Graal Kingdoms: New Beginning?

zell12 · #1 01-02-2004, 09:50 AM

When will the server be reset or made into a new one like Stefan said he would do? I want to play again, and RP. But it is hard when you miss 6 months, come back, you have no items, your house is gone, and everyone is level 100.

Blue_Dragn · #2 01-02-2004, 10:02 AM

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Originally posted by zell12
When will the server be reset or made into a new one like Stefan said he would do? I want to play again, and RP. But it is hard when you miss 6 months, come back, you have no items, your house is gone, and everyone is level 100.

I guess there have been tons of threads and discussions on this, GK will probably never be reset for clear reasons.

thelostviking · #3 01-02-2004, 10:39 AM

Yea too sad =/. Iam playing again and try to hold the high level standart tec is lvl 93 huh and iam just lvl 16

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screen_name · #4 01-02-2004, 11:06 AM

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Originally posted by thelostviking
Yea too sad =/. Iam playing again and try to hold the high level standart tec is lvl 93 huh and iam just lvl 16 .

Level 93?!?!? Oh my ass!!

Graal Kingdoms should be reset for the following reasons;

1. Some have been playing a long time and have abused many bugs
2. The current money situation was caused by number 1
3. The "olbies" have been higher levels when new monsters were added, so they could kill them easier and also contributed to the money situation
4. It would drop the player base at first, losing players because they are pissed off, but would raise it afterwards, players would feel they have more of an even chance
5. A reset would help control RPing a little better, if done correctly
6. I realize a reset will never happen

Just my views, hell I may add some later

DragonX · #5 01-02-2004, 11:10 AM

There really doesn't need to be a reset. Many people are doing fine right now. Satrek and others are about level 35+ and they don't really have any event/alchemy items...If they can do it, so can anyone else. I try to help the newbies out by giving them a basic package consisting of silver plate mail, silver warrior helmet and flaming sword. If they aren't lazy, I am sure they can achieve level 30 no problem.

I am only level 38 (since I quit for 2 months) which isn't that high anymore but I still deal with it. Tec lives in maps, that's the only reason he is level 93. He's earned it and I don't see why he and others (including myself) should be punished for something we earned o.O I mean cmon, if we reset now, in the future, new players are going to arrive. Are we going to reset AGAIN just because they feel it's unfair?

screen_name · #6 01-02-2004, 11:14 AM

Good point, as always DX. I didn't say it would be fair though.

deman1171 · #7 01-02-2004, 12:47 PM

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Originally posted by DragonX
There really doesn't need to be a reset. Many people are doing fine right now. Satrek and others are about level 35+ and they don't really have any event/alchemy items...If they can do it, so can anyone else. I try to help the newbies out by giving them a basic package consisting of silver plate mail, silver warrior helmet and flaming sword. If they aren't lazy, I am sure they can achieve level 30 no problem.

I am only level 38 (since I quit for 2 months) which isn't that high anymore but I still deal with it. Tec lives in maps, that's the only reason he is level 93. He's earned it and I don't see why he and others (including myself) should be punished for something we earned o.O I mean cmon, if we reset now, in the future, new players are going to arrive. Are we going to reset AGAIN just because they feel it's unfair?

Actually, it does.
If what i have heard is correct anyway.
I mean, it was supposed to be reset when it was out of alpha, everyone is a giant level, everyone has all this money that staff gave them, or that they scammed or got when they were testing it out alpha or et items or all kinds of things like that, and it's really un-fair to new players.
It would be nice to see UC, someone making a better start for players, a better class/gender system, a better rp system, and then put it all up and then reset everyone.

Oh, and i fail to see how you can't roleplay without a house and a high number in your profile.

Satrek2000 · #8 01-02-2004, 12:50 PM

I feel honored... DX mentioned me

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Originally posted by screen_name
5. A reset would help control RPing a little better, if done correctly

How so? If you don't want to rp, you won't, no matter what. Also, while you can rp incorporating items - personally, I hold a dagger crafted from the black bones of the first demon I slew - items themselves neither encourage you to rp nor prevent you.
Plus, you'll still have pkers and people who ty to annoy after a reset, who'll most likely resort to powergaming and would wreck more havoc than they can now.

Splke · #9 01-02-2004, 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by DragonX

Tec lives in maps, that's the only reason he is level 93. He's earned it and I don't see why he and others (including myself) should be punished for something we earned

:cough: He hasnt earned most of his latest levels... I'd say.. about 20 or 30 of them... But, he did earn his earlier ones...

