Dustarian Revolution

Locke_boy · #1 05-26-2003, 12:24 AM

King Tseng is not worthy of his title.

I'll try and keep this short.

You all know the reasons why he doesn't deserve such a title .. I know you do, because I have a lot of support.

I propose one of two things, the second of which seems more appealing, come to think of it.

First proposal: Remove King Tseng, and replace him with someone who can be there for the Kingdom, someone who won't run from his problems (he removed everyone who opposed him and would not even listen to them), and will face them with courage .. someone who will stand for his people and do for them what is right.

Second proposal: Should the first be rejected (it is shameful if it is), I propose (as do others) that a new Kingdom be formed, where myself and those with me can run a Nation as we want it to be run .. why anyone would oppose this is beyond me. The only argument I could understand would be that there are already enough Kingdoms .. but come. Be realistic. Five Kingdoms .. that's all. In this true world, there are hundreds of nations .. don't you think that Graal can handle six?

I hope something is done.

Tseng · #2 05-26-2003, 12:27 AM

No, and No!

busyrobot · #3 05-26-2003, 12:33 AM

Dustari is fine, and will grow finer.

I consider you a friend Locke, but you were wrong to try what you tried.

If you can and do start your own kingdom, you have my blessing, but the problem is how future petitions like yours will get approved or not, as for starting new kingdoms.

Googi · #4 05-26-2003, 12:33 AM

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Originally posted by Locke_boy
he removed everyone who opposed him and would not even listen to them

SmokeyX · #5 05-26-2003, 12:34 AM

I agree more with the 2nd one.. I mean if the world has 7 continents and millions and millions of people couldnt there be more?

and there are those who are rejected by other kingdoms who remain kingdomless and dont have a place to store their things..

plus all the kingdoms are full right now..not many to join or there are guys like tseng who only give theirs friends powers

Locke_boy · #6 05-26-2003, 12:34 AM

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Originally posted by Tseng
No, and No!

I could say a lot, but I won't.

I'll just say that the second matter has nothing to do with you, so keep your opinions to yourself about it.

-Albus · #7 05-26-2003, 12:35 AM

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Originally posted by SmokeyX
Iand there are those who are rejected by other kingdoms who remain kingdomless and dont have a place to store their things..

Usually people are rejected for valid reasons, like they're annoying scammers/PKers, or don't know what RPing is.

EvoIute · #8 05-26-2003, 12:35 AM

Seriously Tseng, I didnt wanna do this, but Action had to have been taken.. this is my first post, and boy, it wont be my last.. Why Tseng? You didnt have to remove us, you could have heard us out, then thought of something, we didnt need a new leadership, your afraid to face anything, instead you come up to me while i'm afk and you pk me.. thats very honorable.. Your also alot higher in level. If this is how you act Tseng.. i'm glad i'm gone.. glad glad glad!

Locke_boy · #9 05-26-2003, 12:36 AM

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Originally posted by busyrobot
If you can and do start your own kingdom, you have my blessing, but the problem is how future petitions like yours will get approved or not, as for starting new kingdoms.

Thank you ..

.. and should it be approved, I'm sure some sort of system could be worked out.

SmokeyX · #10 05-26-2003, 12:36 AM

hey tseng why did you remove us all? was it because you

couldnt handle the pressure or your just not fit to be a king to

handle this in a right way? all you do is mope around and always

be sad, not to forget you only answer pm's about giving

you free things and such but you call us stupid when we ask a different question

Locke_boy · #11 05-26-2003, 12:37 AM

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Originally posted by -Albus

Usually people are rejected for valid reasons, like they're annoying scammers/PKers, or don't know what RPing is.

Usually, but not always. A lot of times people turn into scammers/PKers because of said rejection, and because people aren't more sympathetic.

draco5432 · #12 05-26-2003, 12:38 AM

Tseng, Padren, Myself, and others dont need you, we can run dustari just fine.

I see no reson for a new king or kingdom.

Tseng · #13 05-26-2003, 12:38 AM

I'm sorry if the other rebels attacked me, and I saw you aiming an arrow. The logical conclusion is easy to see. I apologize if that was not the case.

I'm glad to talk about things when it is talking about them that is wished.

My main point will remain:

If you come to me politely, and say "Tseng, we feel you're not online enough" - Then I'll have no problem talking to you.

