Miscellaneous Kingdom Discussion

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by Evil_Lord_Sparda

I can't speak for the later battles, because as a European they took place too late for myself, but earlier on myself and a few other Dustarians came to the aid of some Zormite's who were being besieged by some Astri led by Excalibur.

Then, when news reached Dustarians that you were indeed planning an attack on Zormite, those Online decided to mount a Pre-emptive strike against you. However, you wouldn't accept this and Larrien wouldn't let it go ahead anyway.

Obviously these were but small skirmishes, but it does show that Dustarians were willing to help the Zormites.

I tried to get the battles around 12pm EST So that everyone could enjoy them.

At the time Aftershock was King, at the time there was a Duke by the name of Bitty. He personally held back the Dustarian troops from assisting the Zormites.

Astri invaded Dustari around the time that Aftershock stepped down and Larrien came to power. I had known Larrien for some while as the Royal Scribe Larrien Harris, he never had a lot of leadership experience. We took advantage of that and it proved to have worked (man I would rule as a General). Then it's a little known fact, but Dustari was a major ally of Astri. Dustari actually sent troops to Astri's aid.

The only battles that counted were the single sweeping battles. When entire armies were destroyed.

[Nappa]

Wow.. Great defence against my statements.. "I don't care what nappa says". Yipee!

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by GoZelda

Let's see. Closing a thread with no reason, continuing arguing after you've already closed a thread so you get the last word because else you can't win.

Send me a forum PM with some of these links that I have done this, if you can find any.

Originally Posted by GoZelda

And why would this be? Not because they would be bad members. No, it's more like, 1 or 2 people up there who can't stand them being right and better than them.

One or two people? You would be hard pressed to find anyone in Zormite that would like nappa to join that kingdom, and same with Dustari and Zurkiba.

Originally Posted by GoZelda

I accept Zormite is no fish kingdom. Then what is it? It has nothing to make it different from Dustari, except that it's called a Republic.

By that definition there is nothing different between Dustari and Forest either, except its called a kingdom of elves and has different rank titles. Its all in how you RP so buck up and try it.

Originally Posted by GoZelda

Perhaps you should try to accept that.

I have long since accepted people won't implement zurk's bad ideas.

Originally Posted by GoZelda

He never said he didn't like Zormite and Dustari. On 2k1.

2k1 is dead. When people say 'Dustari' or 'Zormite' they are not talking about 2k1, obviously.

Originally Posted by GoZelda

What if the band goes downhill instead?

What if its more successful than ever but has slightly evolved its style of music?

Originally Posted by GoZelda

Except that 'people' don't have a character most of the time. Please, get Zoe to send me her RP profile. Oh wait. There is no such thing, and the 'RP profile' in her head is probably something like 'Female, Queen of Dustar1'

Zoe does have an RP character and profile, as do myself and most of the higher ranking Dustarians. I have helped many newer members make them as well, and always discuss their characters with them, to ensure they know proper RPing.

Originally Posted by GoZelda

How would you settle a civilization?

Duh, how do Zormites come to 2k2? They do 'that' first - that is all that is referring to. Don't be such a nit picker.

Originally Posted by GoZelda

So, how come most of the Zormite culture (which is a part of civilization, whether you like it or not) hasn't been affected by this? The humans had no culture? But how come Zormite's culture, which is nihil anyway, looks nothing like Zormite on 2k1's culture? It should be the same.

It has developed over time, not to mention if the percentages of old zormites and humans shift a lot towards the humans, then obviously there will be change. As for human culture, of course they made their own contributions but they were entering a larger cultural body. You obviously don't care as you say Zormite culture is nil now anyway, so you aren't even open to the facts.

Originally Posted by GoZelda

Could you send those documents to me?

Check the stickies in the zormite forum, and search backwards for older posts in there.

Originally Posted by GoZelda

The fact that you don't understand them doesn't mean they're nonsensical.

The fact that they are nonsensical doesn't mean they are beyond my understanding.

Usually he posts disjointed tyrades depending on what he's upset about at any given moment, but its just rehashing long since closed arguments. I listened the first time, the second time, even the third or so I still listened and tried to reason with him, but he often posts completely irrelevant crude insults that have nothing to do with anything other than an attempt to tick off those he doesn't like. When he does say something specific its usually a repeat of the same dead arguments of a very long time ago.

Originally Posted by GoZelda

What 'entire character'? They usually don't have a character.