Khallos_2k2 · #10 01-02-2004, 01:40 PM

I think that it would be good if Stefan could make a copy of GK and reset the copy, so the high level people can stick around on the present GK with all of their "leet" items, and other people who want to start again and RP would go on the reset version.
And not all oldbies are high levels. Raziel played since near the beginning of GK, and was level 18 when he quit, because he didn't spend all of his time levelling up.

protagonist · #11 01-02-2004, 03:49 PM

I'd like that as well; a seperate, new GK. Perhaps they will have it after they finish 3.0?

Khallos_2k2 · #12 01-02-2004, 03:55 PM

Hopefully.
If they did, I know quite a few people who would return to GK.

Moonite · #13 01-02-2004, 07:43 PM

if stefan really gonna erstart Kingdoms...
I will stop playing kingdoms so he dint earn money from me anymore...

but im still banned

Crono · #14 01-02-2004, 08:04 PM

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Originally posted by deman1171

Actually, it does.
If what i have heard is correct anyway.
I mean, it was supposed to be reset when it was out of alpha, everyone is a giant level

Oh, and i fail to see how you can't roleplay without a house and a high number in your profile.

GK did have a reset..it was when they came out with the new menus and the whole drag and drop system.

Roleplaying isnt the issue, there's not much roleplaying on GK anyway. Another server where roleplaying just wont happen.

thelostviking · #15 01-02-2004, 10:47 PM

I would have no problem if all alchemy items would be taken and event items given out as much as last year =( well it fixes mess with mess but thats the only alternative to a reset.
and european em's are needed again BADLY. all events like 0-2 am for me i only could participe in last days cuza holidays.

MarkB · #16 01-02-2004, 11:15 PM

I have talked with stefan about this numerous time. Never really got anywhere though... I wish a new server was made...i was that back so badly

thelostviking · #17 01-03-2004, 02:21 AM

I dont think a new will be made.
Or they could make one for gold and vip people only to finance it

zell12 · #18 01-03-2004, 03:46 AM

The reason GK will never have good Role Playing is because you need to get a high level in every catagory, to get to your RP characters standard. Like I am a Paladin for instance. In order to use my Heal, Ressurection, etc... i'd have to be level 30 and have a bagillion grace points. I just think that levels and stuff killed RolePlaying for GK. Stefan took Graal2001's RPing, Kingdoms, and slapped it on this new server hoping people would play there instead and it would attract new players thinking, "oh wow, Role-Playing and a buttion mashing game! Great combo!".

If the system is not changed, it will contune like this until players reach level 115 (max I believe) and eventually get bored of having no life, living in dungeon maps. I am just so disappointed in what GK turned out to be that I dont even know what to say.

When it was in alpha stage, I couldn't wait to play the game, it had all these gods, and spells and characters and kingdoms. But now, it is none of that.

Satrek2000 · #19 01-03-2004, 12:26 PM

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Originally posted by zell12
If the system is not changed, it will contune like this until players reach level 115 (max I believe) and eventually get bored of having no life, living in dungeon maps.

I doubt that. There are many who, while they level every now and then, do rp and have fun while doing so.

thelostviking · #20 01-03-2004, 05:19 PM

exactly. 10 people of 120 players.
one of them are you

Satrek2000 · #21 01-03-2004, 06:23 PM

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Originally posted by thelostviking
exactly. 10 people of 120 players.
one of them are you

Did you count them? I know four personally - the Horn family. I also know others via Graal. I also know quite some roleplayers. If everyone was out to level, things like the Nighthawk Incident or today's raid wouldn't take place.

Monkeyboy_McGee · #22 01-03-2004, 06:42 PM

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Originally posted by Satrek2000

Did you count them? I know four personally - the Horn family. I also know others via Graal. I also know quite some roleplayers. If everyone was out to level, things like the Nighthawk Incident or today's raid wouldn't take place.

Today's raid? Has something been happening? :O :O :O tell me tell me tell me. And how come when i look at the playerlist now, there are 500000 Dustari citizens? O_O

gravator · #23 01-04-2004, 02:39 AM

How many folks actually LIKE getting high levels? i myself have had my all time high of level 14, but after that you need to go Bmode and get diamonds for your weapon.....

...then someone who couldn't give a care about what happens later scams that good gear off you, what then? there are just way too many people running around with MORE than enough great items, they want huge ammounts for it, and only another person with their own great gear can hope to trade for it.

not as great as it was back "in the old days" is it?

reset GK, make a new server, the ideas are on the table, lets make the decision whoever deals with this.

MysticHaste · #24 01-05-2004, 04:23 PM

I've said this before I'll say it again, The answer is simple, Make 2 Servers.

Delete the Kingdom islands from 2002, and add a New gold server, Kingdoms, Delete the main island from that (the major cause of no RPing) and populate the Kingdom isles with towns from the main island.

