Debate: Should N-Pulse Remain on the Classic Tab?

[salesman]

I really don't feel like reading everything in this thread, but in my opinion, an incomplete or unplayable server should not be on the server list. (having a steady player-count of zero falls into the "unplayable" category)

Although if it is removed from the list, it should remain classic-enabled so that the staff can continue to work on it.

[Demisis_P2P]

Originally Posted by salesman

I really don't feel like reading everything in this thread, but in my opinion, an incomplete or unplayable server should not be on the server list. (having a steady player-count of zero falls into the "unplayable" category)

Although if it is removed from the list, it should remain classic-enabled so that the staff can continue to work on it.

This is what it boils down to. Nothing else matters.

[Cloven]

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

I haven't said a negative word about Delteria and have no personal feelings toward it either. What are you talking about? I have nothing against Delteria and I resent the implication that "he has always had negative things to say about Delteria". Present these, or assume you're mistaking me with someone else (Possibly HoudiniMan, I remember he wasn't too fond of Delteria even existing).

Chance is just emotionally attached to Delteria, as a few of us who have been there for nearly ten years are. I am happy to clear up the perception of your 'hatred' for Delteria: You and I have had multiple conversations about Delteria, TSA, and I can say that I'm certain you don't wish us any ill will.

Regarding Houdini's feelings you speak of, that was in the past, and there was bad blood for a while because Houdini was fired from Delteria a long time ago. Those feelings were cleared up before he quit his PWA position, however, and he and I used to talk frequently. Houdini even asked me multiple times to manage UN along with Delteria because he was sick of UN's common ineptitude -- so I'm definitely sure any malicious feelings he may have had were long-since faded.

This thread is not really the place to complain about how Delteria has received the short end of the stick over the years even though that may be true in the grand scheme of things. I am sure you guys will decided whatever you decide regarding N-Pulse's classic status, though it would seem the decision in this instance is rather obvious.

In any event, I wish everyone the best of luck, and ultimately I hope people in general are able to start acting in the best interest of the Graal community.. as that is what is currently lacking the most (from the server-level up to the CJ administration).

[Demisis_P2P]

I'd hate to see how much you would have typed if you read the other half of the thread as well.

[6Burning6Church6]

I have wall of text syndrome. D:

[Fulg0reSama]

Surprisingly I didn't collapse from reading that wall. You've made very strong points chance. You said a lot of things I had in mind and even more things I had not even thought of. This is the kind of feedback and opinions this forum needs more of. +rep to you sir. I agree broken content is obviously a bad thing. Which is why we're doing what we have in our power to fix this, But I really hope you guys understand it isn't completely all in our power, Our gserver probably drops connecting to NC more than your whole neighborhood would in a violent thunderstorm combined. (You must imagine that is pretty nasty) and this is only to bring up for things such as for certain gmap related issues.

[DarkReaper0]

I saw something about how it should be removed due to making the game look unprofessional and barren/empty/missing players/whatever.

I just opened Graal Server List and this is what I saw.



How dare n-pulse sit there making Graal look bad, shame on them

[Matt]

Here's my answer and reply.

No. I don't say this because I work there and don't want to work for a private server, but for the fact that we haven't been given proper assistance from the GDT, at all plain and simple, and because i think it's a wee bit too early to have an official debate on this topic to be honest after a drastic change in direction. As it's been stated about 2-3 times now, Rebirth has not been cancelled, but set aside to get in compliance with what everyone is apparently complaining about, which is Classic Tab requirements. Management and Administration have noticed we need to step it up majorly about 1 year ago. I can't say we have lazy staff, because we don't. SlikRick and I don't even deal with lazy staff.

After our realization of needing a big change, development production went up drastically, the activity of most of our staff was real good and it was just going good overall. Not much could be seen or told to the public in regards to Rebirth because of previous Management, and because of that I really think it killed a lot of the staff motivation. Especially considering most work could not be 'shown' off until the project was completely done, and we all know there was a ways to go. There still is now, but not nearly as much as there was a year ago.

