graal 3d...

Faheria_GP2 · #1 03-11-2002, 01:16 AM

is the only cool thing I have seen from graalonline since the ratform came out, why are you working on crap like 2k2? graal3d could be MUCH cooler, with swords and chests and stuff, you know, like Zelda:Oot...

screen_name · #2 03-11-2002, 04:39 AM

that would be so much better, i dont know why he isnt working on it

Lao_Su2 · #3 03-11-2002, 07:40 AM

Because then he couldn't work on his precious 2k2

jacob_bald6225 · #4 03-11-2002, 08:54 AM

If graal 3d comes out, what will we have to anticipate?

Boozy_Bravo · #5 03-11-2002, 08:56 AM

Heh, I prefer 2d to 3d.

Falcor · #6 03-11-2002, 09:09 AM

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Originally posted by Boozy_Bravo
Heh, I prefer 2d to 3d.

OMG you must be Elite and have liek old SNES and play like Cool stuff!! 2k2 has 3d stuff. terrain is 3d and stuff.

amonrabr · #7 03-11-2002, 10:47 AM

just who programm can understand y.. he isnt working on it because he's waiting for... Graal2k2 works in bad computers and there are many people with bad computers.. And there is the Memory problem, open the Windows explorer, click on Help - About Windows... so? that percents are the problem...

Faheria_GP2 · #8 03-11-2002, 12:38 PM

92% resources still available is a problem? :o

Spanko · #9 03-11-2002, 07:18 PM

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Originally posted by Faheria_GP2
92% resources still available is a problem? :o

Yes it is. Send all your excess memory to me.

screen_name · #10 03-11-2002, 09:37 PM

i have 80% left and i only have this internet window open

Faheria_GP2 · #11 03-12-2002, 06:01 AM

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Originally posted by screen_name
i have 80% left and i only have this internet window open

jesus is crying for you

amonrabr · #12 03-12-2002, 12:47 PM

doesnt care how much Memory Ram u have, windows 95/98/Me/Xp just make some different until 128Mb... 2000/NT use a litlle bit more.. This explain y 128Mb ram to 2Gb Ram almost doesnt change the computer speed

screen_name · #13 03-12-2002, 09:06 PM

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Originally posted by Faheria_GP2

jesus is crying for you

i have a 4 mb video card and 64 mb of ram

my comp is 3 years old

ZORG1986 · #14 03-14-2002, 04:44 AM

LoL I have 128 mb of RAM and a 32mb GFX Card with Internet Explorer, AIM, Graal, Winamp, Norton Personal Firewall and Norton AntiVirus 2002 open I have 24% resources left

Tyhm · #15 03-16-2002, 11:59 AM

If it's so easy, you do it. =_=

The engine was the easy part, it's getting the levels together that's a pain. On oldschool Graal it's easy, editor = levels. On G3D...not nearly as simple.

Saga2001 · #16 03-16-2002, 06:17 PM

Well yeah, too much work one. Also personally I like Graal2001/2002 more! I mean look at that crap, it looks nothing like Graal! Its not even the same as it used to be, I strongly disagree with the improvement on Graal 3D, I mean unless they refer to me on what to do, because I could make it own.

j/k. I think it should be improved, but please, make it look like Graal...Or rename it. Plus the field of 3D games is so large, this one would fall if not very improved, very quickly, with Counter-Strike, and others like this, before making Graal3D better, make Graal2001 worse...Also Tyme was so right, creating one level on Graal3D would take ages, making a level could take ages more, there needs to be a good level designer created, and that would be a headache to create levels with it also. So improvement is definate, but improvement takes work.

ZORG1986 · #17 03-16-2002, 08:43 PM

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Originally posted by Saga2001
Well yeah, too much work one. Also personally I like Graal2001/2002 more! I mean look at that crap, it looks nothing like Graal! Its not even the same as it used to be, I strongly disagree with the improvement on Graal 3D, I mean unless they refer to me on what to do, because I could make it own. j/k. I think it should be improved, but please, make it look like Graal...Or rename it. Plus the field of 3D games is so large, this one would fall if not very improved, very quickly, with Counter-Strike, and others like this, before making Graal3D better, make Graal2001 worse...Also Tyme was so right, creating one level on Graal3D would take ages, making a level could take ages more, there needs to be a good level designer created, and that would be a headache to create levels with it also. So improvement is definate, but improvement takes work.