I said this about 5 months ago.

If this was done we would have RPers on Kingdoms, and PKers on 2002.

Splits them, There are more RPers than you think also.

But the systems should be split, changed to accomodate each server. (Kingdoms should have a max level of 50, and no Prep weapon/EAs) - 2002 Would have a PK range set in place, Only allowing you to PK within X- levels of your level in 1 mode and Full open in the other mode.

-Morestuff to say, but its 12:30am here.

Satrek2000 · #25 01-05-2004, 05:55 PM

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Originally posted by gravator
reset GK, make a new server, the ideas are on the table, lets make the decision whoever deals with this.

What would that change? People would be upset, and scam and annoy even more. No system can ever prevent people from trying to annoy or scam.

gravator · #26 01-05-2004, 07:58 PM

Those people that would most be upser ARE the scammers, and others that were able to use the bugs before stefan fixed them, i say do it, take all the advantage these power players have now and get rid of it.

And yea, you might want to think before sending any flames to this message, you might be upset if it happens, but there are folks already upset over the way kingdoms is now.

zell12 · #27 01-05-2004, 10:07 PM

How hard can it be to work on a new server with all the bugs fixed and more things added for roleplaying... Have a group of players that Roleplay well to run the server and give their ideas to the developers and stuff can be added.

Remember the council Unixmad wanted for the PWA? Something like that only for GK involving RPing...

Satrek2000 · #28 01-06-2004, 12:49 AM

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Originally posted by gravator
Those people that would most be upser ARE the scammers, and others that were able to use the bugs before stefan fixed them, i say do it, take all the advantage these power players have now and get rid of it.

I would be upset, and I never scammed or abused a bug (believe it or not). The same is true for all the other three family members. I know many others who would be upset. We work for our items and experience, and we roleplay.
Also, you will have powerplayers in every system - they will not rp, and some may even pk and annoy. The only thing achieved by a reset would be to give new players the equal chance to become a powergamer. You don't need to be equal to rp - that's what they call life.

thelostviking · #29 01-06-2004, 12:54 AM

You get the sheep award:
Rper who doesnt want changes.
Btw you can have a sheep by my grandpa if you can get it outa germany =/.

zell12 · #30 01-06-2004, 03:17 AM

This is going no where. You are not understanding what we are saying.

THERE WILL BE NO RESET. JUST ANOTHER SERVER WITH FIXED BUGS AND WHERE THE SERVER IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE ROLEPLAYERS NEEDS

Is that too hard to understand?

MysticHaste · #31 01-06-2004, 04:22 AM

The Main island screws Roleplaying up.

Satrek2000 · #32 01-06-2004, 02:29 PM

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Originally posted by MysticHaste
The Main island screws Roleplaying up.

No - the only thing that can screw roleplaying are the players, as they are the only thing that can actually perform rping.
Have mines on every kingdom island, and nobody would leave their own island. Have them spread out over the islands, you would encourage travel - but some islands would be better of, as HH, stone mine and gold mine are far from equal. Who uses the gold mine if they need stones and iron, for example?
I do think that some kingdom specific items would be good. Maybe even mines who bring certain gems on the kingdom islands. But leave main, it doesn't hutr, plus where else would a player start if not on neutral ground?

zell12 · #33 01-06-2004, 04:48 PM

Better idea would be so that you are not allowed on another kingdoms island unless the king gives you permittion, as in being alies with the kingdom. Therefor this allows for trading with neutral kingdoms and discounts for allie kingdoms, and will create an economey for the server. In the kingdom are jobs where you don't get the supplies, the kingdom does. And a kingdom merchant gets paid to sell them.

However, you can still buy them from your own kingdom for less than if you were from another. There are so many good ideas, I wish that more of the players read these forums to post their amendments to our ideas, or just post comments.

Shaman_King · #34 01-08-2004, 07:05 AM

even if there was a reset, people above level 50 should at least be able to choose the one weapon or item that would help them the most, but ONLY 1 item the people below 50 could keep there items

that would help even things out i think

Qwert616 · #35 01-08-2004, 10:32 AM

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Originally posted by Shaman_King
even if there was a reset, people above level 50 should at least be able to choose the one weapon or item that would help them the most, but ONLY 1 item the people below 50 could keep there items that would help even things out i think

Pssh, that wouldn't work at all. People would just "give" their other weapons to lower level friends temporarily.

Monkeyboy_McGee · #36 01-08-2004, 08:48 PM

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Originally posted by Shaman_King
even if there was a reset, people above level 50 should at least be able to choose the one weapon or item that would help them the most

Why?