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Originally Posted by TSAdmin
There's no case of double standards when the promise for redemption within both situations differs. Rebirth had more promise for redemption on main than the dev server's existence for Delteria. Simply existing is one thing, moving along the path to redeem the server and showing that progress is being made makes all the difference to buying time. As I have already mentioned before, I am not making any promises about undiscussed topics, but with the fall of Rebirth the chances are high for doing what you're stating - Removing it for the same reason Delteria was.
If you didn't get that from the beginning, perhaps you will now.
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You know, you're right. You haven't really said anything negative about Delteria and I apologize. As Cloven said I kinda have tunnel vision when it comes to Delt, and while reading the thread for the first time I saw so much of pojo's posts defending Delteria that I kinda misread this as something worse than it was. Although I don't see how Rebirth was more promising than Delt Dev, this really isn't that slanderous. I do think you should check your facts before making such statements though, being that if you saw progress on Delteria you'd probably pull a 180 on these views.
Now off to more rambling!!! I remember when Bell had told Delteria they were in danger of being taken off of the hosted tab, at this time they had already begun rescripting the levels on the classic server and even started hosting weekly events again. Maintaining the live server seems to be what is required of you to keep from being taken off of classic, yet this is something NPulse isn't doing and Delteria was making an attempt to do, yet you somehow flip your views around to make it seem as though NPulse is fine not doing this and Delteria doing this would have had no impact on them being taken down or not. It's very confusing imho and I think you should clarify whether yo are or aren't requiring Classic servers to maintain their live server while performing heavy construction on a Dev server. Again, I don't disagree with you saying N-Pulse should remain Classic, however, I think if you are to continue arguing with people you need a clear set of standards and not a set of rules that changes depending on who is talking about said rules and who the target of the conversation is. Your enforcement seems very circumstantial to me.
I'm trying not to digress here, but as I said I have wall of text syndrom so bear with me. Maintaining the live server actually took away from time that the developers were spending on making the new server which is why, as stated earlier, Delteria requested themselves be taken off of the classic tab as they didn't have time to maintain the live server and still develop the new server. I honestly think this is where the GDT is needed most. It's already too late to revive the old Delteria Gmap at this point, however N-Pulse still has a chance if they get some help. I don't know what the GDT is doing with their time, but one of their main jobs should be to maintain Classic servers that aren't doing it themselves. Not to say that it isn't the responsibility of the servers management, however, if the management fails to do so you should try to help them out rather than make veiled threats. (which it seems is what you are trying to do with N-Pulse by not taking them down, which I commend you for, however I think you should try to refrain from feeding the public with replies and justifications as you will have people like Pojo making posts about how you took or threatened to take Delteria or some other server down for basically being in the same position).
As stated by Fulg, N-Pulse at the current moment simply does not have the resources to work on two projects at once right now. Isn't this what the GDT is there for? I don't expect you, as a PWA to be able to do much other than nudge the managers in the right direction, however, I think you guys need major staff structure reform to have the GDT either work with or even under the PWA and be assigned to help certain servers. Whether it be a Classic server that is struggling to maintain their live server while working on a development project, or a hosted server that is very promising, almost complete, but having a hard time making the fine touches.
I'd also like to say that I agree with you 100% about UN being on par, or better, than both N-Pulse and Delteria in their current states. This, however, has nothing to do with the fact that you still have not picked a server to replace Delteria, Doomsday, or any other server that has been taken off of the classic tab. The amount of servers to pick from off of the classic tab is shrinking rapidly (well...kinda slowly actually :P) and if there isn't a server worthy of being put up then you guys need to find some of the closest ones ready to go Classic and force the GDT to help them get ready for a release.
I guess this should go into a thread criticizing the way the GDT is run, however, this does have very much to do with N-Pulse and it's current state and what is actually needed for the server. I've stated it several times but I'll say it again: They need help from the staff team that was created for the purposes of helping servers in need!!!!!!!
Again, sorry for getting so hostile towards ya TSA, like I said, I get tunnel vision and I mostly scanned through the thread and noticed a lot of Pojo's defensive posts about Delteria without realizing there were no offensive posts for him to defend it from. I do still feel, however, that you guys need serious restructuring in how things are run on Graal before you wind up chasing away the few volunteers you have left with all the red tape and constant rule changes. You need to set up some strict guidelines of what is required of a classic server, you need to clarify what, if anything, will get a server taken off of Classic status instead of winging it and basing the decision off of how the majority of the PWA's feel about a particular server at that very moment.
07-29-2010, 04:54 PM
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