SUPERNANNY, A Good Manager?

TheAppircesKid · #1 10-13-2009, 02:05 AM

Who here still thinks SN is doing a splendid job managing ZONE? I sure don't. I would explain the reasons why, but they are quite obvious and i don't think i need to state them. If you disagree and have a good reason feel free to explain why, but do not give "be patient he is working on it" excuse, it's been said too many times and we have waited long enough.

Dante55555 · #2 10-13-2009, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by TheAppircesKid

I would explain the reasons why, but they are quite obvious and i don't think i need to state them.

I have no idea how good or bad he's doing because I haven't touched the Graal client or the forums in a couple of months. Enlighten me (and everyone else) as to what sinister deeds he's committed.

All I know is when I logged on for a visit today, there was a total of 3 people on Zone. Last time I checked (Summer, maybe?) Zone had a steady playercount. What happened?

Nataxo · #3 10-13-2009, 02:19 AM

I say they should get good dev staff and implement some of Zones MANY SUGGESTIONS IDEAS (threads). I personally suggest the catastrophic suggestion/Tsu's idea.

I heard SN and Ían are working on something cool = thumbs up.

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What happened?

Jesse quit. He was preety much what was keeping Zone with a heartbeat

TheAppircesKid · #4 10-13-2009, 02:22 AM

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what sinister deeds he's committed.

You don't have to commit a sinister deed to be a bad manager

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there was a total of 3 people on Zone

Don't you think if it was properly managed it would a much higher playercount?

TheAppircesKid · #5 10-13-2009, 02:26 AM

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I heard SN and Ían are working on something cool = thumbs up.

"do not give "be patient he is working on it" as an excuse"

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Jesse quit. He was preety much what was keeping Zone with a heartbeat

Probably was.

Dante55555 · #6 10-13-2009, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TheAppircesKid

You don't have to commit a sinister deed to be a bad manager

I was being silly. I suppose I should have said something like "Could you please list in detail what exactly he has been doing wrong during his term of management that has you so upset?"

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Don't you think if it was properly managed it would a much higher playercount?

That one's debatable, but I won't get into it.

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Originally Posted by TheAppircesKid

"do not give "be patient he is working on it" as an excuse"

What else can he say? What else can he do? Wave a magic wand and fix everything overnight?

You haven't worked on the Admin level so you really don't have any room to talk. You can't begin to fathom how frustrating it is trying to get Stefan to do something, trying to get him to stop for five minutes and think about something from your perspective instead of going "hmm" and ignoring you.

TheAppircesKid · #7 10-13-2009, 02:52 AM

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What else can he say? What else can he do? Wave a magic wand and fix everything overnight?

He has had about 2-3 months now and the playercount has only gone down

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You haven't worked on the Admin level so you really don't have any room to talk.

So everyone that hasn't been an admin should simply just shut up? i don't think so.

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You can't begin to fathom how frustrating it is trying to get Stefan to do something, trying to get him to stop for five minutes and think about something from your perspective instead of going "hmm" and ignoring you

Previous admins have gone through the same thing and from what i can see, zone was in better hands before.

MagikMasterMind · #8 10-13-2009, 03:01 AM

People complain when there's a lack of update, once they make an update, people are complaining about the updates. It's not an easy situation I guess.

As for the updates, we always need to wait after Stefan since we got no control after making the scripts, which means the time it takes for releases isn't necessarly SN's fault. When he's asking to be patient, there's a reason.

Dante55555 · #9 10-13-2009, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by TheAppircesKid

He has had about 2-3 months now and the playercount has only gone down

What is the cause of that? Please elaborate upon your accusations instead of just sitting there saying "SN."

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So everyone that hasn't been an admin should simply just shut up? i don't think so.

Oh, you can say all you want. I encourage you to express your opinions, by all means. It's just not fair for you to go on about someone doing a poor job of managing a Gold Server when you've never done it before.

I admit that you don't have to have been a manager to see a poor job being done.

Managing a server is one of those things I wish I could have just said "Here! YOU try it" to the people who would tell me I was doing a bad job. It's really not as easy as you think.

In conclusion, a campaign against the current Manager isn't what Zone needs, right now.

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Previous admins have gone through the same thing and from what i can see, zone was in better hands before.

Debatable, but it's not something I feel like getting into.

Dante396 · #10 10-13-2009, 03:06 AM

"Be patient he's working on it" - this is the excuse but the truth. An astounding update is being worked on, and hopefully it will be brought out before long.