We do in Dustari. Its called Roleplaying.

Originally Posted by GoZelda

He still has a say in Zormite, but not in Dustari Jr.

He can offer input and suggestions, but he does not have any dictatoral veto power to tell them all what to do and force them to do everything his way. If someone goes to a town hall meeting, makes a suggestion, gets overruled, if they insist on disrupting all further proceedings because they didn't get their way, they get arrested.

Originally Posted by GoZelda

If you want me to adress something, print it.

You? that entire post was talking to Zurkiba. He is rehashing long dead arguments that have been settled, so he could benefit from reading up on them.

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

Apparently people do drop their "characters" (if you want to call random PKing and running around screaming 'ne1 gotz 1?' a character) to join a Kingdom. Eventually if they want they will join an established family.

Its called going off tag, and being out of character, something you did yourself. You are trolling if you want to pretend you are not familiar with it.

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

So just how did the Sagesun family grow? You want to know how the Warhare Family grew? The wife became pregant, her bomy took her to places.

Marriage, adoption, children, new characters. In fact, Ana started out playing a rather young child RP wise for a good while.

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

How does a person join Forest? They're not human, they're elf!

Tell someone "Hey, you can start a new character as a cool elf" and they'll be interested. Tell someone "Hey, join zormite and have people like zurk make fish jokes constantly at your expense, reek of the smell of fish constantly, and be forced to wear the ugliest fish head you can imagine" and people will, I would say, pass. In other words: It could kill zormite.

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

How did Zurkiba become a member of Dustari? His parents were soldiers in the Dustarian army, both died in the Dustari-Zormite war, Axel goes running off in fear and confusion about his parents. Zurkiba searches for him (and various trainings in the sciences and spending time with a retired Warrior) to later return as an adult with Axel.

Good for you. I became a member after I enlisted as a soldier, having little success as a blacksmith and merchant guardsmen on main. Ana was born there, Zoe and her sister were immigrants. Out of curiousity who asked how Zurkiba became a member of Dustari?

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

If I were to join Zormite and they were fishes, this is what my story would be:
I came over from the Castle on the old lands.

Amazing, see how complex and difficult that was?

Except that Zormite isn't a race of fish people anymore. It is simply very unappealing to be a smelly ugly fish who's sole purpose appears to be a butt for your every fish fry joke.

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

I asked for a logical answer...

twas why I gave one.

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

Why wouldn't it be the 2k1 culture?.. and more importantly, why would they be assimiliated into the Zormite culture? We're not talking hundreds and hundreds of years here. It would be similiar to the Jewish community being assimiliated by American culture, it just doesn't work.

Depends on the percentages of course, it is a logical transition. You could of course be constructive, and if you don't like it, try to find a better means by which 2k2 zormite is a human kingdom, with its current culture. Then you can propose that to zormite, and if they happen to like it, perhaps they'd adopt it.

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

Yet again, this wasn't hundreds of years.

We have all of the survivors of the metorite crash on the old lands settling in the new lands. This rules out billions of years of evolution and what not. The Zormites were declared a human state within the second week or so of Graal Kingdoms.

Time in RPGs is of course, rather hard to play out. You can say that the Astri existed for far less than a year, that all of the history between 2k1 and now is no longer than 4 years total. That would of course, mess up the age of anyone who has played a character that has aged...more than 4 years since 2k1. Darwinian evolution never factored, of course...where did you get that idea?

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

You do not know the story of 2k1 then. Just because a book is never read does not mean there is no story. In a roleplaying sense, 2k1 is very much alive. The nations are rebuilding after being scattered. The only nation that does -not- have to rebuild are the Zormites. The Zormites were the only kingdom which stayed, which left few reminants of the other kingdoms to merge and rebuild. Nation of Bellasera, Dustari and Pirates worked together. Malenth, Dustari and Samurai worked together (Dustari being dominate).

The Zormites only suffered a small food issue in their shelters at home and the two Emperors died. The Council of Elders would've selected a new Emperor and the Zormites would've grown stronger then ever without human competition.

So since you get to make up oddball roleplaying excuses
*launches the magical nuclear missile at Zormite and all the humans die expect the Zormite fishes*
Yey for me! The Fish reign supreme now!

2k1 is dead, it has no players. It is history. And a disease or plague that effects the original zormites (they would have a different physiology than humans of course) is hardly odd ball.
Whether you like it or not, Zormite is not a race of fish people on GK. It never will be unless people IN Zormite choose to change their minds.

