A Proposition to save Graal Kingdoms

[dNeonb]

Looking at all the recent changes affecting new players a lot of things changed and are more easy for them. In my opinion, they have lots of more things they are able to do and go on GK.

About the diamonds, I say it is a problem but it's community made. If everyone would say diamonds go for 100 plant and veryone would do it we are getting somewhere. The more and more expensive diamonds get the more worse the econnomy is going to be.

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by Sheen_the_mage

LOLWUT?
This is starting to turn into a debate.
Since it is a debate, I think it is safe to say we should all share our opinions.
GK needs a democrisy for the direction the server is heading.
The sole core of Graal and games itself is the players.
Do what pleases the PLAYERS and not just yourself or one person.
Think of doing stuff in favor for many.
A complaint I have is small gimmicks get days worked on but what actually pleases the players themselfs are ignored.
The last updates I saw were the amulets being showable and the halloween items.
Sure, they are good pluses, but why is it that they get higher priority, then lets say, making GK friendlier for newer players?
Most people quit gk as soon as they get on because you cant get any items anymore.
It turned into another retarded Maloria.
If you arent an oldbie, you will suck even if you are the most skilled person on the server.
Newer players have no chance.
Everyone is walking around with RoW's,Green Cloaks,Ice Shields,Speed Amulets,Miscltoe amulets, and cowboy hats.
New players can get what?
Nothing.Just **** that will slow them down and barely offer any protection.
They also have nothing to do because they cannot fight off the simplest enemeys or they cannot afford anything.
Rich players take advantage of the fact that they arent obtainable anymore and sell them for "100 diamonds"
100 diamonds...for one item which isnt even ubar powerfull...
WTF!?!?

Wow you are retarded, ok lets start.

Everyone would like a democrisy on all online games, however that would only lead to total disaster...

Just because a game is dependant on players, does not mean it should bend over backwards for each individual, you seriously don't know what needs to be done.

If all requests were answered, i assure you, Graal wouldn't be here.
No one is saying they are of higher priority, the issue of attracting new players is a delicate one, and cannot be tackled as swiftly as creating holiday items.

People who quit because they cannot get items immediately shouldn't be playing imo. I started with nothing, and i'm not an oldbie, haven't played for longer than 3+/- years, but i have fairly decent items, without any dodgey business.

Lets not bring the great Maloria into this, it had it's own problems, which are actually being rectified now.

You'll suck because you haven't learned 2play...

I can assure you everyone is NOT walking around with RoW's. The other items maybie, because they were massed released or are craftable (have been for a long time), so you shouldn't be putting RoW in the same category as those common items...

GK is trying to become more newb friendly, but it is not completely impossible for a newb to become slightly better off, they simply need a little bit of inicietive and will power to get themselves out of poverty. Hell, or you need to do is ask a nice person in HH to give you a flamesword, get some weak armor, kill bomy's, get piety, pray to gov, bless ur wep, kill rexe's - sorted.

"Rich players take advantage of the fact that they arent obtainable anymore and sell them for "100 diamonds"
100 diamonds...for one item which isnt even ubar powerfull..." The cherry on the top, wow. Ok firstly, no one 'takes advantage', values are decided by numerous factors, usually supply n demand, crafting cost (if it can be crafted), value of crafting input items (if it can be crafted), rarity, collectable value and usefulness of item. Lets use RoS for example, it's worth 100diamonds - not overpriced. RoS is spawned quite rarely in shops for a reasonable amount of platinum coins. It's very useful to an aspiring young warrior or someone who just wants reasonably balanced stats. It's not incredibly rare and considered quite common. I think it's safe to say that supply meets demand quite well, one hoping to buy a RoS can hope to find one within minutes - a week (at max). It's not collectable or craftable. After considering these factors and also taking individual player limits/budgets into consideration, the price of 100dias seems very reasonable and i think i've only heard several people complain about 100diamond items. Btw, if you're talking about +12 armor items, it's because the enchanting costs are 60diamonds atleast, so the end value depends on the original item value/usefulness.

Originally Posted by dNeonb

Looking at all the recent changes affecting new players a lot of things changed and are more easy for them. In my opinion, they have lots of more things they are able to do and go on GK.

About the diamonds, I say it is a problem but it's community made. If everyone would say diamonds go for 100 plant and veryone would do it we are getting somewhere. The more and more expensive diamonds get the more worse the econnomy is going to be.

