the rules and it doesn't affect you. :grin:

marcoR · #37 01-05-2004, 02:35 AM

I think you misunderstood some of the cases.

Divider · #38 01-05-2004, 02:37 AM

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Originally posted by Lyndzey

So threads such as "It's stupid that classic members (who pay such a low price) don't get access to the forums!!!" don't start up. I don't know for sure if the forums are trying to be more strict, but I'm assuming part of the reason unixmad hired 3 supermods is so they will be more strict.

That's a good point..

WHY DONT CLASSIC MEMBERS GET FORUM ACCESS?!

marcoR · #39 01-05-2004, 02:39 AM

He hired two, we hired one.

w3dg1tz8 · #40 01-05-2004, 02:42 AM

I was debating about even posting, but what the hell. This isn't really related to the topic, but I'll be mentioning it. Everyone (Graal staff) have been saying that Graal is a business, sure okay I'm not disagreeing yet. Well, for starters with a business they usually would answer their support desk or e-mail, especially when it has to do with money.

Anyways, this wasn't the purpose of me posting. I agree with Excal somewhat about this matter, but I don't really care considering the low amount (sp?) of time I spent on Graal now. Basically the point of this thread is to say that (everyone who's global staff and moderator on these forums (this excludes Moonie because she's not global so she can go ahead and keep going what she's doing)) would stop worrying about enforcing the forum rules and more about the rules on the client, then everything would be fine... but quite frankly it's not. We can't get into contact with people about issues and that's not right for a 'business'.

*puts on ban suit* Although, I believe I was being banned before this post anyhow, due to my request.