What happened

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Rufus

As it is now? I wouldn't, haha. I'd rather it reflected what it should be

I meant as far as looks. Like Graal characters as they are, and so on....I liked the green, and the banners that had parts of level, and real character screenshots. I would just like the site to have that feel again, and the easy navigation.

How do you know the site doesnt reflect what they want Graal to be? Maybe they dont share your view of the way Graal should be. We have no way of knowing what they are going for because they dont tell us.
I am an oldbie, and I miss the old ways as much as other oldbies, but it's not coming back...

[Admins]

Pages like http://www.graalonline.com/playerworlds/ display graphics from the game. I'm not sure what you mean with easy navigation, the number of menu entries have been reduced drastically.

[HoudiniMan]

Originally Posted by Stephen

"Oh, you made us a webpage? Fantastic. What - you did it as part of an ongoing relationship with our business?

So what, you want partner or something?

It's a website, make it to help everybody - if you WANT to.
If you don't want to, for whatever reason, then don't.

But, don't you think it's possible if you made a killer website they would use it once they see it? Even if they did pay (not confirming, just hypothetically) for the current site, don't you think they would use a better one if all they had to do with hand out some Gold time?

I mean, come on, how many games would you even know where to SEND a killer website for their review? I don't know if you're a serious web developer, but a live company site would be a good addition to any portfolio. It's not like this is even a difficult job.

Everybody has a chance to change Graal, and everybody is waiting for everybody else to do it. If I could make websites, I would make one for Graal. I just suck at making websites.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Pages like http://www.graalonline.com/playerworlds/ display graphics from the game. I'm not sure what you mean with easy navigation, the number of menu entries have been reduced drastically.

On a pink background. I think that's all that needs to be said.

Oh, and it's not a matter of numbers, navigation is a *****. I can't find anything on the new site.

Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

So what, you want partner or something?

It's a website, make it to help everybody - if you WANT to.
If you don't want to, for whatever reason, then don't.

But, don't you think it's possible if you made a killer website they would use it once they see it? Even if they did pay (not confirming, just hypothetically) for the current site, don't you think they would use a better one if all they had to do with hand out some Gold time?

I mean, come on, how many games would you even know where to SEND a killer website for their review? I don't know if you're a serious web developer, but a live company site would be a good addition to any portfolio. It's not like this is even a difficult job.

Everybody has a chance to change Graal, and everybody is waiting for everybody else to do it. If I could make websites, I would make one for Graal. I just suck at making websites.

Why should Stephen do it just to help? I'm sure they paid someone to make the new site, why should Stephen do it just to help because he's part of the community?

[Programmer]

As I said, I volunteer to redesign the website if need be, just say the word and give me ideas and if I have Stefan/Unixmad's permission, I'll make a new one with better design and navigation.

[Desear]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Why should Stephen do it just to help? I'm sure they paid someone to make the new site, why should Stephen do it just to help because he's part of the community?

Because he wants to help the players? Or the community doesn't matter enough to him, he needs some kind of material reward?

Originally Posted by Programmer

As I said, I volunteer to redesign the website if need be, just say the word and give me ideas and if I have Stefan/Unixmad's permission, I'll make a new one with better design and navigation.

Anyway, I really think the community would appreciate that, I think they mostly agree they want to stick with Graal's Green Color for the homepage, and maybe use one of the old main pages for the site, thats in the first post, just add the new playerworlds, and such. Then post some screen-shots, and see what everyone thinks, heck might even attract their attention.

[Programmer]

Originally Posted by Desear

Anyway, I really think the community would appreciate that, I think they mostly agree they want to stick with Graal's Green Color for the homepage, and maybe use one of the old main pages for the site, thats in the first post, just add the new playerworlds, and such. Then post some screen-shots, and see what everyone thinks, heck might even attract their attention.

I just require access to the FTP / MySQL server for me to create a new website, and knowing Stefan and Unixmad, they won't let me near it -.-'

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Desear

Because he wants to help the players? Or the community doesn't matter enough to him, he needs some kind of material reward?

And? Stefan and Unix shouldn't have to rely on everyone 'just helping the community'. If someone else is getting paid for the same services, it doesn't seem wrong that Stephan ask for compensation as well.

[Desear]

Originally Posted by Programmer

I just require access to the FTP / MySQL server for me to create a new website, and knowing Stefan and Unixmad, they won't let me near it -.-'

I see, thought you were going to do a rough example of what you could make it, with a freewebs service temporarily, then ask for access. Or would that limit you too much?

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

And? Stefan and Unix shouldn't have to rely on everyone 'just helping the community'. If someone else is getting paid for the same services, it doesn't seem wrong that Stephan ask for compensation as well.

Well, then let him ask, I'm saying what does it really amount to, why does he need payment? Because he doesn't really care about just doing it for the community, he thinks he deserves some higher reward then that. Anyway, since Programmer seems to be attempting to do it for free, it doesn't really matter.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Pages like http://www.graalonline.com/playerworlds/ display graphics from the game. I'm not sure what you mean with easy navigation, the number of menu entries have been reduced drastically.

For instance, where are the Graal rules, and the TOS? There should be a link in the drop down menu on the main page, but there isnt.
There should also be clear rules made up for playerworld owners. Things they can or cannot do, and maybe some suggestions on what to do or not to do....and linked on the main page.

To make myself clear, I do really like the way the website is done....it is very well done, but the colors throughout, and graphics on the main page just lack Graal feel to me.
That being said, I'm not going to massively complain about something relatively minor. I will simply get used to it, but I do think rules, and TOS needs to be easily accessible.

[Programmer]

Originally Posted by Desear

I see, thought you were going to do a rough example of what you could make it, with a freewebs service temporarily, then ask for access. Or would that limit you too much?

I cannot code my website on Freewebs due to the lack of PHP and MySQL support. I could create a subdomain of sympgraal.com, but I need to make sure this will actually be used before I do anything :|

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

So what, you want partner or something?

Don't be a clod.

Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

But, don't you think it's possible if you made a killer website they would use it once they see it? Even if they did pay (not confirming, just hypothetically) for the current site, don't you think they would use a better one if all they had to do with hand out some Gold time?

They wouldn't pay. But that's not really important - do you know much about webdesign? This wouldn't be easy... you couldn't just make it and give it to them. It would have to interface with a lot of (I assume) PHP & MySQL... or some sort of database language, whatever they're using.

I could make a design but it would be meaningless to them and I'm really not willing to waste my efforts. I put a lot of effort into great ideas and great development when I was younger only to watch it go unused, and I'm no longer willing to do that.

Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

I mean, come on, how many games would you even know where to SEND a killer website for their review? I don't know if you're a serious web developer, but a live company site would be a good addition to any portfolio. It's not like this is even a difficult job.

I have a job I intend to keep for a long time, so my portfolio is strictly hobby.

Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

Everybody has a chance to change Graal, and everybody is waiting for everybody else to do it. If I could make websites, I would make one for Graal. I just suck at making websites.

I thought you were a PWA?

Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

It's a website, make it to help everybody - if you WANT to.
If you don't want to, for whatever reason, then don't.

I'm not really sure if this is worth commenting on - but wtf, who can't figure that out on their own? lol

[cbk1994]

Stefan, how can you not see how hard the site is to navigate?

No new people will have a clue what Playerworlds or Zone are. The colors look like crap, and your target audience definitely couldn't navigate that. If you want, I'll get a video of my seven year old sister trying?

[kia345]

What was honestly going through you guy's minds, leaving behind these?

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by kia345

What was honestly going through you guy's minds, leaving behind these?

Nothing, obviously.

PS: Taken on a Mac, or with a Mac skin?