You Want Real Balance in the Kingdoms?

[Amoun]

Originally posted by tc_topcat
Tseng...a female run kingdom can simulate society...Have u ever heard of the U.K people??????

WE HAVE A QUEEN....no king just a queen

I would love a female run kingdom..if it was to ever happen, i would love to be involved and i have some great ideas

True but, perhaps everyone could agree that it just be a majority female kingdom, it can be run by women but still men should be allowed in only if the females see them coshure enough to behave and respect others. I'm not saying its sexist but it could be like the Night Elfs if you ever played WarCraft3, its is a race mainly consiting of females but you can still find males here and there. I don't believe it to be sexist as i said already, but really an strict female only kingdom would be kind've out there. Yknow?
*Edit* to further support my proposition, U.K. has a queen, U.K. is run by a female, but, don't you still see men there? Think about it.

[Tseng]

I still dislike that it would require a threat of a female kingdom to motivate other kingdom leaders to bring this about.

[LordZen]

Originally posted by Dark-Hashi

Zens Desicion as king to let the chancellor take over is his choice, It means that Zen either doesn't trust you or is sexist

Neither is true. It is simply that I have always viewed royal families as strictly RP positions. I never liked the idea of allowing for a RP son to be next in line for kingship in a game such as Graal. I have always felt that such systems are bound to fail sooner or later, where power is inherited, and I felt like it would just encourage corruption. I have had these views since I first took control of Zormite, and I didnt even allow for any royal family for a long time. When I started being more lienient, I made it clear to the person that the position was for RP purposes only.

Zormite's system of government isnt even a kingship, its a republic led by a dictator. Who is next in line for the seat of president? The First Lady? No, its the Vice-President.

I just felt it more efficient if my 2nd in command was not part of the royal family. This has nothing to do with my personal views towards women--especially since the rank is not gender-specific--and it most certainly does not mean I dont trust Raz. Raz is one of my most trusted Zormitians, and well I did not consider to make her Chancellor because I never got the impression that she was particularly looking for power, and changing her rank would somewhat screw with our relationship...I dont think she'd want to give up her kids either, heh.

Oh, and I honestly thought you DID have the Remove right, Raz..When anU was General he said he couldnt remove either. I honestly dont know what letter it is anymore, because stefan took out the info in the "/kingdom help" command..which I still dont understand why he did that. The R right is for editing Ranks, and I always though the G right did the removing, or some letter. Well if Raz doesnt have the remove right, than neither does any of my heads of departments, and that is my mistake, it was not on purpose.

Anyways, I'm not racist or sexist in any way (conciously o_O). I have grown up around family members being alchoholics, abusive, and racist--and well I see what that does, and it has made me very much against ever becoming like any of them..

[tc_topcat]

Originally posted by Amoun

True but, perhaps everyone could agree that it just be a majority female kingdom, it can be run by women but still men should be allowed in only if the females see them coshure enough to behave and respect others. I'm not saying its sexist but it could be like the Night Elfs if you ever played WarCraft3, its is a race mainly consiting of females but you can still find males here and there. I don't believe it to be sexist as i said already, but really an strict female only kingdom would be kind've out there. Yknow?
*Edit* to further support my proposition, U.K. has a queen, U.K. is run by a female, but, don't you still see men there? Think about it.

What Im saying is why not have a female leader? men in it thats fine...but its discrimnation not having a female leader...and nobody would even consider a female in kingdoms just a male to run it

[ariella]

When I started this thread, there was no mention of it being a "female only" kingdom Idea... just a kingdom "run" by females. It might be that this kingdom would be ideal for members who want a nurturing atmoshphere of peace and harmony, It might be the perfect place for new players male or female to be 'watched" over and nurtured until their old enough and strong enough to be on their own (almost a mothering atmosphere) It might be the kingdom ruled by goddesses... who know's. There are so many ways this kingdom could add to the RP enviorment. And as I stated in the beginning... it would definately have to be well thought out, before put into action!