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

If you would recall history, you would discover that my diplomatic skills broke up the Dustari-Zormite alliance. Why is it that when we invaded the Zormite island no Dustarians showed up? Why is it that when we invaded the Dustari island no Zormites showed up?

I was able to break each kingdom apart, and leave it the only grape on the vine. Then I plucked that grape. That was the genius of Astri.

LOL that was not diplomacy, that was the fact you had defeated us in battle and we could not overtly support Zormite, under orders from Larrien, out of fear of retribution. Larrien was clear if we wanted to support Zormites, we could not do so in a fashion that would come to your attention.

Btw, replace grape with apple, vine with branch, Zormite with the USA, and you have the 'genius' of the famous Soviet propaganda flyers.

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

Dustari and Zormite allied themselves dude to prior diplomacy. You dont understand that the Zormite Empire was a vassal under Dustari for like a year. Zyko revolted but he later died.

You were the one that said they were constantly at war and had no reason for being allied.

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

Then you are blind.

So far nappa has said things like "No, Zormite and Dustari are basically the same" without actually giving any reasons for it, and still hasn't tried to. If he can't explain the basis of his statement, based on logic that wouldn't pass the exact same way by replacing variables (ie, the logic would have to work for Zormite and Dustari, but not for Dustari and Forest or Dustari and Samurai, etc) then its just his opinion without any backup. His other statements are pretty much the exact same statements he has said before in previous threads that were debated ad nausem, till they were dead. That leaves the other things he often says, which amount to insults, comments about zormite having its nose stuck up dustari's ass and things to that effect, which are plain old troll-bait and pointless crude insults.

I welcome any of nappa's comments that contribute, they are just far and few between.

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

With your own logic you believe that Ghost Pirate shouldn't have any say in the Cresent Pirates, yes? You can not sit there and tell me if Ghost Pirate were to return that he would have -no- say in what happens in the Pirate Kingdom. That man created the kingdom, and that man stayed with the kingdom for years.

The issue was not settled, that is why there are still "Zormites" running around as Dustarian Jrs.

Ghost Pirate can have a say, but if CP doesn't want to do things his way, sorry, but GP hasn't been playing or even a member of CP in ages. If CP welcomed him back, that is fine. Take a lesson from reality: You start a corporation, it does great, you bring it to new grand heights, you resign, you move on to other things. If years later you want to be involved again in the direction of the company, you need the approval of its board of directors, and possibly a shareholder's vote.

That's life, thats fair, and without some prior contract, its the only way things can work.

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by Nappa

Wow.. Great defence against my statements.. "I don't care what nappa says". Yipee!

I never said I don't care what you say, I said you are often saying things that are irrelevant or nonsensical, such as crude insults and declarations of your views as if they were a mandate in themselves.

I don't care about who says what, just what is said, its the only way to have a fair and open debate or evolution of a topic.

That said though, the fish argument is really dead. I don't say that as my opinion, but based on the fact that A) Zormite doesn't want it B) Zormite has control of its own RP destiny. C) Former members, no matter how involved with the early development, can't dictate down the road how things are to be run - they can only make suggestions, and should, if their suggestions are not approved, be civil about it.

[GoZelda]

Originally Posted by busyrobot

Send me a forum PM with some of these links that I have done this, if you can find any.

I see 5 moderators at the Dustari forums. You are one of them, but no one ever said you were corrupt.

Originally Posted by busyrobot

Its all in how you RP so buck up and try it.

That's the difference - in Forest they do RP. Perhaps some people in Dustari RP, but unfortunatly not the majority.

Originally Posted by busyrobot

What if its more successful than ever but has slightly evolved its style of music?

What if most of the old fans left it and all those still following it are stupid EMO punk types who have no individuality?

Originally Posted by busyrobot

I have long since accepted people won't implement zurk's bad ideas.

They're not Zurk's, they're Tyhms or Stefans, possibly Unixmad - it is damned clear the Zormites evolved from Classic's Zorbis.

Originally Posted by busyrobot

Check the stickies in the zormite forum, and search backwards for older posts in there.

I can't adress things that aren't printed in the same thread. By doing that, I still am more open to other things then you, because you can't even bring it up to scroll down or up a little.

Originally Posted by busyrobot

2k1 is dead. When people say 'Dustari' or 'Zormite' they are not talking about 2k1, obviously.