I disagree with you, "TheAppircesKid", I think Supernanny is doing a great job as Zone's manager. Supernanny may not be a developer, but he has hired extremely skilled developers. One who had worked as a GST; and another who was the previous leader of the Graal3D project. Things that has already been done can take week(s) since SN doesn't have scripting skills so he has to rely on Stefan to transfer it over to Zone. Supernanny has directed Zone staff into a vast project for Zone, one to make the weapon system more balanced, as working with the stream of problems that Zone has now. There isn't much updates being released right now, but something big is being worked on. As not much updates were being released or worked on when Vulcan was administrating Zone. Overall, Supernanny is not paid while the previous administrators were, and still he is doing everything he could do. He still builds Zone up no matter how much disturbance players like you intend Supernanny to be.

TheAppircesKid · #11 10-13-2009, 04:18 AM

It's funny how most of you jumped to the conclusion of there being no updates and poor updates. Updates are not the only things he is responsible for. He is also the ETA, the FAQ Admin, and the ADMIN. Have you looked at the staff list? (listed below)

Admins:
-pooper200000 (Supernanny)

ETs/Zone Police:
-MagikMasterMind
-Tenchry_P2P

Planet-PAs:
FAQs:
-MagikMasterMind

Tsunami is basically the only staff on ZONE that is active (besides SN). SN hasn't even hired a decent amount of staff to help him out. If he had more staff to help him out, it would make it easier on his side to manage zone. SN is basically trying to manage zone's community by himself. SN doesn't need to wait for Stefan in order to hire Staff

Dante396 · #12 10-13-2009, 04:33 AM

It's not every day you see an available skilled Developer. And ETs and FAQs are not needed right now.

I think you forgot to mention these guys:

Scripters:
PFA (tolnaftate2004)
Codein
Zokemon

Ganiers:
Switch/Novice
Minomato (Also does minor GFX work)

Graphics:
Arch_Angel
Elk

TheAppircesKid · #13 10-13-2009, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MagikMasterMind

People complain when there's a lack of update, once they make an update, people are complaining about the updates. It's not an easy situation I guess.

Players would not complain on the updates if they liked them, which means it is the developer's fault. If a company put a new product out on the store shelf and customers did not like it, would that we the customers' fault or the company's?

I have herd of a couple of good updates "coming soon" for about 2-3 months, but of course they were never released. When i asked SN about them, he told me that they had not been completed yet (this was 3 weeks ago or so), If he has such an awesome team working on them, why aren't they finished??

jkool666 · #14 10-13-2009, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Nataxo

Jesse quit. He was preety much what was keeping Zone with a heartbeat

Aww your so sweet

. But no, the combination of Dan and I both quitting killed Zone :P. For all the good ideas I have, their useless unless I can convince someone (Dan) to script them.

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Originally Posted by TheAppircesKid

Tsunami is basically the only staff on ZONE that is active (besides SN). SN hasn't even hired a decent amount of staff to help him out.

Zone doesn't need anymore FAQs or ETs with the playercount it has. Zone needs dedicated development staff. What could SN need help with in-game that he can't handle on his own? Zone used to do fine with 2 ETs (me and huwajuxy

) and NO OTHER in-game staff, and back then the playercount was always 40+. We should be thankful Supernanny isn't trigger happy when it comes to hiring non-dev staff members, especially in times like these.

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Overall, Supernanny is not paid while the previous administrators were, and still he is doing everything he could do.

Now now, Dan was the only other Administator who was paid. Gambet and Vulcan seen no pay cheque. And the amount Dan was paid was very...very... low.

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All I know is when I logged on for a visit today, there was a total of 3 people on Zone. Last time I checked (Summer, maybe?) Zone had a steady playercount. What happened?

Well Gambet came back, scripted mega for Zone and got it a steady playercount. Then details were left out, but it seems that Supernanny and Gambet had some sort of disagreement, causing Gambet to leave. I'll forum PM you what seemed like it went down to avoid post deletion ;P.

BigBear3 · #15 10-13-2009, 04:36 AM

Supermanager.

Dante396 · #16 10-13-2009, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TheAppircesKid

Players would not complain on the updates if they liked them, which means it is the developer's fault. If a company put a new product out on the store shelf and customers did not like it, would that we the customers' fault or the company's?

I have herd of a couple of good updates "coming soon" for about 2-3 months, but of course they were never released. When i asked SN about them, he told me that they had not been completed yet (this was 3 weeks ago or so), If he has such an awesome team working on them, why aren't they finished??

He has a perfect team, it's just their activity slowing down the progress.

