Graal for android

Cubical · #1 01-31-2012, 01:53 PM

I've been hoping for Graal for android since the day the G1 came out at t-mobile and I got it. I now have a Galaxy S II and would like to be able to use it to play Graal... Release please.

callimuc · #2 01-31-2012, 02:24 PM

Which android´s would be able to play Graal anyway? Got no real clue of them yet.

papajchris · #3 01-31-2012, 02:59 PM

Id say any gingerbread operating system

Cubical · #4 01-31-2012, 03:19 PM

Just haven't heard any news on it

Skyld · #5 01-31-2012, 07:31 PM

Should be hearing more about Graal on Android throughout February/March, but the client for the most part works pretty well already. Some bugs need to be fixed before it can be released though (device identification is still an issue right now), but in terms of performance, it worked well on my Nexus One and Motorola XOOM, and Twinny had success with it on his Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 also. Similarly spec'd devices should be alright with it.

Cubical · #6 01-31-2012, 07:45 PM

Is it possible top get into beta testing for it do I have something to do 8 hours a day at work

Fulg0reSama · #7 02-01-2012, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Cubical

Is it possible top get into beta testing for it

I'm curious about this as well

iPaul · #8 02-01-2012, 05:48 AM

omg hurry uPPPPPPPP

CCZCOOL · #9 02-01-2012, 10:18 AM

I would pay much more for it to be able to play on actual computer servers and not on the dumbed-down, dull, limited systems such as are found on idevices/facebook. <3

I would pay to have this on beta even, buggy and all.

Crono · #10 02-01-2012, 10:22 AM

p2 @ 233mhz ran graal fine and it looked about the same ;]

Cubical · #11 02-01-2012, 03:08 PM

Yeah my phone is like 100 times better than that

Skyld · #12 02-01-2012, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cubical

Is it possible top get into beta testing for it do I have something to do 8 hours a day at work

Not sure if there will be an open beta test yet.

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Originally Posted by CCZCOOL

I would pay much more for it to be able to play on actual computer servers and not on the dumbed-down, dull, limited systems such as are found on idevices/facebook. <3

In practice this is not very straight-forward; PC servers are notoriously bad for running lots of clientside scripts and timeouts which slow down Graal on slower devices. I noticed that a lot of PC servers were quite playable on the XOOM tablet (aside from the differences in controls), but were very laggy on the Nexus One. I've yet to test it with the Galaxy Nexus.

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Originally Posted by Crono

p2 @ 233mhz ran graal fine and it looked about the same ;]

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Originally Posted by Cubical

Yeah my phone is like 100 times better than that

A lot of the problem here is that devices use frequency scaling to reduce the processor speed in order to save battery, and more to the point, that the graphics pipelines in most devices are a lot slower than in PCs. For example, we noticed a big difference in performance on Classic iPhone on older devices when not drawing the nicknames. It's not "just" the CPU speed that makes a difference. Touchscreen drivers also use a huge amount of processing time, which means if the device is actively tracking your fingers at a given moment, that's much less processing power available to the applications until you stop touching the screen.

CCZCOOL · #13 02-02-2012, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyld

Not sure if there will be an open beta test yet.

In practice this is not very straight-forward; PC servers are notoriously bad for running lots of clientside scripts and timeouts which slow down Graal on slower devices. I noticed that a lot of PC servers were quite playable on the XOOM tablet (aside from the differences in controls), but were very laggy on the Nexus One. I've yet to test it with the Galaxy Nexus.

A lot of the problem here is that devices use frequency scaling to reduce the processor speed in order to save battery, and more to the point, that the graphics pipelines in most devices are a lot slower than in PCs. For example, we noticed a big difference in performance on Classic iPhone on older devices when not drawing the nicknames. It's not "just" the CPU speed that makes a difference. Touchscreen drivers also use a huge amount of processing time, which means if the device is actively tracking your fingers at a given moment, that's much less processing power available to the applications until you stop touching the screen.

I'm not a handheld-savvy like you seem to be. Do the devices still throttle power when connected to something providing it power? I wouldn't mind being able to play on an almost-real PC server, on a tablet/phone if I had to be plugged into a wall as much as I mind playing Graal on an iphone. I have the app...I just cannot tolerate all the features which have been eliminated or how difficult it has become just to hold a conversation with another player. So I don't play it on the iphone. If I could access UN (for example) from a handheld portable device, and be able to see a playerlist, to play events, and to chat with my friends...this would totally be awesome.

Skyld · #14 02-02-2012, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CCZCOOL

I'm not a handheld-savvy like you seem to be. Do the devices still throttle power when connected to something providing it power? I wouldn't mind being able to play on an almost-real PC server, on a tablet/phone if I had to be plugged into a wall as much as I mind playing Graal on an iphone.

Depending on the device, the frequency scaling either will take place to a lesser extent when connected to AC power, or it'll simply run the CPU at normal power until being disconnected again. The limiting factor tends not to be just the CPU though, but also the graphics capability of the device and memory available.

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Originally Posted by CCZCOOL

I have the app...I just cannot tolerate all the features which have been eliminated or how difficult it has become just to hold a conversation with another player. So I don't play it on the iphone. If I could access UN (for example) from a handheld portable device, and be able to see a playerlist, to play events, and to chat with my friends...this would totally be awesome.

This is quite a real possibility as far as tablets are concerned, but I think an unlikely one still. The problem still lies in the fact that most servers are not equipped to deal with touchscreen-only players properly; there are years of scripts on the PC servers which were never designed with touch users in mind. My server (Rudora) is a good concept of both PC and touch players being supported equally, but a lot of the code was written to be that way. Unfortunately Stefan is not as keen on the scripting on Rudora if it were to be used for a mobile server, preferring to replace it with the code that is used on Classic iPhone instead.