Diamonds are not the problem, it's platinum coins that are. Look at plat values of certain rares in stores, it's ludicrous actually. The weight of 20-200k plat is significantly higher than it's diamond equivilent ( 40 - 400 diamonds ) so diamonds are favoured by new players and old.

If there was a better coin system, and perhaps more valuable coins as suggested many times, we would see the economy look a little more stable.

[Sheen_the_mage]

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

Wow you are retarded, ok lets start.

Everyone would like a democrisy on all online games, however that would only lead to total disaster...

Just because a game is dependant on players, does not mean it should bend over backwards for each individual, you seriously don't know what needs to be done.

If all requests were answered, i assure you, Graal wouldn't be here.
No one is saying they are of higher priority, the issue of attracting new players is a delicate one, and cannot be tackled as swiftly as creating holiday items.

People who quit because they cannot get items immediately shouldn't be playing imo. I started with nothing, and i'm not an oldbie, haven't played for longer than 3+/- years, but i have fairly decent items, without any dodgey business.

Lets not bring the great Maloria into this, it had it's own problems, which are actually being rectified now.

You'll suck because you haven't learned 2play...

I can assure you everyone is NOT walking around with RoW's. The other items maybie, because they were massed released or are craftable (have been for a long time), so you shouldn't be putting RoW in the same category as those common items...

GK is trying to become more newb friendly, but it is not completely impossible for a newb to become slightly better off, they simply need a little bit of inicietive and will power to get themselves out of poverty. Hell, or you need to do is ask a nice person in HH to give you a flamesword, get some weak armor, kill bomy's, get piety, pray to gov, bless ur wep, kill rexe's - sorted.

"Rich players take advantage of the fact that they arent obtainable anymore and sell them for "100 diamonds"
100 diamonds...for one item which isnt even ubar powerfull..." The cherry on the top, wow. Ok firstly, no one 'takes advantage', values are decided by numerous factors, usually supply n demand, crafting cost (if it can be crafted), value of crafting input items (if it can be crafted), rarity, collectable value and usefulness of item. Lets use RoS for example, it's worth 100diamonds - not overpriced. RoS is spawned quite rarely in shops for a reasonable amount of platinum coins. It's very useful to an aspiring young warrior or someone who just wants reasonably balanced stats. It's not incredibly rare and considered quite common. I think it's safe to say that supply meets demand quite well, one hoping to buy a RoS can hope to find one within minutes - a week (at max). It's not collectable or craftable. After considering these factors and also taking individual player limits/budgets into consideration, the price of 100dias seems very reasonable and i think i've only heard several people complain about 100diamond items. Btw, if you're talking about +12 armor items, it's because the enchanting costs are 60diamonds atleast, so the end value depends on the original item value/usefulness.



Diamonds are not the problem, it's platinum coins that are. Look at plat values of certain rares in stores, it's ludicrous actually. The weight of 20-200k plat is significantly higher than it's diamond equivilent ( 40 - 400 diamonds ) so diamonds are favoured by new players and old.

If there was a better coin system, and perhaps more valuable coins as suggested many times, we would see the economy look a little more stable.

People dont quit because they cannot get an item immediatly.They quit because they are limited to evil bomy helmet(Which isnt that bad in some cases),gold plate armor(this armor slows you down like HELL),Flaming sword(Which is not favored by many), and spiked shield.

And about RoW, if you think I am talking about EVERY player then you yourself are not making sense.I am not complaining about RoW because I dont have one.Infact, I have good items believe it or not.However, such items would not be obtainable if I started only recently.The problem is that stuff is impossible to get.
The 100 Dia's part I mentioned, you took way too litteral.
And I am not complaining about +12 armor or RoS being 100 dias.
However, I am complaining that certain weapons are 100 dias.
Such examples are Inferno Dagger and (In the past and soon futur) Ice Dagger.
It is true those items are good for killing people who have +12 armor since they can strike through defences, but they are not so good that you need to save up for such a long period of time
Such items should be obtainable by any player if they work for it rather then being older.I am not saying to just hand them out, but make them actually obtainable by making them a rare drop or making them craftable with the materials are hard to get.

[FenixTheBanished]

Please, I am all for debating and arguing, but lets please keep it on subject.


We need a new admin who cares about our server and hell, the servers already on it death bed, Give Tig a chance to improve it! If you dont like his work or his attitude then just fire him if you don't like it! But give him and us a chance to make our server worth the 24$ a year!