TheAppircesKid · #17 10-13-2009, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Dante396

It's not every day you see an available skilled Developer. And ETs and FAQs are not needed right now.

Why not? ETs help plan events that attract players to the server. Zone is a server where players FIEND for events and having ETs that plan and host decent events once in a while would get a few players. FAQs are not needed? lol are you serious? If a new player came on and did not know how to play and what the objective on a certain map was, who would he ask, other players?...oh wait...Zone currently doesn't have any players...

. And even if it did have a significant amount of players, not all players would help out the "noob"

Dante396 · #18 10-13-2009, 04:43 AM

Uhmm I would help xD

And I Jesse just explained this, the playercount is too low to have ETs or FAQs.

Are YOU serious? you already said how no players are going to be on Zone, so what is that "noob" going to do? If he gets help or not he still won't continue to play Graal, I don't think he's going to want to play with himself.

darksage15 · #19 10-13-2009, 04:47 AM

Well, given that SuperNanny is most likely reading this thread, I'd say he's doing a fine job as manager!

kia345 · #20 10-13-2009, 04:51 AM

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He has a perfect team, it's just their activity slowing down the progress.

Then they're evidently not the perfect team

jkool666 · #21 10-13-2009, 04:51 AM

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He has a perfect team, it's just their activity slowing down the progress.

Then it isn't the perfect team.

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Why not? ETs help plan events that attract players to the server.

Events only can offer a temporary playercount boost. Solid updates are needed to keep players. To have solid updates you need active dev staff.

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Zone is a server where players FIEND for events and having ETs that plan and host decent events once in a while would get a few players.

Errrm...

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-Strong Push for Events
For a while there was a hard push for more events, with the introduction of an Events Team Admin especially. This is definitely my fault as well unfortunately, but I was working with the things that were being developed. Zone had become an events based server where the community rely'd on seeing a lot of events hosted off to be content with the gameplay.

Yeah my bad... Zone shouldn't have never been a server that fiended for events, I take partial blame for causing it to be for a period of time.

TheAppircesKid · #22 10-13-2009, 04:52 AM

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Zone doesn't need anymore FAQs or ETs with the playercount it has. Zone needs dedicated development staff. What could SN need help with in-game that he can't handle on his own? Zone used to do fine with 2 ETs (me and huwajuxy

) and NO OTHER in-game staff, and back then the playercount was always 40+. We should be thankful Supernanny isn't trigger happy when it comes to hiring non-dev staff members, especially in times like these.

I am not saying he needs to hire 10 ETs and 10 FAQs, but certainly having 1 ET/FAQ doesn't do the job, specailly when SN doesn't host (he barely even did when he was an ET). If you have not noticed updates are usually a failure. Look for example at the newest planet..what's it called...Bunker, it was a huge failure.

There was an update called "vehicleround" or something where players got on mechs and basically had a war (i bet some of you don't even know what i am talking about since it was hosted like once). Now since it was an EVENT update, it can not be hosted if there are ETs on now can it? So even updates won't always help zone. Having in-game staff has a HUGE impact on the player count and always will

Dante396 · #23 10-13-2009, 04:54 AM

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Then they're evidently not the perfect team

I meant just for creating things for Zone, or how skilled the team is.

kia345 · #24 10-13-2009, 04:55 AM

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I meant just for creating things for Zone, or how skilled the team is.

Didn't he already run off the perfect team? Hell, even Gambet quit if I recall correctly. It's a terrible team lineup, regardless of how talented they are, if they can't even show up.

TheAppircesKid · #25 10-13-2009, 04:55 AM

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Well, given that SuperNanny is most likely reading this thread, I'd say he's doing a fine job as manager!

Funny how MANY players say stuff when "SN" is not watching, i would mention a few but that wouldn't be right..

DustyPorViva · #26 10-13-2009, 04:56 AM

"Be patient! I know you've been waiting for over a year for some substantial updates, but you guys are being really impatient. And just because you haven't seen any updates or in fact any signs of life at all on the server doesn't mean there aren't super secret plans that will fix everything! ... but we aren't going to release the slightest bit of detail as to what, so just trust us! Ya, I know the server practically has no players either, but you really should trust us. We have a good track record, no?"

jkool666 · #27 10-13-2009, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TheAppircesKid

I am not saying he needs to hire 10 ETs and 10 FAQs, but certainly having 1 ET/FAQ doesn't do the job, specailly when SN doesn't host (he barely even did when he was an ET).