Or perhaps the fact that this is a subforum of the 2k2 section of Graal Communication center matters? You could have thought of that

Originally Posted by busyrobot

The fact that they are nonsensical doesn't mean they are beyond my understanding.

The fact that you interprete them as nonsensical while others don't sure does.

Originally Posted by busyrobot

We do in Dustari. Its called Roleplaying.

Then I'd love to see them

Originally Posted by busyrobot

He can offer input and suggestions, but he does not have any dictatoral veto power to tell them all what to do and force them to do everything his way.

But he doesn't. You seem pretty contradicting to me - first you say GK doesn't RP in general, then you say you made almost all of Dustari RP. You seemed to have shut yourself off of reality whenever someone says that your kingdom doesn't RP, telling us to make suggestions for it to become better but in the meanwhile accusing us of dictatorial veto when most of us agree upon something and suggest it should be done.

Originally Posted by busyrobot

If someone goes to a town hall meeting, makes a suggestion, gets overruled, if they insist on disrupting all further proceedings because they didn't get their way, they get arrested.

That's swell. We're not in a town hall though. Besides, decromacy doesn't work in such a small circle.

Originally Posted by busyrobot

You?

So? I take the same point of view, I like it.

[Nappa]

Originally Posted by busyrobot

I never said I don't care what you say, I said you are often saying things that are irrelevant or nonsensical, such as crude insults and declarations of your views as if they were a mandate in themselves.

I don't care about who says what, just what is said, its the only way to have a fair and open debate or evolution of a topic.

That said though, the fish argument is really dead. I don't say that as my opinion, but based on the fact that A) Zormite doesn't want it B) Zormite has control of its own RP destiny. C) Former members, no matter how involved with the early development, can't dictate down the road how things are to be run - they can only make suggestions, and should, if their suggestions are not approved, be civil about it.

Funny that you'll argue to others about it ? The fact is, I don't care if the Zormite kingdom stays on 2k2. Just change the name from Zormite to something else. This is no longer zormite, Zormite ended after 2k1. Change the name to "HighPowerLevelPlayersRuleMe Republic" for all I care. But this isn't Zormite. And to think that it is is a damn fallacy. Change to fish, or change your name. Simple as that.

Oh and don't try to tell me that Zormite and humans integrated, because Me and Lance were the last emperors before Zormite was moved. And I made sure as hell all my members hated humans. We would NEVER allow a human to join us. I got so many pms asking if people could join as humans, but I never allowed one, just as noone before me did. To think that 5 minutes later after 2k1 zormite story ended somehow the entire world of Zormite changed is stupid. Zormite was the greatest empire to the end. This little republic is not Zormite.

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by GoZelda

I see 5 moderators at the Dustari forums. You are one of them, but no one ever said you were corrupt.

That's the difference - in Forest they do RP. Perhaps some people in Dustari RP, but unfortunatly not the majority.


What if most of the old fans left it and all those still following it are stupid EMO punk types who have no individuality?


They're not Zurk's, they're Tyhms or Stefans, possibly Unixmad - it is damned clear the Zormites evolved from Classic's Zorbis.


I can't adress things that aren't printed in the same thread. By doing that, I still am more open to other things then you, because you can't even bring it up to scroll down or up a little.


Or perhaps the fact that this is a subforum of the 2k2 section of Graal Communication center matters? You could have thought of that


The fact that you interprete them as nonsensical while others don't sure does.


Then I'd love to see them


But he doesn't. You seem pretty contradicting to me - first you say GK doesn't RP in general, then you say you made almost all of Dustari RP. You seemed to have shut yourself off of reality whenever someone says that your kingdom doesn't RP, telling us to make suggestions for it to become better but in the meanwhile accusing us of dictatorial veto when most of us agree upon something and suggest it should be done.


That's swell. We're not in a town hall though. Besides, decromacy doesn't work in such a small circle.


So? I take the same point of view, I like it.

