Miscellaneous Kingdom Discussion

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by GoZelda

Roleplaying wasn't 'made'... And I doubt that the origins were solely 'made' for fun.

Uh, roleplaying was made as a form of entertainment, its a form of immersive dynamic storytelling. But do tell, what factors of roleplaying are more important than having fun? If you just have fun doing whatever and don't follow any rp rules, well of course that's not RPing, but when it comes to RPing, what is more important than having fun while you are rping?

[GryffonDurime]

If the majority of RPers are humans that would hate Zormites for being another race, why haven't they jumped up and slaughtered the infidel Elves of the Forest?

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by GryffonDurime

If the majority of RPers are humans that would hate Zormites for being another race, why haven't they jumped up and slaughtered the infidel Elves of the Forest?

I missed that - why would the human's hate zormites for being another race?

If zormites were human hating and genocidal then it would be cause for concern. My problem with them reverting to fish now is that it would undo GK history retroactively, which whether sad or not, is the only rp history we've been building for the last few years.

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by busyrobot

I missed that - why would the human's hate zormites for being another race?

If zormites were human hating and genocidal then it would be cause for concern. My problem with them reverting to fish now is that it would undo GK history retroactively, which whether sad or not, is the only rp history we've been building for the last few years.

And you step on your own feet here!
You fail to listen to me -_-

Just as we cant forget 2k2 history, they cant forget 2k1 history. And according to the timeline 2k1 set about there is no Zormite Republic.

So this is what you do. You rename it! GASP! The Zormites established a colony on an island but a tribe of primative humans attacked the settlements and the Zormites gave up on colonizing it.

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

And you step on your own feet here!
You fail to listen to me -_-

Just as we cant forget 2k2 history, they cant forget 2k1 history. And according to the timeline 2k1 set about there is no Zormite Republic.

As you said yourself, the two histories are inconsistant with each other. Since 2k2 history is far more relevant (it is contemporary, is played, and is directly tied to the active server), it takes priority, naturally.

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by busyrobot

As you said yourself, the two histories are inconsistant with each other. Since 2k2 history is far more relevant (it is contemporary, is played, and is directly tied to the active server), it takes priority, naturally.

No, no it doesn't...

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

No, no it doesn't...

Then explain why.

2k1 hasn't been played in years, 2k2 is being played as we speak and has been played for years. The interruptions caused by the changes that occured between 2k1 and 2k2 were years ago, and changing 2k2's history now to resemble 2k1 better would create new interruptions now.

This isn't superstring theory, its rather basic logic 101. So explain with some logic just why.

How can 2k1's history be more relevant to players than the history those very players have been a part of creating for the last several years?

[fireedragn]

Zurk, you're right. 2K2 Zormites are supposed to be fishes. However if you made a strong case for retaining Zormite's fishiness way back when, then maybe something could have been done about it. Unfortunately, now it's just too late. I'd love to see Zormite become fishes again, but it won't happen. I agree with you that Zormite needs to change it's name because, in reality, it isn't even Zormite anymore.


Anyway, I agree that CP started to decline just as, or right before, Ghost Pirate left. GK was at it's high point when the highest level was 10ish. Now, GK is just a rotting, disease-ridden, smelly carcass. GK needs to die before it can live again. We need a server reset, dammit.

P.S. The original kingdom leaders were probably the best. I wish they'd come back.

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by busyrobot

Then explain why.

2k1 hasn't been played in years, 2k2 is being played as we speak and has been played for years. The interruptions caused by the changes that occured between 2k1 and 2k2 were years ago, and changing 2k2's history now to resemble 2k1 better would create new interruptions now.

This isn't superstring theory, its rather basic logic 101. So explain with some logic just why.

How can 2k1's history be more relevant to players than the history those very players have been a part of creating for the last several years?

I'll give you an answer when you supply me a question, a real question. You are a hypocrite and you obviously want the Zormites to remain human.

Like I said before, because a book is never read doesn't mean there is no story.

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

I'll give you an answer when you supply me a question, a real question. You are a hypocrite and you obviously want the Zormites to remain human.

Like I said before, because a book is never read doesn't mean there is no story.

Um

Originally Posted by busyrobot

How can 2k1's history be more relevant to players than the history those very players have been a part of creating for the last several years?

I never said 2k1 didn't have a story or that it was never read, just that regardless of whether its been read or not, why do you claim it is more relevant to players than the history those players have been a part of creating for the last several years?

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by busyrobot

I never said 2k1 didn't have a story or that it was never read, just that regardless of whether its been read or not, why do you claim it is more relevant to players than the history those players have been a part of creating for the last several years?

Wow, you did too say 2k1 didn't have a story. '2k1 is dead so it doesn't count', along those lines.

You said that it doesn't count... so if there is no book then there is no story.

And the German soldiers fought for Germany in WWII, not to kill the Jews. But when you see their flag that is what you see. If people are misinformed then they build from that misinformation. If I say that I have proof that the world is cubical then some scientist could say 'I have proof that the angles are perfect 90 degree angles'... it just builds ontop of each other, but in the end it is -wrong-.

People write stories to correspond to an overall story. If I were to write a book, lets say a fantasy book, then I would not put in 'OMGZ NE1 GOTZ 1?'. No, if you want to include that information then you would word it differently.