CCZCOOL · #15 02-03-2012, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Skyld

Depending on the device, the frequency scaling either will take place to a lesser extent when connected to AC power, or it'll simply run the CPU at normal power until being disconnected again. The limiting factor tends not to be just the CPU though, but also the graphics capability of the device and memory available.

This is quite a real possibility as far as tablets are concerned, but I think an unlikely one still. The problem still lies in the fact that most servers are not equipped to deal with touchscreen-only players properly; there are years of scripts on the PC servers which were never designed with touch users in mind. My server (Rudora) is a good concept of both PC and touch players being supported equally, but a lot of the code was written to be that way. Unfortunately Stefan is not as keen on the scripting on Rudora if it were to be used for a mobile server, preferring to replace it with the code that is used on Classic iPhone instead.

And for those tablets/phones that have attachable keyboards? Asus EEE Transformer 1/2, Atrix 4g, etc. Couldn't those use standard coding? Obviously a few tweaks would be required but the majority of the scripts are designed to run with a keyboard and these have keyboards.

Thanks for responding though.

Skyld · #16 02-03-2012, 12:12 AM

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And for those tablets/phones that have attachable keyboards? Asus EEE Transformer 1/2, Atrix 4g, etc. Couldn't those use standard coding? Obviously a few tweaks would be required but the majority of the scripts are designed to run with a keyboard and these have keyboards.

Thanks for responding though.

Moreso, yes, but the touch input is still a factor when dealing with all of the on-screen GUIs and such; it's rarely as simple as "just stick a keyboard on it"

Deas_Voice · #17 02-03-2012, 11:55 PM

cool story bro #HTCDesireZUser #isupfortestingevenifitsaclosedone #twitteradict

Matman58 · #18 05-22-2012, 04:15 PM

So its nearly the end of May and we still dont have Android version yet....can we get an update on this? Last thing was we should hear something in Feb or Mar.

cbk1994 · #19 05-22-2012, 04:53 PM

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So its nearly the end of May and we still dont have Android version yet....can we get an update on this? Last thing was we should hear something in Feb or Mar.

You must be new here. It hasn't even been a year past the projected date yet.

Admins · #20 05-22-2012, 10:06 PM

It's making some progress behind the scenes though

Classic now works in multiple resolutions and the new login system is close to be finished and doesn't require udid or Facebook id, which was an important step for the Android version.

Rave_J · #21 05-23-2012, 12:42 AM

someone ask i what Andriod Device that u can run it on pretty much as long u got the space MB required to download it and access to play store you can get it.
u might be laggy idk prob wont know until its release.
i know LG Samsung can for sure since it can play 3d shooting games

Skyld · #22 05-23-2012, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Rave_J

someone ask i what Andriod Device that u can run it on pretty much as long u got the space MB required to download it and access to play store you can get it.
u might be laggy idk prob wont know until its release.
i know LG Samsung can for sure since it can play 3d shooting games

Devices around the 1GHz CPU, 512mb RAM, most PowerVR/Tegra graphics should be able to play Graal reasonably well, but will need testing before specific devices can be proven. If I remember correctly, Android 2.2 may be required, but Stefan would have to confirm/deny that.

Graal ran well for me on the HTC Google Nexus One, Samsung Galaxy Nexus and Motorola XOOM tablet, and I understand there has also been success with the HTC Desire, Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 and Samsung Galaxy S also. A lot of new devices will probably exceed the required specs, but more basic devices like the HTC Wildfire and other comparable phones may struggle.

Rave_J · #23 05-23-2012, 06:07 AM

i have a Samsung Galaxy Attain™ 4G ill be willing to test the andriod app on the device if needed too

Pauli · #24 05-23-2012, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyld

Devices around the 1GHz CPU, 512mb RAM, most PowerVR/Tegra graphics should be able to play Graal reasonably well, but will need testing before specific devices can be proven. If I remember correctly, Android 2.2 may be required, but Stefan would have to confirm/deny that.

Graal ran well for me on the HTC Google Nexus One, Samsung Galaxy Nexus and Motorola XOOM tablet, and I understand there has also been success with the HTC Desire, Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 and Samsung Galaxy S also. A lot of new devices will probably exceed the required specs, but more basic devices like the HTC Wildfire and other comparable phones may struggle.

There will be no problems for the htc sensation family

Matman58 · #25 05-24-2012, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

It's making some progress behind the scenes though

Classic now works in multiple resolutions and the new login system is close to be finished and doesn't require udid or Facebook id, which was an important step for the Android version.

Thanks for the update.

Crono · #26 05-24-2012, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

It's making some progress behind the scenes though

Classic now works in multiple resolutions and the new login system is close to be finished and doesn't require udid or Facebook id, which was an important step for the Android version.

nice.

Deas_Voice · #27 05-24-2012, 09:53 PM

nice with an update.

let me try it out >:O! (please)
HTC Desire Z, Keyboard <3. ROM: cyanogenmod.

hi skyld

Fulg0reSama · #28 05-24-2012, 10:02 PM

I volunteer for beta testing.

Best bug finder on this site of the interwebs.

Matman58 · #29 06-07-2012, 11:06 PM

I wouldn't mind beta testing this as well. Especially since I would assume it should run great on my Galaxy S III I will have in like a week.

Matman58 · #30 07-06-2012, 07:50 AM

Another month has come and gone so I figure I would revive this post again and ask if there are any further status updates on Graal for Android? Thanks.

Tim_Rocks · #31 07-06-2012, 10:15 AM