However "Tseng, there's a room full of people at the castle who have a problem with you and want to remove you and/or kill you, come on down to the castle and talk to us!" is unacceptable.

Locke_boy · #14 05-26-2003, 12:39 AM

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Originally posted by draco5432
Tseng, Padren, Myself, and others dont need you, we can run dustari just fine.

I see no reson for a new king or kingdom.

As I said, Enik, you are blind. I once respected you, but your blind loyalty has made me lose such respect ..

Ghost Pirate · #15 05-26-2003, 12:40 AM

Why is it that Dustari gets, or trys to get, another king every other week?

You guys have bad choice in leadership.

--Chris-- · #16 05-26-2003, 12:41 AM

Tseng is one of the best leaders around. Why do you think Forest and Dustari > All? The guy has been inactive for about two weeks, give him a break for crying out loud! Look at Zormite and Pirates, where the hell have their leaders been for the past couple of MONTHS!? Tseng even gave rights to some of YOU who did what? Degraded the damn kingdom. Since anyone got rights besides himself I've seen alot of crap coming from Dustari like bad names example "Citizen Paladin (Dustari)" and behavior. Now that Tseng decides to come back on (after two weeks which is practically nothing) you start a revolt? Option 2 is out, none of you are capable of even staying in a kingdom...far less run one and option one, well...like I mentioned above, Tseng is one of the best leaders around so I say he stays not to mention you can't officially over-throw a king unless they plan and agree to it or they're banned from the game or quit and such.

Locke_boy · #17 05-26-2003, 12:41 AM

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Originally posted by Tseng
My main point will remain:

If you come to me politely, and say "Tseng, we feel you're not online enough" - Then I'll have no problem talking to you.

However "Tseng, there's a room full of people at the castle who have a problem with you and want to remove you and/or kill you, come on down to the castle and talk to us!" is unacceptable.

In the past people have come to you with that, but you obviously ignored them, seeing as the problem has remained.

Even so, regarding the second statement ..

.. it is entirely acceptable. If you're any kind of leader you would have responded with "That's awful, but I will go to see them, and try to end the unrest," .. not "You don't exist," followed by removal of everyone involved.

EvoIute · #18 05-26-2003, 12:42 AM

((Well I like to aim it because it looks cool and its fun to walk around like that))

Seeing as i'm already in a bad mood with you, I didnt wanna attack you so dont worry.. But how are we supposed to even contact you if your not on.. and when your on.. your complaining.. :/ .. and once I asked you some questions, and after 1 question.. you ignored me..

Tseng · #19 05-26-2003, 12:46 AM

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In the past people have come to you with that, but you obviously ignored them, seeing as the problem has remained.

There have only been TWO people who EVER came to me politely like that. Padren, and Tristen. And it was because of their requests I am making an effort to be online more.

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Even so, regarding the second statement ..

.. it is entirely acceptable. If you're any kind of leader you would have responded with "That's awful, but I will go to see them, and try to end the unrest," .. not "You don't exist," followed by removal of everyone involved. [/B]

You have a problem with a King not going in a room with 10 people who he knows are traitors/wish his removal?

"Any kind of leader." Hah. That's funny. I love how you interpret things I do in all sorts of weird ways.

Locke_boy · #20 05-26-2003, 12:46 AM

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Originally posted by --Chris--
Option 2 is out, none of you are capable of even staying in a kingdom...far less run one and option one, well...like I mentioned above, Tseng is one of the best leaders around so I say he stays not to mention you can't officially over-throw a king unless they plan and agree to it or they're banned from the game or quit and such.

Hah. Option 2 is out. Don't say that until we have a Kingdom to run. Should we be given the "option", we'd gladly prove you wrong. My friend, I can shift my priorities easily, and to be on GK and devote much of my time to it is not a problem at all. I could easily aid in running a Kingdom very smoothly.

.. and option 1 out, just because he doesn't comply? I think that if Stefan has any sense, he would take out a leader that nearly everyone opposes. So, you're wrong there, that they must comply.

Whatever, I'm out for now, I've got a sub sandwich waiting to be eaten ..

Tseng · #21 05-26-2003, 12:50 AM

The second no in my first post: Last I knew, Stefan didn't want any more kingdoms.