[ariella]

I still dislike that it would require a threat of a female kingdom to motivate other kingdom leaders to bring this about.

Isn't interesting that just the thought of adding a kingdom run by females would be considered a threat?

But even if it is a posing "threat" to motivate other kingdom leaders to be proactive in enforce rules to make their kingdom more "female friendly". Why would that be bad?

Our lives our run by all levels of threats. Where there's a crime committed, there's a threat of arrest. Where rules are broken there's a threat of punishment. Limit competition there's a threat of domination. ect, ect. Leaders of kingdom's right now face threats everyday to make changes in other areas or risk losing members or at at worse case senario... totally falling apart.

I would agree though, that the very fact that it is "perceived" as a threat says it all right there. The real question then is: Why does it feel threatening?

[Tseng]

Originally posted by ariella


Isn't interesting that just the thought of adding a kingdom run by females would be considered a threat?

But even if it is a posing "threat" to motivate other kingdom leaders to be proactive in enforce rules to make their kingdom more "female friendly". Why would that be bad?

Our lives our run by all levels of threats. Where there's a crime committed, there's a threat of arrest. Where rules are broken there's a threat of punishment. Limit competition there's a threat of domination. ect, ect. Leaders of kingdom's right now face threats everyday to make changes in other areas or risk losing members or at at worse case senario... totally falling apart.

I would agree though, that the very fact that it is "perceived" as a threat says it all right there. The real question then is: Why does it feel threatening?

I believe I wasn't exactly clear; by "threat", I referred to the implied "If things don't change, we're making a female kingdom" (which is in and of itself a threat/ultimatum by definition - I'm not referring to the degree that it threatens in this case, only the fact that that statement is a threat by definition).

As for why it would feel threatening to some kingdoms? They would worry about losing their female members. Still, it does not change the fact that some of the other kingdoms may have needed a wake-up call? I don't know what the situation in other kingdoms is, exactly; all I know is that in Dustari, I give capable people (male or female) rights/positions they deserve. There was a time when I universally gave minimal rights, and now I universally give more than minimal rights, again to those who are capable and deserve them.

[Satrek2000]

The problem is, those females who worked to get some steps up, and got themselves a reputation in their kingdom won't switch kingdoms just because there's a new one. Some would probably rather stick with a position they've earned than one they got by joining early. There are also those males who want to mock and make fun of all those who would join with the right motives - harassment would increase, methinks. Anyway, I'm not against females or a kingdom run by one or a group, but I think there will be problems along the lines that "they didn't get to get power elsewhere, so they got themselves a kingdom of their own." Well... my cents...

[TifaKhan]

When all is said and done, this most likely wont even happen, i doubt Stefan has even had the time to read it, and again, would he understand the point?
On Doomsday i can ban players for sexual harrassment, on gK i cant do anything.
Heck its not even GK.
I was sexually harrassed on Era and the staff laughed about it and i fled.
I was sexually harrassed on Delteria and threatened, it took Nemesis to do something.
Speaking my thoughts, i like the idea, would i switch to it?
I'm not sure really.
As has been said, it would have to be planned carefully.

[konidias]

The real matter we need to look at is not the kingdoms dominated by males, but the sexual harassment.

There aren't any people with any sort of power that are on GK enough to handle sexual harassment, or harassment of any nature. Once there are people that can handle these problems, the female player population will rise.

As for a kingdom run by females... I don't think it's necassary. It would do more bad than good, as it's just segregating the sexes even more. It would be nice if females led a couple of the current kingdoms though.

But people, look at the big picture here. The server is called Graal Kingdoms. King as in a man that runs a kingdom. If you're roleplaying by Medieval standards, you'd realise that there weren't "Queendoms" in the middle ages. There also wasn't any such thing as being sexist. In medieval times, men rules the land. So it's only fair to say that it's going to follow the same pathway on GK. Just read the name, it speaks loud and clear.

