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Old 02-18-2009, 01:46 AM
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I'm just very tired of seeing player such as Kill and Laura complain about every thing
Since when have I "complained about everything" ?, the HD IS appauling, you even said so yourself a few weeks back, yet have suddenly changed views... I wonder why.
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yet do nothing to help the effort
I have no interest in FAQ, can't do little to no work for Development, applied for GP when they were hiring.

The only way I can see myself contributing to Classic is through hosting and developing new events, or rather, a GC.

I PM'ed Night x7 at different times asking him to start hirings so I can send an app. Even before when he was active, yet got no replies. I am willing to help Classic, but my expertise is and only has been through being a GC.
I can see myself as a good GC Admin actually, much more active, constant hirings: spice everything up.
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Old 02-18-2009, 02:11 AM
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I'm not here to argue such points like but, but just for hells sake, how about every CTF game you play or every event someone hosts where you tell the GC in a mass that the event sucks, this HD sucks, everything sucks? I've admitted that I don't like the current Hd, and I've also said several times I'd rather this one more than the serverside though.

I also tried persuading Night to get rid of some of our more inactive GC's, but Night isn't even active himself to know who hosts or not.

@Xaphan: You payed about...what? 15-20 Euro in 2004-2005? Still expect benefits of that to this very day? You pay more for some silly adventure game for the PS2 or gamecube which doesn't even last you that long. Maybe if a new player who was constantly paying for their account complaining would sound a bit more justified.There are other servers rather than Classic, which could better suit your money if you're willing to go that far. I find it very immature to yell at current developers for doing volunteer work that they don't have to do. Someone pulled out that they are responsible now since they wanted to be development. That sounds selfish actually. Soup Kitchen Idea: Someone yells at you because the soup wasn't catered to their tastes. No one should put up with that. Blame Master Storm all you want. I agree with what Dusty said there because Master Storm has no intention of quitting and he is doing nothing along with that. This whole game is about community created stuff. No you don't have to develop to expect good things on a server, but if you want things done your way/quicker, might as well give a hand. Otherwise wait for Classic Dev to release something worth your time. I hate speaking in their defense so much but selfish comments irritate me.
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Old 02-18-2009, 02:37 AM
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I've paid those €20 Euros about 3 times, I didn't just pay once then stay with lifetime Classic, I was a Gold/VIP member for 3 of those 4 years. What the hell do you mean "still expecting benefits"? I'm not after benefits I'm after a game that I enjoyed for the most part of the first 3 years I started playing. I expect the game to get better, I don't expect benefits. That's what game developers do don't they? Develop games so it gets better and brings in new players. That benefits everyone, not just me, so how is that selfish?

I am complaining because they are killing what Myself and others loved. We all want to see it get better, we want to see it in capable hands. It is not in capable hands. You seem happy to settle for second best, some of us aren't. We want the Classic as we've known it, not this new one where we don't even know if it will be around for much longer.

I understand that it's voluntary but that is no excuse for low standards.
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Old 02-18-2009, 02:38 AM
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how about every CTF game you play or every event someone hosts where you tell the GC in a mass that the event sucks, this HD sucks, everything sucks?
I have a right to express my opinions. Especially when they are the truth.
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Old 02-18-2009, 03:06 AM
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Those other 2 times were then for the VIP benefits of weekend Gold and UC playerworld access. You only payed once to experience p2p benefits on Classic.

I recall everybody complaining about everything. Serverside HD was complained about so many times, especially when the server moved to Europe. Clientside HD was replaced to placate the players on that concern.(It was actually decided by a bulk of the players to add that HD even when they were able to test it in different levels i think. Poll definately). Yeah it failed but blame the development team! Not the players who decided to have such a HD!

Yeah i agree Classic is in a worse state then what it was in the past year or so, but that really is in part with the failure of the staff team as a whole. Development isn't solely killing this server. And i do agree it needs to be in more capable hands. And the hands i think need to be replaced is Master Storm's.

@Kill: Yes, yes you do. But you're always discrediting a bunch of volunteer workers who are trying their best to give the players enjoyment. You contribute nothing to their effort by telling them they suck or their events are ****ty. Not to mention I haven't seen one thing that pleased you except CTF, which you still cry about as well if you aren't winning.
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Old 02-18-2009, 03:52 AM
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@Kill: Yes, yes you do. But you're always discrediting a bunch of volunteer workers who are trying their best to give the players enjoyment. Not to mention I haven't seen one thing that pleased you except CTF, which you still cry about as well if you aren't winning.
You talk as if I'm a rebel who's sole purpose of joining events is to destroy them.
I don't join an event that I know I won't enjoy, especially with this new HD.
I am usually a sportsmanship type of person; I give credit where due, and take defeats like a man and learn from them.
You're acting as if I lose 1 game I throw a tantrum, lmao.