Tseng · #22 05-26-2003, 12:59 AM

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Originally posted by EvoIute
((Well I like to aim it because it looks cool and its fun to walk around like that))

Seeing as i'm already in a bad mood with you, I didnt wanna attack you so dont worry.. But how are we supposed to even contact you if your not on.. and when your on.. your complaining.. :/ .. and once I asked you some questions, and after 1 question.. you ignored me..

S'ok...sorry for attacking you x.x;

Anyway, as I said, I am going to try to be online more o.O;

And if I'd just been asked politely, instead of being demanded of to step down, then this whole thing could have been resolved nicely.

As for ignoring? I want to ask you, do you have any idea how many PMs I get every time I go online? x.x; If you did, you would understand how some could slip through. Also, if I've already answered a question before, and the person asks again, I am also less likely to answer it. May have gotten mixed up; I am after all only human.

draco5432 · #23 05-26-2003, 01:13 AM

The rebelion is a lost cause, we have an active king, and kingdom..sorry nothing will happen.

Locke_boy · #24 05-26-2003, 02:05 AM

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Originally posted by draco5432
The rebelion is a lost cause, we have an active king, and kingdom..sorry nothing will happen.

So forget his stepping down.

We want our own Kingdom.

Locke_boy · #25 05-26-2003, 02:07 AM

I overreacted, yes. .. but I don't want to be a part of Dustari anymore. I still don't feel Tseng runs the Kingdom as well as he could or should. I still feel that we should have the chance to start our own Kingdom. Why? Because there really isn't a reason to deny us one.

SmokeyX · #26 05-26-2003, 02:19 PM

I agree with locke a new kingdom would be nice.. and when i was looking today at that kingdom info i saw that there is a gap between dustari and zormite..maybe put it there? new kingdoms would be fun im getting tired of the same ol kingdoms..same ones from 2001

SmokeyX · #27 05-26-2003, 02:20 PM

I mean

Zormite and Forest heh

Satrek2000 · #28 05-26-2003, 08:33 PM

Hm... a new kingdom would mean a whole new island, new gfx, a different style... efforts which should better be put on quests, alchemie, whatever, methinks. Alsothere is a reason for not giving out kingdoms to everyone who wants to rule one: because everyone will want to rule one. Agree to one, you have indeed no way to deny someone else's request for one.

And finally, there's a quote from Douglas Adams which I like to quite in such cases:
"Those who want to rule are those who should never be allowed to do it" - think about it.

Locke_boy · #29 05-26-2003, 10:19 PM

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Originally posted by Satrek2000
Hm... a new kingdom would mean a whole new island, new gfx, a different style... efforts which should better be put on quests, alchemie, whatever, methinks. Alsothere is a reason for not giving out kingdoms to everyone who wants to rule one: because everyone will want to rule one. Agree to one, you have indeed no way to deny someone else's request for one.

And finally, there's a quote from Douglas Adams which I like to quite in such cases:
"Those who want to rule are those who should never be allowed to do it" - think about it.

I am aware of how incredibly difficult it would be to create a whole new Kingdom .. but I am willing to do what it takes. I already have some ideas running through my head as to what sort of nation it would be, and how it would be topographically. I do understand that I could be denied this, it's logical .. but heh, Smokey's right, I always did notice how there is a gap between Zormite and Forest. We could fill in that gap ..

.. and this quote .. heh. It isn't far off at all .. but it doesn't truly pertain to this situation. I don't want to rule .. I just want to take the step to start a new nation for those of us denied from the other nations of Graal. Once the Kingdom is established, it won't even be a Kingdom, we will run it as a Republic to an extent .. or that's how I'd like it to be run. There will be a high council who will generally make the decisions, but meetings with the people of the Republic will be periodically held to hear how they feel about matters .. so the council can properly decide what to do about particular things. Hmm .. yeah .. I think I'll go write up a schematic on just exactly how this would work ..

zell12 · #30 05-26-2003, 10:31 PM

Holy crap lockey. I am so enraged right now. Lets take a look at your past:
Got angry at level 8 because he kept being killed by stronger people on battle mode. He quit and then came back, expecting sympathy. He leveled up, and quit again, I forget the reason. He then came back, got like high leveled as a priest, and restarted after stefan refused to restore him when he lost loads of exp from switching gods. He then asked stefan to restore him because he "accidently restarted." Now the cry baby wants Tseng removed because he thinks he can do a better job.