Zone dones't need more then 2 small events/week (not including Guild Events, which it should have).
From my experience with ET on Zone, I'd say only 1 ET is needed for every 20 active players. Once Zone has a playercount of 40 fairly often, hire another ET

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I don't think you understand, TheAppircesKid, Zone doesn't need playerside staff members when the playercount never reaches 10.

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If you have not noticed updates are usually a failure. Look for example at the newest planet..what's it called...Bunker, it was a huge failure.

Bunker was released over a year ago, but okay...

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Having in-game staff has a HUGE impact on the player count and always will

In-game staff have never had a HUGE impact on the playercount, and has NEVER had an impact on the long-term playercount. Some in-game staff members might have temporarily caused a large playercount, but that wasn't permanent.

Dante396 · #28 10-13-2009, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

"Be patient! I know you've been waiting for over a year for some substantial updates, but you guys are being really impatient. And just because you haven't seen any updates or in fact any signs of life at all on the server doesn't mean there aren't super secret plans that will fix everything! ... but we aren't going to release the slightest bit of detail as to what, so just trust us! Ya, I know the server practically has no players either, but you really should trust us. We have a good track record, no?"

I think this thread should end with this.

TheAppircesKid · #29 10-13-2009, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

"Be patient! I know you've been waiting for over a year for some substantial updates, but you guys are being really impatient. And just because you haven't seen any updates or in fact any signs of life at all on the server doesn't mean there aren't super secret plans that will fix everything! ... but we aren't going to release the slightest bit of detail as to what, so just trust us! Ya, I know the server practically has no players either, but you really should trust us. We have a good track record, no?"

*not sure if you are being sarcastic here*...if you aren't, i disagree..who the hell would want to wait for a year?

TheAppircesKid · #30 10-13-2009, 05:03 AM

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Some in-game staff members might have temporarily caused a large playercount, but that wasn't permanent.

Umm..i could say the same about the recent updates... they don't keep players around for a long time. If they did keep players, the playercount wouldn't be 3.

Dante396 · #31 10-13-2009, 05:04 AM

Honestly, we should just wait and see what will happen. If there will be many players on the update then you're wrong, if not, you're still wrong xD

If the update doesnt go as planned, SN would still be a good manager for putting a lot of effort into the update.

kia345 · #32 10-13-2009, 05:04 AM

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SN would still be a good manager for a lot of effort into it.

What effort, SN isn't a developer

jkool666 · #33 10-13-2009, 05:04 AM

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Umm..i could say the same about the recent updates... they don't keep players around for a long time. If they did keep players, the playercount wouldn't be 3.

That doesn't change my point that in-game staff don't give the server permanent players. I'm not argueing whether or not recent updates have kept players.

The Squad System WOULD HAVE been an extremely good update if they had released it at a better time... And altered a few problems within it...

Dante396 · #34 10-13-2009, 05:07 AM

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What effort, SN isn't a developer

I explained how SN is helping out on my first post in this thread.

TheAppircesKid · #35 10-13-2009, 05:07 AM

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I'm not argueing whether or not recent updates have kept players.

Well they haven't and if updates don't help, and you say in-game staff won't help? what or who will?..are you waiting for Obama to become manager or something... i can't wait that long...

TheAppircesKid · #36 10-13-2009, 05:08 AM

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If there will be many players on the update then you're wrong, if not, you're still wrong xD

If the update doesnt go as planned, SN would still be a good manager for putting a lot of effort into the update.

You are one confused boy or girl....

Dante396 · #37 10-13-2009, 05:10 AM

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You are one confused boy or girl....

How so?

kia345 · #38 10-13-2009, 05:10 AM

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I explained how SN is helping out on my first post in this thread.

Yes, but you were completely wrong in your explanations, and justified everyone's doubt by admitting they were inactive. So SN failed as a manager by hiring people who fail as developers.

because he hired his friends dohohoho

Dante396 · #39 10-13-2009, 05:14 AM

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Yes, but you were completely wrong in your explanations, and justified everyone's doubt by admitting they were inactive. So SN failed as a manager by hiring people who fail as developers.

because he hired his friends dohohoho

Stuff is still being worked on even though they don't have great activity, therefore its still PROGRESSING.

And like I said it's not easy to find an extremely skilled active developer.

jkool666 · #40 10-13-2009, 05:15 AM

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And like I said it's not easy to find an extremely skilled active developer.

Well we had one, Supernanny scared him away though... *waves @ Gambet*

Stefan HIMSELF tried to hire scripters for Zone. His calls were unanswered (other then Gambet).