This is Zen's story: Revolution against Toran - Rise of the Archist Party.
Here is the real story: Revolution against Toran - Zen does traditional stuff - Makes it into Zormite Republic

He rewrote the story to follow a better roleplaying book.

So how do we solve this? The Zormites say their history was fish OR they just cut all ties from Zormite and make a new kingdom. A rose is not a tulip no matter how long you look at it. What's so wrong with becoming the Booga Republic or what ever? Would it really take that much work? If it would then I would personally do the work.

Padren, final request. Start to be logical and stop being a damn hypocrite

[Nappa]

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

So how do we solve this? The Zormites say their history was fish OR they just cut all ties from Zormite and make a new kingdom. A rose is not a tulip no matter how long you look at it. What's so wrong with becoming the Booga Republic or what ever? Would it really take that much work? If it would then I would personally do the work.

This is all that I want. I am not forcing you guys to do anything else. You guys have already thrown away the fact that the entire 2k1 Zormite existed, cut all ties with them and change your name. Your name is Zormite because you know, it has to do with the fact that you are (supposed to be) fishes.

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[GoZelda]

I'd just like to state the following:
On 2k1, the Zormites hated humans. Correct?
So, when they got blasted away from 2k1 and had to sail to some stupid island, they ofcourse still hated the humans - the moon probably was their fault somehow.
So, when some settlers come on their island, they're just gonna take it?
Like wtf. Even if you don't hate a certain race you won't just let them take your ground. The Zormites would have to be slaughtered, or the humans.
So, if the Zormites won, how the bloody hell comes they aren't fishes?
So, if the humans won, how the bloody hell comes they're call themselves Zormites?

There. Go write a new pathetic attempt at covering up your kingdom's ineptitude at RPing.

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by GoZelda

So, when they got blasted away from 2k1 and had to sail to some stupid island, they ofcourse still hated the humans - the moon probably was their fault somehow.

Techincally the Zormites never left the 2k1 island. They were the only kingdom to remain behind, they did establish a small colony though. Then the metor hit and communications were lost for a short time.

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

Wow, you did too say 2k1 didn't have a story. '2k1 is dead so it doesn't count', along those lines.

You said that it doesn't count... so if there is no book then there is no story.

It has a story but it is dead, and when you weight two equal RP disruptions, one being zormite going human, and the other of zormite going to fish, you have to weigh which distrupts the past and what disrupts the present to determine which is of greater importance.

Look, I am not being hypcritical. If Zormite started out as human, but became fish the moment GK started - I would be arguing they need to stay fish. If 2k1 had gone with a human zormite dispite your wishes, and changed to fish at the start of 2k2, I doubt you'd be arguing for a change of them to humans now.

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

And the German soldiers fought for Germany in WWII, not to kill the Jews. But when you see their flag that is what you see. If people are misinformed then they build from that misinformation. If I say that I have proof that the world is cubical then some scientist could say 'I have proof that the angles are perfect 90 degree angles'... it just builds ontop of each other, but in the end it is -wrong-.

Um, I don't understand what you are saying here. The German soldiers fought for Germany and the extermination of the Jews, and I suspect their families back home would feel reprocussions if they defected, so you can throw that into the mix too.
What do you mean by their flag - the **** flag? Yeah...that pretty much stands for all the goals of the 3rd Reich. What are you getting at?

The world is not cubical and that is a demonstratable fact. You build on something faulty it falls apart. I assume you are implying that I am building on some element of false logic, but I have agreed with all your factual points, such as that Zormite of course was a fish kingdom on 2k1 and was a human kingdom at the start of 2k2. What other 'mis'facts do you think I am wrongly building on?

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

People write stories to correspond to an overall story. If I were to write a book, lets say a fantasy book, then I would not put in 'OMGZ NE1 GOTZ 1?'.

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Originally Posted by Zurkiba

No, if you want to include that information then you would word it differently.

This is Zen's story: Revolution against Toran - Rise of the Archist Party.
Here is the real story: Revolution against Toran - Zen does traditional stuff - Makes it into Zormite Republic

Elements like 'Zen does traditional stuff' are exceptionally vague - you can't expect that to mean anything to anyone who doesn't know what it references in your head.

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

He rewrote the story to follow a better roleplaying book.

I think that GK as a whole staff wise, is responsible for the 'zormite of humans' thing.

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

So how do we solve this? The Zormites say their history was fish OR they just cut all ties from Zormite and make a new kingdom. A rose is not a tulip no matter how long you look at it. What's so wrong with becoming the Booga Republic or what ever? Would it really take that much work? If it would then I would personally do the work.

On GK the Zormites have never had a history of fish. On GK they have always been the Zormites, and your strange obsession with making some perfect matchup with 2k1 may make sense to you but has a high cost to GK and does no real good.

So, you want to say, that Zormite has been fish all along, and when they fought along side us they were actually killing us for being ebil humans, and everything that has happened in the entire history of GK just doesn't matter?

It is not logical to put more value on 2k1's history than on 2k2's history, when 2k1 has been out of the loop of graal for years and has nothing to do with any of the modern events in GK other than a conceptual seed at the origin of GK.

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

Padren, final request. Start to be logical and stop being a damn hypocrite

Get over yourself. Your logic is flawed. As I said, if zormite started out as humans and changed to fish at the start of GK, I'd be arguing they should stay fish. I am consistant and not being hypocritical at all. Look up the word if you have to.