A Proposition to save Graal Kingdoms

[CABAL49]

Wow this took off fast. I have plenty of things I could say about Bjorn but the truth is he is not that bad of a guy. I personally think Tig could help but Stefan needs to give more power to Bjorn or Tig if he becomse an admin. I have noticed more things being fixed which is a great help to the community. I have no problem with Tig but untill more people who know how to script and know how to create content for the game Tig can't really do that much. It can not be expected of Bjorn to do everything, I have said for years that Kingdoms needs to hire some developers and teach new people to develop. Neither Tig, Bjorn or Stefan we be completly responsible for the revival of Kingdoms. There simply are not enough people. Tig does great work, I wish I had his skill. I have been learning to develop myself but it is very hard to do while trying to balance with my classes( whith I feel bad about cause I wanted to design some monsters for Raven). Bjorn is given mostly items, which will not save the server. Kingdoms needs new people. Seriously someone pay for a google add. There is enough content to keep new players occupied for a few years. Some things need to be done to make Kingdoms more noob freindly, but untill more people come along, who have time to spend developing Kingdoms not much can be done at this point.

[FenixTheBanished]

Originally Posted by CABAL49

Wow this took off fast. I have plenty of things I could say about Bjorn but the truth is he is not that bad of a guy. I personally think Tig could help but Stefan needs to give more power to Bjorn or Tig if he becomse an admin. I have noticed more things being fixed which is a great help to the community. I have no problem with Tig but untill more people who know how to script and know how to create content for the game Tig can't really do that much. It can not be expected of Bjorn to do everything, I have said for years that Kingdoms needs to hire some developers and teach new people to develop. Neither Tig, Bjorn or Stefan we be completly responsible for the revival of Kingdoms. There simply are not enough people. Tig does great work, I wish I had his skill. I have been learning to develop myself but it is very hard to do while trying to balance with my classes( whith I feel bad about cause I wanted to design some monsters for Raven). Bjorn is given mostly items, which will not save the server. Kingdoms needs new people. Seriously someone pay for a google add. There is enough content to keep new players occupied for a few years. Some things need to be done to make Kingdoms more noob freindly, but untill more people come along, who have time to spend developing Kingdoms not much can be done at this point.

Yes this is all true, but the fact of the matter is that Tig will still be able to help and a GREAT addition to the amin team because he will help create content, items, new towns, new monsters. The main point of this WHOLE forum is GK needs help. Tig is more than capable to be able to help revive Graal and its a start in the right direction. CLEARLY he will not act on his own and do stuff without approval and everything, so that isn't a problem. We need to get this server to be attractive again.

[BigBear3]

Everyone needs to shut the hell up. Yelling at Bjorn is doing nothing. (Bjorn works.) Sheen_the_mage, Gain some intelligence before posting again. Googi, Tig won't save this server? What exactly is save? Bring players back? Do you really think players want to join the Graal Kingdoms community as it is now? Maybe Tig has plans. There is no HARM AT ALL in giving Tig a chance to try and add content to Graal Kingdoms. I really don't see why not. He's just going to try and make Graal Kingdoms a more enjoyable experience for you and everybody else.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by BigBear3

There is no HARM AT ALL in giving Tig a chance to try and add content to Graal Kingdoms.

But he can already try and add content to Graal Kingdoms. He just has to go through Stefan first. I don't see why this is a problem. I'd rather have Stefan going over anything than having people adding whatever they want. What I'd really like is for all updates to be subject to discussion on the forums before they're added.

[FenixTheBanished]

Originally Posted by Googi

But he can already try and add content to Graal Kingdoms. He just has to go through Stefan first. I don't see why this is a problem. I'd rather have Stefan going over anything than having people adding whatever they want. What I'd really like is for all updates to be subject to discussion on the forums before they're added.

Yeah, okay so you FIRST say that people have crappy ideas and graal would be destroyed if Bjorn and staff did whatever players wanted, but now you're sitting here saying you want things discussed?

And the whole he can already do it is, yes anyone can, but they wont be listened to. Plain and simple, its happened not only to me but others as well. So please realize that there is a problem and Tig isn't going to ADD to it he will HELP the problem go away. And if he only helps it a tiny bit then why does it matter? Because clearly sitting here and doing nothing hasn't worked for the last 4 years. So clearly doing SOMETHING is better than NOTHING because its already been shown that it IS NOT helping.

Please Googi let go of the whole "theres nothing that'll save the server in one go." We agree, but CLEARLY leaving it up to Bjorn and the other Admins is only making the problem worse, its NOT making it better. There needs to be something done and this is a step in the right direction.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished

Yeah, okay so you FIRST say that people have crappy ideas and graal would be destroyed if Bjorn and staff did whatever players wanted, but now you're sitting here saying you want things discussed?

Graalians aren't so great at coming up with effective ideas, but they're not bad when it comes to making valid criticisms.

Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished

And the whole he can already do it is, yes anyone can, but they wont be listened to. Plain and simple, its happened not only to me but others as well.

1. Examples? So far the reason for the examples given (aside from a few items and possibly the Dustari castle) isn't because Bjorn or Stefan is blocking the uploading of them, but because they're incomplete.

2. Even if Tig were an admin everything would still have to be approved by Stefan.

Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished

So please realize that there is a problem and Tig isn't going to ADD to it he will HELP the problem go away. And if he only helps it a tiny bit then why does it matter? Because clearly sitting here and doing nothing hasn't worked for the last 4 years. So clearly doing SOMETHING is better than NOTHING because its already been shown that it IS NOT helping.

1. It is possible for updates to damage the server further if they're the wrong updates.

2. Allowing a person to be admin because you don't think they're going to do something to hurt the server in the immediate future sets a precedent under which a whole lot of people could become admins.

Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished

Please Googi let go of the whole "theres nothing that'll save the server in one go."

I've never said this because I don't think it's true. I just don't think anything anybody has suggested yet is capable of doing this. In fact, I think that saving the server in "one go" is the only way to save it (in terms of using content to save it). The best chance the server has is to come up with something fairly substantial that's attractive to players of other servers, promote it like there's no tomorrow, and hope that the players who show up stick around. Incremental updates don't pull players away from other servers.