N-Pulse management has concerned me ever since I started working/playing there. And I won't name anyone, but there was a group of us who did not agree with management, at all or in any aspect. That wasn't going to be dealt with, and by the end of that big change had come. My point of that little story is to make sure that everyone knows that there was a BIG change in Management from Chang to SlikRick. I know a good amount of developers could care less about N-Pulse because of this whole Rebirth thing, but I’d like to say that you should give N-Pulse a second chance, and help us in our development.

I know a lot of people, including some friends, which declined working on N-Pulse because of it's management before SlikRick, and the fact that they just didn't like the ideas and/or plans for Rebirth. We have come a long way really, and honestly, and I think putting Rebirth on the back-burner is a grand idea, and we won't have such a hard time maintaining our classic tab requirements if Rebirth doesn't have to be worried about, at all. Assuming that this debate thread was created in reference to what SlikRick posted in the N-Pulse section....I’m almost positive Bell or any of the PWA are going to jump to remove N-Pulse after a big change like this without giving us a second chance, and listening to our new plans.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Matt

I don't say this because i work there and don't want to work for a private server, but for the fact that we haven't been given proper assistance from the GDT

Originally Posted by Matt

Management and Administration have noticed we need to step it up majorly about 1 year ago. I can't say we have lazy staff, because we don't. SlikRick and myself don't even deal with lazy staff.

So do you have incompetent staff or what? I don't see why you're shifting the blame onto the 'lack of GDT' help.

[SlikRick]

Originally Posted by Rufus

So do you have incompetent staff or what? I don't see why you're shifting the blame onto the 'lack of GDT' help.

If we don't tolerate lazy staff why would we tolerate incompetent staff? The developers we have had over the past few months were great, but conflicts with their lives arose and they would have to quit. GDT help has been requested and the only one that has come to contribute, besides the GDT members that already work on N-Pulse, was Soala. We could only get so far without getting the help we really needed, which was with scripting. People join GDT to get the cool global tag, but when it comes down to it very few of them are willing to go out and help those that actually need it. Most just help out their friends server and throw on the GDT tag to look cool.

[fowlplay4]

Originally Posted by SlikRick

If we don't tolerate lazy staff why would we tolerate incompetent staff? The developers we have had over the past few months were great, but conflicts with their lives arose and they would have to quit. GDT help has been requested and the only one that has come to contribute, besides the GDT members that already work on N-Pulse, was Soala. We could only get so far without getting the help we really needed, which was with scripting. People join GDT to get the cool global tag, but when it comes down to it very few of them are willing to go out and help those that actually need it. Most just help out their friends server and throw on the GDT tag to look cool.

Who did you ask, and how?

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Rufus

So do you have incompetent staff or what? I don't see why you're shifting the blame onto the 'lack of GDT' help.

I really don't mean to put any blame on them, but when your expectations are set to something, and receive nothing they become a part of our problem. Not much, but still something.

[6Burning6Church6]

I honestly don't think you guys should be forced to put Rebirth onto the backburner like you are. I think the GDT should step in and help you with straightening up the live server so the few developers you have can focus their efforts on the Rebirth project as they have been doing for the passed couple of years. I also think that the GDT should be available to help you with progression through the Rebirth development to make that go even faster. Graal's developers are getting thinner and thinner every year, and now the bulk of the best are working for the "GDT" who do nothing but write up wiki articles and now are even talking about dedicating their time to a server that is nowhere near completion.

Honestly you are suffering from the same fate as any other server who has tried to help Graal evolve into a better platform. You get ridiculed by people who can't help you, and probably wouldn't even if they had the talent to do so, and you get shrugged off by the GDT when you ask them for help. It's sad really, but that's the fate of a game run by volunteers. It'd be a big help if somebody in charge of these "global" teams decided to make some rules and standards of which the "global" teams would perform, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.

The GDT is currently reforming as I hear, getting new members and leaders and whatnot, so maybe if enough people point out that they should be helping the game as a whole instead of dedicating all their time to whatever server they personally want to see completed things will change. Though I highly doubt any amount of pointing out what they should do will change their actions, they're too used to being stuck in their old ways.

In a way I'm glad I don't get involved with Graal politics too often anymore. Though I do miss pointing out all the flaws they have still yet to even attempt to fix in their way of running things.

[cbk1994]

Don't wait up for the GDT to help.

[fowlplay4]

Which members of the GDT did you ask? If they are abandoning projects that they made commitments to they should be removed from the team.