[sarcasm]Wow, what a job you did so far in this game, it's amazing, and now you want to lead a kingdom, thats just fantastic![/sarcasm]

Your a complete idiot. Tseng is better than you you in so many different ways it's kinda funny really; one of them ways is RPing.

Why don't you go quit... again, and this time don't come back... damn crack baby.

Locke_boy · #31 05-26-2003, 11:00 PM

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Originally posted by zell12
Now the cry baby wants Tseng removed because he thinks he can do a better job.

[sarcasm]Wow, what a job you did so far in this game, it's amazing, and now you want to lead a kingdom, thats just fantastic![/sarcasm]

Your a complete idiot. Tseng is better than you you in so many different ways it's kinda funny really; one of them ways is RPing.

Why don't you go quit... again, and this time don't come back... damn crack baby.

Uhm. I said I don't care about him being removed anymore.

.. and Zell. Don't judge others when you yourself can be so easily judged. Oh, and that anger problem .. you should probably see a psychiatrist or so. You do know, this is just a game?

.. and RPing skills? Since when have you even seen me RP? Never, I know that. Zell, you don't know me. Don't tell me who I am.

zell12 · #32 05-27-2003, 03:31 AM

Don't stereotype Tseng then. If you have a problem, give your opinion on how it can be fixed, not rebel. You should be tared and feathered, then dragged down a rocky-dirt road behind a wagon for your treason.

SmokeyX · #33 05-27-2003, 03:43 AM

I seriously think there should be a new kingdom
today i had mass messages on and omg there were like7
people massing can I join a kingdom..one was a level 18 barbarian

thats pretty sad especially when somekingdoms accept ****s ( like freshmeat to the game )

the republic does sound good..like a group of 7 -10 to control
the kingdom

no one has a higher power then the other some sort of a check and balance thing or you could have 3 people.

Qwert616 · #34 05-27-2003, 04:19 AM

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Originally posted by SmokeyX
I seriously think there should be a new kingdom
today i had mass messages on and omg there were like7
people massing can I join a kingdom..one was a level 18 barbarian

thats pretty sad especially when somekingdoms accept ****s ( like freshmeat to the game .)

Levels should really not play too much of a large role when trying to join a kingdom.

Anyway, there really is no need for another kingdom. Yes, at times there are a number of people massing out to join kingdoms. Kingdoms, however, can easily fix this by simply by getting more 'recruiters, or just make sure the existing recruiters come online more.

Locke_boy · #35 05-27-2003, 04:39 AM

I'm not saying a new Kingdom is needed .. but it would be very beneficial to the players ..

.. I'm sure that many would like there to be another .. a lot of people for the reason that no other Kingdom will accept them for one reason or another.

Qwert616 · #36 05-27-2003, 04:41 AM

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Originally posted by Locke_boy
I'm not saying a new Kingdom is needed .. but it would be very beneficial to the players ..

.. I'm sure that many would like there to be another .. a lot of people for the reason that no other Kingdom will accept them for one reason or another.

If someone is serious about joining a kingdom and cannot join 1 of 5 possible kingdoms, then something is wrong somewhere.

zell12 · #37 05-27-2003, 04:50 AM

Don't be a ***** is all I am saying Locke. Tseng is a great King.

Locke_boy · #38 05-27-2003, 05:11 AM

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Originally posted by zell12
Don't be a ***** is all I am saying Locke. Tseng is a great King.

I know he is x.x

I apologized to him earlier in the day x.x;

zs0 · #39 05-27-2003, 06:10 AM

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Originally posted by Locke_boy
with me can run a Nation as we want it to be run .. why anyone would oppose this is beyond me.

someone sounds power hungry :Ow

Locke_boy · #40 05-27-2003, 06:51 AM

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Originally posted by zs0

someone sounds power hungry :Ow

Not at all .. one point I'd like to make is that the Kingdom would be run by a group of people, a High Council, probably 7 or so people, all of equal rank, all with equal rights - but they would all have to consult with one another before making any decisions .. and periodically consult with the people (and of course hear any unscheduled comments).