A) If you think people are acting corruptly in a forums, report it to a supermod. Nappa reported me to Lance for instance once, then stefan overruled him.
B) I have never seen forest RP, but I don't assume they don't. I don't expect Forest to justify their existence to me.
C) They could have become a cover band for Barry Manilow for all I care, artistic licence is up to the members, not former members.
D) Stefan has never made any requests or statements asking Zormite to enforce fish head gfx. Nor has Unixmad. They out rank the kingdom leaders, and unless they appoint some other position that also outranks kingdom leaders, then they are the only ones who do. Unless they say it is to be enforced, you have no right to enforce it, anymore than I can force anything on Forest.
E) Sure you can. Its documented history. Its context. Now I can't scroll? Back it up.
F) LOL now you are making faces at me for not defeating your own arguments in the means you would? I stated Zurk hates Dustari, you stated he doesn't hate Dustari...on 2k1. I stated that is irrelevant, as when I or pretty much anyone says Dustari we are not talking about 2k1, but 2k2. So what is your point about subforums? Again, you are looking to argue.
G) There is a such thing as preaching to the choir. If the end result of an argument is shared between people, then those other people rarely effectively pick apart the argument that lead to that conclusion. It doesn't make the argument right, nor does it make the end result right. More people agree with me than agree with you - does that mean I am right? Fact is both sides have people that disagree.
H) I've love to see Forest RP, but I don't. However, its not because Forest doesn't, its because I am not in forest.
I) GK does not in general, RP. I have always enforced, RPing in Dustari. That is not in any way contradictory. I have never opposed people offering suggestions, I have only opposed people trying to enforce their suggestions after they have been discussed and decided against. It would be as bad form as if my vision for say, armor class changes was proposed to stefan, and after he said he had other ideas in mind, if I mindlessly spammed the forums and harassed him and dragged thread after thread off its intended topic to rehash my old idea, trying to bludgeon him into doing things my way.
That and only that, is what I oppose, and it is what Nappa, Zurkiba, and yourself are doing. Its an old old idea, and it was proposed, and decided against. Thats all historical fact.

PS: Sorry to all the pirates who have to see this dumb, long annoying exchange.

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by Nappa

Funny that you'll argue to others about it ? The fact is, I don't care if the Zormite kingdom stays on 2k2. Just change the name from Zormite to something else. This is no longer zormite, Zormite ended after 2k1. Change the name to "HighPowerLevelPlayersRuleMe Republic" for all I care. But this isn't Zormite. And to think that it is is a damn fallacy. Change to fish, or change your name. Simple as that.

Oh and don't try to tell me that Zormite and humans integrated, because Me and Lance were the last emperors before Zormite was moved. And I made sure as hell all my members hated humans. We would NEVER allow a human to join us. I got so many pms asking if people could join as humans, but I never allowed one, just as noone before me did. To think that 5 minutes later after 2k1 zormite story ended somehow the entire world of Zormite changed is stupid. Zormite was the greatest empire to the end. This little republic is not Zormite.

...in your opinion, and its duly noted. However, I think the current leaders and members of zormite disagree, and naturally, they have the right to do things their way.

[Nappa]

I have the right to smack you in the freakin face. Everytime you someone says something you can't respond to, you say "in your opinion".

It's getting pretty annoying.

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by Nappa

I have the right to smack you in the freakin face. Everytime you someone says something you can't respond to, you say "in your opinion".

It's getting pretty annoying.

No, you do not have the right to smack myself or anyone in the face. Your opinion about zormite is undoubtly just that, an opinion. I have no trouble responding to any of your statements, but that doesn't change the fact that stating your opinion as if it was a message from god, as a plain mandate with no basis, is no more compelling than if I were to say "Nappa needs to quit forest or they will always face reduced activity of their members" or something to that effect.
What is annoying is that there are people who, for whatever reason, insist on telling other kingdoms what to do even though they have no involvement whatsoever, dispite their suggestions having already been given more airtime than they deserve.

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by busyrobot

No, you do not have the right to smack myself or anyone in the face. Your opinion about zormite is undoubtly just that, an opinion. I have no trouble responding to any of your statements, but that doesn't change the fact that stating your opinion as if it was a message from god, as a plain mandate with no basis, is no more compelling than if I were to say "Nappa needs to quit forest or they will always face reduced activity of their members" or something to that effect.
What is annoying is that there are people who, for whatever reason, insist on telling other kingdoms what to do even though they have no involvement whatsoever, dispite their suggestions having already been given more airtime than they deserve.

Advisors tell leaders what to do yet they themself are not the leader.

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

Advisors tell leaders what to do yet they themself are not the leader.

They don't tell them what to do, they advise them what to do. There is a big difference, and I don't have a problem with nappa or anyone else offering advice.

[GoZelda]

Originally Posted by busyrobot

A) If you think people are acting corruptly in a forums, report it to a supermod. Nappa reported me to Lance for instance once, then stefan overruled him.

I don't mind it, just wanted to make clear what was ment with the corruption.