[Sheen_the_mage]

Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished

Please, I am all for debating and arguing, but lets please keep it on subject.


We need a new admin who cares about our server and hell, the servers already on it death bed, Give Tig a chance to improve it! If you dont like his work or his attitude then just fire him if you don't like it! But give him and us a chance to make our server worth the 24$ a year!

Durrr 49$ you mean?
Most people take the triple pack =P
I have a feeling though that you guys as the staff will be payed if the fantasy comes true.
The fantasy were we get advirtising,playercount skyrockets,Graal owns runescape.

edit:
I would like to apologize if I was being too harsh in my recent posts

[CABAL49]

Wow this took off fast. I have plenty of things I could say about Bjorn but the truth is he is not that bad of a guy. I personally think Tig could help but Stefan needs to give more power to Bjorn or Tig if he becomse an admin. I have noticed more things being fixed which is a great help to the community. I have no problem with Tig but untill more people who know how to script and know how to create content for the game Tig can't really do that much. It can not be expected of Bjorn to do everything, I have said for years that Kingdoms needs to hire some developers and teach new people to develop. Neither Tig, Bjorn or Stefan we be completly responsible for the revival of Kingdoms. There simply are not enough people. Tig does great work, I wish I had his skill. I have been learning to develop myself but it is very hard to do while trying to balance with my classes( whith I feel bad about cause I wanted to design some monsters for Raven). Bjorn is given mostly items, which will not save the server. Kingdoms needs new people. Seriously someone pay for a google add. There is enough content to keep new players occupied for a few years. Some things need to be done to make Kingdoms more noob freindly, but untill more people come along, who have time to spend developing Kingdoms not much can be done at this point.

[FenixTheBanished]

Originally Posted by CABAL49

Wow this took off fast. I have plenty of things I could say about Bjorn but the truth is he is not that bad of a guy. I personally think Tig could help but Stefan needs to give more power to Bjorn or Tig if he becomse an admin. I have noticed more things being fixed which is a great help to the community. I have no problem with Tig but untill more people who know how to script and know how to create content for the game Tig can't really do that much. It can not be expected of Bjorn to do everything, I have said for years that Kingdoms needs to hire some developers and teach new people to develop. Neither Tig, Bjorn or Stefan we be completly responsible for the revival of Kingdoms. There simply are not enough people. Tig does great work, I wish I had his skill. I have been learning to develop myself but it is very hard to do while trying to balance with my classes( whith I feel bad about cause I wanted to design some monsters for Raven). Bjorn is given mostly items, which will not save the server. Kingdoms needs new people. Seriously someone pay for a google add. There is enough content to keep new players occupied for a few years. Some things need to be done to make Kingdoms more noob freindly, but untill more people come along, who have time to spend developing Kingdoms not much can be done at this point.

Yes this is all true, but the fact of the matter is that Tig will still be able to help and a GREAT addition to the amin team because he will help create content, items, new towns, new monsters. The main point of this WHOLE forum is GK needs help. Tig is more than capable to be able to help revive Graal and its a start in the right direction. CLEARLY he will not act on his own and do stuff without approval and everything, so that isn't a problem. We need to get this server to be attractive again.

[Ravenblade1979]

Give Tig a shot...whats to lose. GK hit rock bottom but that rock is nearly cracked.

[BigBear3]

Everyone needs to shut the hell up. Yelling at Bjorn is doing nothing. (Bjorn works.) Sheen_the_mage, Gain some intelligence before posting again. Googi, Tig won't save this server? What exactly is save? Bring players back? Do you really think players want to join the Graal Kingdoms community as it is now? Maybe Tig has plans. There is no HARM AT ALL in giving Tig a chance to try and add content to Graal Kingdoms. I really don't see why not. He's just going to try and make Graal Kingdoms a more enjoyable experience for you and everybody else.

[FenixTheBanished]

Googi, Tig won't save this server? What exactly is save? Bring players back? Do you really think players want to join the Graal Kingdoms community as it is now? Maybe Tig has plans. There is no HARM AT ALL in giving Tig a chance to try and add content to Graal Kingdoms. I really don't see why not. He's just going to try and make Graal Kingdoms a more enjoyable experience for you and everybody else.

Give Tig a shot...whats to lose. GK hit rock bottom but that rock is nearly cracked.