Anyway, this thread isn't about me it's about Classic. This new HD is disgraceful, yesterday whatever the heck that NPC Thor layed (I think it was HD V78888 or w/e) during CTF Future was SO horrific, I don't think anyone enjoyed it let alone even get right hits in. I ended up being the only one who didn't leave my team, twice.

I really don't know how Thor thinks this HD is acceptable, just because he's a sparrer and can somehow predict opposition's movements - doesn't mean we all can. It's disgraceful how I'm now supposed to hit into thin air because i'm fighting someone 0.3 seconds behind in time (on my screen).
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Old 02-18-2009, 04:33 AM
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You talk as if I'm a rebel who's sole purpose of joining events is to destroy them.
I don't join an event that I know I won't enjoy, especially with this new HD.
I am usually a sportsmanship type of person; I give credit where due, and take defeats like a man and learn from them.
You're acting as if I lose 1 game I throw a tantrum, lmao.

Anyway, this thread isn't about me it's about Classic. This new HD is disgraceful, yesterday whatever the heck that NPC Thor layed (I think it was HD V78888 or w/e) during CTF Future was SO horrific, I don't think anyone enjoyed it let alone even get right hits in. I ended up being the only one who didn't leave my team, twice.

I really don't know how Thor thinks this HD is acceptable, just because he's a sparrer and can somehow predict opposition's movements - doesn't mean we all can. It's disgraceful how I'm now supposed to hit into thin air because i'm fighting someone 0.3 seconds behind in time (on my screen).

the hd is v999999 and yet its was so horrible the npc didnt work on anyone . yet the bomb TOO . and at some moment thor npc got deleted and the hitdetection went WORST. i say move the server back to usa so everyone can be happy again.

what i mean by being worst is , i couldnt get hit by sword+npcs. so i left.
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Old 02-18-2009, 03:14 PM
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development just needs to find a system that works and stick with it. if there are some security loopholes or some people who are having issues with the detect or whatever, then so what? can't please everybody all at once. at this point it's all about finding something that is operable and decent. and for god's sake, if it aint broke don't fix it. seriously
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It IS broke if it's not detecting ANY of our hits. How can you call a HD a Hit Detection if it doesn't detect a hit?
I don't want to play events as if i'm sparring, I don't want to PK as if i'm sparring, I don't want to be a defensive **** who's trying to do 4 things at the same time:

"Consider your upload speed"
"Consider your download speed"
"Consider that the opposite person is 0.3 seconds behind on your screen"
"Consider that the movement is too fast and/or the slash delay is too low."

How on earth is this fun?! for ****s sake, someone fix this HD, I want to play normally again where I don't have to think about everything, it's much more fun if you just PLAY instead of THINK before you do every single thing. This is supposed to be a GAME, it's anything but if you're having to constantly spar someone who isn't even there.
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Old 02-18-2009, 04:08 PM
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you want to spar normally? move server back in usa and use the hd they used in 03 . that it
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Old 02-18-2009, 04:28 PM
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Such as my supernicks changing idea. Supernick told me once that he created that place in 2000, and redid it in 2004 where tons of people complained about it. Supernicks being redone as a functioning spar place could be vital towards a close compact city, but would it fly with people? Particularly the oldbies who staff cater the most for. That's why they don't touch that useless place, which many things can be done for.
That's the staff attitude, not a "Classic" perspective.

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Classic does have a dev server, you know. It's where Master Storm usually creates his "systems" but if there was a need to do UC work, that's the place without any player distraction. And that server is Classic enabled. Player distraction isn't even the problem. The problem is if things can be done. Classic's current team is weak, and will power is being lost. There is no surefire Classic would even return if undergone UC. You might say that would be okay as long as Classic doesn't have to be in misery, but there are still some people who enjoy Classic and would miss it. It's also sad to see a server whom people worked so hard making content for just go like that. At the very least, if PWA cared, they would monitor what Storm is doing. Era had a very successful UC state and coming back to Classic Tab with a large amount of players. I do recall however, Graal2001 being off the list when i first came to Graal, seeing it come back and instantly dying again. As for losing will power, it's a general theory of mine. I just think most of the staff like to work on a somewhat frequented server and not UC servers, unless they're severely loyal staff. That's why you see Classic barely getting staff, and UN getting staff, and it would only hurt Classic more if they go UC.
The systems Master Storm are developing are pretty much offering what is already on the server in terms of game mechanics. Master Storm's systems are arguably better in structure, but essentially it offers nothing new. I disagree with the notion that if the server is removed it couldn't promote interest, because when Konidias took over Graal2001 after it flopped again he hyped the server as much as he could, and he built up an interest for it through the content that he showed. The few developers we have left in the community like feeling as though they are working on a promising project and at current Classic isn't very promising. If the content is hyped and the hype matches the quality of the server overall, a revival is very possible and the server could be better than ever. If the server continues as it is, don't you think that it is less likely for a good revival in the future?