I agree if Graal 2002 and Graal 3d came out at the same time, i wouldn't even download Graal 3d. I would much rather play Graal 2002

Tyhm · #18 03-17-2002, 03:07 AM

Here's what you gotta do to make a Graal3D:

Create a converter that makes terrain'd G2K2 levels into G3D levels, replacing images with predefined 3d objects - like the Dustari House, it's an image in G2K2 and a 3D model in G3D...then you're set. Though it begs the question of why bother.

Kaimetsu · #19 03-17-2002, 04:30 AM

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Originally posted by Tyhm
Here's what you gotta do to make a Graal3D:

Create a converter that makes terrain'd G2K2 levels into G3D levels, replacing images with predefined 3d objects - like the Dustari House, it's an image in G2K2 and a 3D model in G3D...then you're set. Though it begs the question of why bother.

Any sort of creative tiling would cause problems.

mikepg · #20 03-17-2002, 04:36 AM

the levels would be a problem to create. I have a program that can create levels like that, and it takes friggin forever! All it is is a big hastle. Every single thing is a rendered image (except 2d sprites, that are the same on all sides).

I'd much rather play a 2d game. Just because It's 3d, doesn't make it more fun.

I don't know about the new g3d, but, i played an old version of it....Is there much of a difference?

As for g2k2, the only thing that resembles 3d is the water, where your shadow drops through the transparent water. Other than that, It just looks like skewed images to me.

Spanko · #21 03-17-2002, 04:49 AM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu

Any sort of creative tiling would cause problems.

Not really in 2k2's case, at least when it comes to the overworld.
It'd just ahve to use the tiles as textures at the place where they're customly tiled.

Kaimetsu · #22 03-17-2002, 04:59 AM

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Originally posted by Spanko
Not really in 2k2's case, at least when it comes to the overworld.
It'd just ahve to use the tiles as textures at the place where they're customly tiled.

Oh, right. 2K2. My bad.

zell12 · #23 03-17-2002, 05:49 AM

Bah... I only made one Beta3 level, its hard as hell, but once you get the hang of it, its easy =D

Faheria_GP2 · #24 03-17-2002, 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by Saga2001
Well yeah, too much work one. Also personally I like Graal2001/2002 more! I mean look at that crap, it looks nothing like Graal! Its not even the same as it used to be, I strongly disagree with the improvement on Graal 3D, I mean unless they refer to me on what to do, because I could make it own. j/k. I think it should be improved, but please, make it look like Graal...Or rename it. Plus the field of 3D games is so large, this one would fall if not very improved, very quickly, with Counter-Strike, and others like this, before making Graal3D better, make Graal2001 worse...Also Tyme was so right, creating one level on Graal3D would take ages, making a level could take ages more, there needs to be a good level designer created, and that would be a headache to create levels with it also. So improvement is definate, but improvement takes work.

damn, you are making a good point, stefan wouldn't know work if it slapped him on the ass :o (stefan - get a real job)

Saga2001 · #25 03-19-2002, 04:32 PM

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Originally posted by Faheria_GP2

damn, you are making a good point, stefan wouldn't know work if it slapped him on the ass :o (stefan - get a real job)

lol *smacks stefan's ass*

DarkPyro_2001 · #26 03-22-2002, 01:39 PM

It is pretty hard to configure a level editor, especially for something 3D. It would be nice if you could change heads, though. I also thought G3D was an abandoned project? Maybe not.. Btw, bitmap files are quite large compared to PNGs, and that's what the body files are.

Birdbird_0 · #27 03-22-2002, 07:25 PM

Make 2230 3d like, I thought of that 3 months ago but never siad it but 2230 3d would own I should shut up now because I am insane.

LittleBabyGirl_Bomy · #28 03-24-2002, 10:30 PM

you like posting that pic, dont you birdy?