I'm not saying it's good to stick with the tradition, I'm just stating that GK was based around that, and that is why there currently are no women running a kingdom. If the rules were changed, then perhaps there would be, but as of right now, I'm pretty sure it's the King who rules a kingdom.

[ariella]

QUOTE]But people, look at the big picture here. The server is called Graal Kingdoms. King as in a man that runs a kingdom. If you're roleplaying by Medieval standards, you'd realise that there weren't "Queendoms" in the middle ages. There also wasn't any such thing as being sexist. In medieval times, men rules the land. So it's only fair to say that it's going to follow the same pathway on GK. Just read the name, it speaks loud and clear.[/QUOTE]

The United Kingdom is run by a Queen (and is not called a Queendom)

The definition of Kingdom:

king·dom ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kngdm)
n.
A political or territorial unit ruled by a sovereign.

The eternal spiritual sovereignty of God or Christ.
The realm of this sovereignty.
A realm or sphere in which one thing is dominant
One of the three main divisions (animal, vegetable, and mineral) into which natural organisms and objects are classified.

[tc_topcat]

The United Kingdom has been run my many females.

What bothers me is that would a female be thought of to take on the roles as queen?

for example, Razelle, if the king left Zormite would he think right ok she's the Queen lets put her in charge, or would he go to pick a male to take on the role of King?

I doubt that he would, I think within kingdoms the next person in line should get the King or Queen.

As for kingdoms trying to represent society, it doesn't it were to the Governor of CP should of been Stefan or Robin because they were next in line, but it was given to Ghost pirate...so to say that kingdoms should represent society is not a valid argument

[LordZen]

Eh, yes that is the modern day meaning, Raz. Remember though, that at one point *** just meant happy.

The term probably arose in the middle ages, or shortly after, to describe what was generally the case. The English language, like most others, has evolved since then.

And yes there were queens back then too that ruled the land. Hell there were she-pharoas in Egypt, but it was also a male dominated society and I remember one queen of Egypt was always portrayed as having a beard because the people were embarassed of having a female run their society.

[LordZen]

Originally posted by tc_topcat
for example, Razelle, if the king left Zormite would he think right ok she's the Queen lets put her in charge, or would he go to pick a male to take on the role of King?

I doubt that he would, I think within kingdoms the next person in line should get the King or Queen.

Arg.
Zormite is a Republic, and I am not a king. And even if I didnt have Raz replace me, that doesnt mean I would go search out for another "male" specifically. It has nothing to do with sex...

[ariella]

Adding the definition of "Kingdom" was just my way of stearing away from the

The server is called Graal Kingdoms. King as in a man that runs a kingdom.

And Zen your right about the term, that it has "probably "evolved" into its modern day meaning. But I guess that this was the point of the thread. To have a little "evolution" in at least one area of Kingdoms.

And YES.... thank you Zen... Zormite isn't a "monarchy" so for people who keep assuming this thread is because I don't get to be a "Ruler" after Zen is gone, I've always known that I would not be "Leader Someday" and that's just how it is, because the Queen (who's title is actually First Lady in Zormite) doesnt take over after the King (who's title is Dictator in Zormite) leaves. That would be like "First Lady Bush" talking over the office of President of the United States should President Bush leave for any reason....That's what I mean about it's never gonna happen. But this thread was never suppose to be about "Why I don't get to rule Zormite... It was a suggestion to (and I like the word Zen used) evolve a little. Not make all the kingdom leaders change their governmental structure (except maybe to stand against the sexual abuses that happen) It was an idea to add one more type of government run by females to add another type of RPing to the "Kingdom's Enviorment" And the hope of this "New kingdom" balancing the male and female player experience. Let's not even call it a "New Kingdom" then if we are gonna nick pick on words.... let's simply call it a "New Island" run by females.