Originally Posted by busyrobot

B) I have never seen forest RP, but I don't assume they don't. I don't expect Forest to justify their existence to me.

Relevance?

Originally Posted by busyrobot

C) They could have become a cover band for Barry Manilow for all I care, artistic licence is up to the members, not former members.

Still you can't compare bands with kingdoms - a new band is easily formed and it won't be terribly difficult to get the others to rename their band. This unfortunatly is not possible with kingdoms.

Originally Posted by busyrobot

D) Stefan has never made any requests or statements asking Zormite to enforce fish head gfx. Nor has Unixmad. They out rank the kingdom leaders, and unless they appoint some other position that also outranks kingdom leaders, then they are the only ones who do. Unless they say it is to be enforced, you have no right to enforce it, anymore than I can force anything on Forest.

Relevance? Besides, what would you say if you helped Dustari to greatness, then on G3D someone gets ahead of it and makes some average bomy kingdom of it or whatnot?

Originally Posted by busyrobot

E) Sure you can. Its documented history. Its context. Now I can't scroll? Back it up.

You do not wish to perform the simple action of scrolling up or down this page so you can see what Nappa had posted. You expect Zurk to quote it for you. Then you think it's reasonable if we performed even more 'labor' by having to go all the way to the Zormite forums, and search up old threads? You can't expect us to read almost the entire Zormite forums while you can't even bring it up to browse this one thread.

Originally Posted by busyrobot

Again, you are looking to argue.

No, I was saying you were right.

Originally Posted by busyrobot

G) There is a such thing as preaching to the choir. If the end result of an argument is shared between people, then those other people rarely effectively pick apart the argument that lead to that conclusion. It doesn't make the argument right, nor does it make the end result right. More people agree with me than agree with you - does that mean I am right? Fact is both sides have people that disagree.

Relevance?

Originally Posted by busyrobot

H) I've love to see Forest RP, but I don't. However, its not because Forest doesn't, its because I am not in forest.

I'm asking for the RP profiles. Surely those are documented somewhere? And if not, I have a website, which I believe is in my profile, where you can.

Originally Posted by busyrobot

and yourself are doing.

Then what exactly have I been trying to push down everybody's throat lately? Please tell me.


"PS: Sorry to all the pirates who have to see this dumb, long annoying exchange."
Yes. We should be suggesting things here, right? Guess what. That isn't the purpose of this thread.

[busyrobot]

GZ, what you are 'suggesting' is the wholesale distruption and gutting of a GK kingdom, you can't turn zormite into something it is not without undoing the last several years of history. Then you claim since you see forest RP, (and you should you are in it) but don't see Zormite RP (you aren't in it to see it) that somehow now Zormite, needs to justify its existance, to you.

That is not right in the head. I did reread all of nappa's posts, I didn't see anything meaningful. I honestly did not see anything. Now, since you are the ones who want to gut Zormite - I want to leave it alone - perhaps it wouldn't be exactly too much to ask for you to say, read their history in their forums. Of course in someone like Nappa's head, he can't see that its gutting Zormite because unless Zormite exists in the exact way of his liking at all times he can't even acknowledge it's existance. But the fact is, Zormite has existed on GK for all of GK's life. It will continue to have the right to exist. It just shows how little some people care about RPing, when you have some kingdoms, such as KJ, that could actually use some help with the topic - yet when a few people have their egos bruised because their idea is not used by a kingdom that has thrived and made a unique and diverse history for itself on GK, that dominates your minds. If nappa really cared about Zormite, and not just his ideas, he would not be out to hurt it constantly, now would he?

As for Dustari being turned into a bomy kingdom on 3D - if they do that, that is fine by me. I'd state my feelings on the topic, that I didn't like the idea, and ask what they felt it brought and if there was another way to achieve thier goals that allowed for a medieval/fantasy Dustari, but its not my decision, so after making the suggestion, of course, I would welcome their choice.
I mean really, who am I to enforce my ideas on someone else's kingdom? I own zero intellectual property on GK. If I worried how others may change my ideas down the road, I'd get nothing done. Try designing websites for a living, and go back a year later and see the gfx you have done for a client's site, rearranged in a disjointed fashion. You'd get over childish reactions like Nappa's in a hurry or you wouldn't be able to stay in the business.

PS: I do have an RP profile, I don't post it on a site. If you want to get to know my character in character, try talking to my character, in character in the game sometime.