There is the opinion of the server in a nutshell. Please do it.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by BigBear3

There is no HARM AT ALL in giving Tig a chance to try and add content to Graal Kingdoms.

But he can already try and add content to Graal Kingdoms. He just has to go through Stefan first. I don't see why this is a problem. I'd rather have Stefan going over anything than having people adding whatever they want. What I'd really like is for all updates to be subject to discussion on the forums before they're added.

[FenixTheBanished]

Originally Posted by Googi

But he can already try and add content to Graal Kingdoms. He just has to go through Stefan first. I don't see why this is a problem. I'd rather have Stefan going over anything than having people adding whatever they want. What I'd really like is for all updates to be subject to discussion on the forums before they're added.

Yeah, okay so you FIRST say that people have crappy ideas and graal would be destroyed if Bjorn and staff did whatever players wanted, but now you're sitting here saying you want things discussed?

And the whole he can already do it is, yes anyone can, but they wont be listened to. Plain and simple, its happened not only to me but others as well. So please realize that there is a problem and Tig isn't going to ADD to it he will HELP the problem go away. And if he only helps it a tiny bit then why does it matter? Because clearly sitting here and doing nothing hasn't worked for the last 4 years. So clearly doing SOMETHING is better than NOTHING because its already been shown that it IS NOT helping.

Please Googi let go of the whole "theres nothing that'll save the server in one go." We agree, but CLEARLY leaving it up to Bjorn and the other Admins is only making the problem worse, its NOT making it better. There needs to be something done and this is a step in the right direction.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished

Yeah, okay so you FIRST say that people have crappy ideas and graal would be destroyed if Bjorn and staff did whatever players wanted, but now you're sitting here saying you want things discussed?

Graalians aren't so great at coming up with effective ideas, but they're not bad when it comes to making valid criticisms.

Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished

And the whole he can already do it is, yes anyone can, but they wont be listened to. Plain and simple, its happened not only to me but others as well.

1. Examples? So far the reason for the examples given (aside from a few items and possibly the Dustari castle) isn't because Bjorn or Stefan is blocking the uploading of them, but because they're incomplete.

2. Even if Tig were an admin everything would still have to be approved by Stefan.

Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished

So please realize that there is a problem and Tig isn't going to ADD to it he will HELP the problem go away. And if he only helps it a tiny bit then why does it matter? Because clearly sitting here and doing nothing hasn't worked for the last 4 years. So clearly doing SOMETHING is better than NOTHING because its already been shown that it IS NOT helping.

1. It is possible for updates to damage the server further if they're the wrong updates.

2. Allowing a person to be admin because you don't think they're going to do something to hurt the server in the immediate future sets a precedent under which a whole lot of people could become admins.

Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished

Please Googi let go of the whole "theres nothing that'll save the server in one go."

I've never said this because I don't think it's true. I just don't think anything anybody has suggested yet is capable of doing this. In fact, I think that saving the server in "one go" is the only way to save it (in terms of using content to save it). The best chance the server has is to come up with something fairly substantial that's attractive to players of other servers, promote it like there's no tomorrow, and hope that the players who show up stick around. Incremental updates don't pull players away from other servers.

[Tigairius]

I think the biggest problem the GK administration has with my presence is my history. People forget to remember that the definition of history is the aggregate of past events. It's the past. There is nothing I can do to change the way I have acted in the past to get myself banned, etc. I'd like to bring an example to hand though: Hell Raven (sorry buddy <3). Hell Raven had been known for years as a notorious hacker, who spent a lot of time messing up things like Doomsday, by jailing everyone on the server, and on many other servers as well. He was banned for hacking too. He assisted in re-making a Graal1.39 server by coding, and was highly involved in some of those activities. He changed, he changed his mind, and his attitude and now he is a global staff member.
As I have stated several times I am sorry for the past, but bringing it up doesn't change the future of GK, does it? I am sided with the people who want me to be an administrator, but I am not rooting for any side. Either way, I consider this community my family and I consider this server my home, and I don't want to see it fall down like this without one last attempt by my hand.

Edit:
And I will be doing work on debug, anyways, I guess some people feel that with administration title it enables more control over the projects and these people trust my control.

[alarid0]

*just have to say first off that I didn't read any of the first three pages of this thread...i dont have the time to read it right now...*

"Proposition to save Graal Kingdoms" ...
really I have to laugh every time I catch wind of any thought of reviving or saving GK... its so doomed... so terribly doomed...