Faheria_GP2 · #29 03-25-2002, 04:15 AM

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Originally posted by DarkPyro_2001
It is pretty hard to configure a level editor, especially for something 3D. It would be nice if you could change heads, though. I also thought G3D was an abandoned project? Maybe not.. Btw, bitmap files are quite large compared to PNGs, and that's what the body files are.

not really, something like DOGAL2/L3 would suffice for level building

ZORG1986 · #30 03-28-2002, 06:36 PM

Haha sounds like the unreal tounrament 3D level editor...takes me like 2 hours to make a square room with a ramp or a weapon.....where as with Graal's 2d level editor I can make top quality levels in under an hour...I cant imagine any good playerworlds popping up on Graal 2002.

haunter · #31 03-29-2002, 04:54 AM

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Originally posted by Birdbird_0
I am insane.

That you are! That you are...

slick_soul · #32 04-14-2002, 12:17 PM

Leyth rite here is runnign a self built
450mhz
512mb ram
128mb ram g3force4
some other shite also
and my comp rite now runs better then most hewlett packards rite now , thats why self builts are better then factory

Kaimetsu · #33 04-14-2002, 03:58 PM

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Originally posted by slick_soul
Leyth rite here is runnign a self built
450mhz
512mb ram
128mb ram g3force4
some other shite also
and my comp rite now runs better then most hewlett packards rite now , thats why self builts are better then factory

What are you talking about, and why?

Frolic_RC2 · #34 04-14-2002, 05:06 PM

Stefan says "most people don't support 3d gfx" or whatever...yet I go on renegade...hmm only about 30,000 people have 3d things on renegade? Hmmm...only over 100,000 people have 3d things on UT? Oh...but what happened to barely anyone has 3d support? Renegade using DX8, you need a good card to work it well, which means alot of people have good ones....

I think the problem isn't with people not having it, I think the problem is Stefan hasn't made anything quality enough to attract 30,000 people. Hmm..I think thats obvious...

Point:

work on g3d!!!!! or add 3d features (.x support) to graal!!!

Kaimetsu · #35 04-14-2002, 05:35 PM

Omigod, Soul Blade, you mean there were 30,000 people all playing a game that needs a 3D card, and they all had 3D cards?! That must mean everybody has them, because you've certainly chosen an excellent model for your statistical analysis!!!

G_yoshi · #36 04-14-2002, 09:10 PM

Most graalians have older computers...simply because their parents are too stubborn to spend money to upgrade or to replace.

It is nice, however, that Stefan tries to make Graal workable for those with older machines. But still, it would be nice if he upped the requirements a little

G_yoshi · #37 04-14-2002, 09:22 PM

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Originally posted by Tyhm
Here's what you gotta do to make a Graal3D:

Create a converter that makes terrain'd G2K2 levels into G3D levels, replacing images with predefined 3d objects - like the Dustari House, it's an image in G2K2 and a 3D model in G3D...then you're set. Though it begs the question of why bother.

You must have read what I posted in a certain private forum because that is exactly the same idea I had. GMAPs just hold vector heights, I believe, so it couldn't be that hard to interpret them into an actual 3D field.

Falcor · #38 04-14-2002, 10:34 PM

I nice thing would be just to keep the 2d graal and make the 3d graal. That way older computers can go on 2d graal and do the yippy yahoo hat thing and the people that buaght a 3d accellerator can enjoy a 3d environment. The only REAL thing stoping the other people from going to the 3d server would be ther GFX card. Just like it is the only thing stopping them from seeing lights, one of the most decorative things on graal.

I see no point in not making a 3d game. A lot of 3d games dont absolutly NEED a 3d accellerator. Take half-life for example. It is a compleat 3d world. IT doesnt need a 3d acelerator to run it. Although it make it run WAY smoother if you DO have a 3d accelerator.

Frolic_RC2 · #39 04-15-2002, 01:34 AM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu
Omigod, Soul Blade, you mean there were 30,000 people all playing a game that needs a 3D card, and they all had 3D cards?! That must mean everybody has them, because you've certainly chosen an excellent model for your statistical analysis!!!

Examples Kai...if there are many people who have a 3d card for Renegade, then there are alot more. More people with 3d then without.

Kaimetsu · #40 04-16-2002, 10:12 AM

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Originally posted by Frolic_RC2

Examples Kai...if there are many people who have a 3d card for Renegade, then there are alot more. More people with 3d then without.

It doesn't prove a thing. So 30,000 people have 3D cards. Maybe 3,000,000 people don't. Renegade aims at a different target audience, you can't compare user counts or anything of that nature.