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Well that problem has been disestablished now, hasn't it? We have a clientside HD, which only receives damage based on if the player is hit on his/her own screen. People complained about both HD's and apparently adding the default HD in isn't as easy as it sounds.
No, it has caused even more problems.

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I do recall their being a poll for clientside HD and everyone wanted it. It was even tested in several events and locations where people were still okay with it. Blame the players a little? It's what they wanted.
Polling is rarely helpful in the development of a server which has little development to begin with. When I'm on my Wii and glance over at the "Everyone Votes Channel" I can go on it, vote for my opinion and predict what others are going to say. I don't feel as though I am obligated to vote for something in order to get new content, and that is how most people do feel on Classic. The polls that we get on Classic are extremely manipulative, because they play on what the players feel like they need, but don't actually produce what they do need. MoD fort for was ruined because of the opinion polls and no one has used it since. This new poll is asking players to choose which one they want -- why can't they subsequently release all of them over time? It's because if the content turns out awful, the player voted for it and the players are used as scapegoats when essentially all they ever want is something new.

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RC is where most developers actually discuss plans/projects. Anyone with RC could throw in their fair share of criticism. And what i mean by "envy towards the players concerns" is exactly what that sentence means. Xaphan seems to agree with most of the players, and is a Staff member with RC. I know this thread was created on the reaction of players from the Monthly Spar. Yeah players can voice their opinion. PM Master Storm, and tell him. You probably won't see action but that's the best way to voice your opinion for right now. I guess if you can emphasize your idea very brilliantly might he consider it.
Haha how condescending, you're acting as though I'm unaware of what goes on and I'm unaware of how Master Storm acts. What you said is really not true. I guess for the developers you'll have to ask them personally as I'm not going to go naming names, but you're talking in an ideal sense instead of the actual reality. I don't see how posting on a forum is not better than speaking to Master Storm directly to receive nothing from speaking to him. In fact, posting on this forum has made him get off his ass quite a lot of times, where simple discussions with him have not, well, unless you're threatening him.

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Well I don't recall him releasing terrible content. The HD issue is being looked at and being dealt with though. That is the only addition which might of created a negative effect on the server, but I've explained the HD issue in several other points so yeah. Bowling wasn't great, but it's always something to do on the side. The Map addition was good, and clearly has no downside rather than not being a priority right now. Right now, the Staff team is trying their best to suit the player needs. Most of the decisions made were off what the player thought on polls.
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First impressions are everything, and as this current playerbase isn't all too familiar with the old content, most of the re-releases are new releases. Players are not going to feel the same sense of joy, hype, gratitude, fondness (and all those other positive feelings you get when you play on a decent game you've been waiting for) to a "better" re-release of a re-release further down the line, so these initial releases need to be of quality. More importantly we need longevity in content, so a delay in a release is totally worth it as long as the product has a more professional finish to it when it finally does release.
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Old 02-18-2009, 04:32 PM
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Those other 2 times were then for the VIP benefits of weekend Gold and UC playerworld access. You only payed once to experience p2p benefits on Classic.
Again, what benefits? How is requesting the server stops spiralling downwards expecting benefits?


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development just needs to find a system that works and stick with it. if there are some security loopholes or some people who are having issues with the detect or whatever, then so what? can't please everybody all at once. at this point it's all about finding something that is operable and decent. and for god's sake, if it aint broke don't fix it. seriously
Was the previous one broken?
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I am sick of feeling that I have to develop content to enjoy a game that I paid for. Tell me one other game like this, that's right, there isn't one. Graal is a game first, not a development platform. I don't have development skills and I shouldn't need them either to enjoy a game that I paid for. No one should.
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Old 02-19-2009, 12:15 AM
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Was the previous one broken?
there was one version that i really liked but i have no idea what happened to it or when it was changed
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weird how master storm hasnt posted but deleted a post.

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they should have just converted the old levels it would be done by now. good call on that one guys.
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