Debate: Should N-Pulse Remain on the Classic Tab?

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Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

...Valikorlia has been in "heavy development" basically like us for quite a while.

Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

I said as long, not longer.

Just pointing that out. To me it infers the same length of time basically (and by basically I mean at the least).

Everything I said in my previous post is pretty close to what has happened, so it is neither ignorant or from being misinformed whatsoever (except valkoria which I explicitly stated I wasen't actually sure on).

Anyways, put my 2 cents in. All servers should constantly have to live up to the standards of the requirement to get into classic tab, and Npulse has been far from it for a very very long time. So...
"Debate: Should N-Pulse Remain on the Classic Tab? "


...no.

[nullify]

Perhaps if it was off the list the development staff wouldn't be distracted by players. Then they could work instead of sitting around bsing.

[Akira_P2P]

As far as that goes, null, things are getting done. It may not be the quickest thing in the world, but it's getting done. It's hard to find developers that want to work on N-Pulse because everyone keeps talking bad about N-Pulse while they're snuggled nice and tight inside a server that they contribute nothing to. All they want is to belittle a server that they probably haven't logged onto in years, and for what? A little agreement from someone that they most likely idolize? People need to just shut up about N-Pulse and let us do our thing. Maybe then, people would start coming on with an interest to help our development staff out.

[nullify]

Maybe the quality developers aren't interested because the management can't make up their damn minds about what they want to do.

[Akira_P2P]

I'll continue to believe that it's because the majority of the population says N-Pulse is dead, and other redundant things that they know nothing about.

[Fulg0reSama]

We are willing to answer questions, Just please ask sensible ones... Or contribute towards what you'd like to see on the server. I mean if it's not dead obvious already you guys don't really like us, But wouldn't you like to be able to have a say in a way to make N-Pulse at least in your eyes tolerable? I mean we're not your enemies here, we want your input and help with it in any way that's beneficial.

"How will you make the new players feel welcomed to the server and willing to play?" "Will there be super awesome fun toys n stuff?" Anything just help us make N-Pulse more fun or ask any questions that you wish to ask.

tl;dr: We are only asking for your contributions through ideas and or questions about the new update that's on the way. Was all of this truly necessary?

[SlikRick]

Apparently specifics are too much to ask for. Gmap breaking. What issues are you having with it? Specific details. How are we supposed to fix things that you are having issues with when you do not clearly state them? Your response seems to clearly get others going and to try and get under my staff's skin.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by SlikRick

Apparently specifics are too much to ask for. Gmap breaking. What issues are you having with it? Specific details. How are we supposed to fix things that you are having issues with when you do not clearly state them? Your response seems to clearly get others going and to try and get under my staff's skin.

I don't believe that you are not aware of the issues, considering it took the grand total of 5 minutes for my map to break and it has been like this for years.

[SlikRick]

Originally Posted by Rufus

I don't believe that you are not aware of the issues, considering it took the grand total of 5 minutes for my map to break and it has been like this for years.

Was that so hard? Yes I am aware of this issue and we have been trying to come up with a solution on how to fix this, but haven't had any luck yet obviously. We have asked Tig to come on and help fix it, seeing as he was the one who converted everything over to gmap and reuploaded everything after it was done, but only answers we get out of him is "Consider it a learning experience for N-Pulse.". So we are supposed to know how to fix something when none of us have extensive Gmap troubleshooting experience, and the GDT who are supposed to be here to help servers just give smartass answers, are supposed to magicly get everything fixed? If any of you know how to fix this error or have an idea on something that might work, please feel free to contact me in game or send me a message on the Forums.

[Switch]

Originally Posted by SlikRick

Was that so hard? Yes I am aware of this issue and we have been trying to come up with a solution on how to fix this, but haven't had any luck yet obviously. We have asked Tig to come on and help fix it, seeing as he was the one who converted everything over to gmap and reuploaded everything after it was done, but only answers we get out of him is "Consider it a learning experience for N-Pulse.". So we are supposed to know how to fix something when none of us have extensive Gmap troubleshooting experience, and the GDT who are supposed to be here to help servers just give smartass answers, are supposed to magicly get everything fixed? If any of you know how to fix this error or have an idea on something that might work, please feel free to contact me in game or send me a message on the Forums.

Redo the GMAP. Make it what you want it to be for your next project. Stick to that GMAP and you won't need many level designers.

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by SlikRick

Was that so hard? Yes I am aware of this issue and we have been trying to come up with a solution on how to fix this, but haven't had any luck yet obviously. We have asked Tig to come on and help fix it, seeing as he was the one who converted everything over to gmap and reuploaded everything after it was done, but only answers we get out of him is "Consider it a learning experience for N-Pulse.". So we are supposed to know how to fix something when none of us have extensive Gmap troubleshooting experience, and the GDT who are supposed to be here to help servers just give smartass answers, are supposed to magicly get everything fixed? If any of you know how to fix this error or have an idea on something that might work, please feel free to contact me in game or send me a message on the Forums.

Well, in all fairness, the reason I forced the map over to a gmap is because when v6 comes out, those text maps aren't supported. I wanted to give you guys plenty of time to prepare for v6 by converting your map to a gmap early. The only reason I actually converted it myself is because no other staff member knew how to do it.

Most of the problems you're experiencing can be fixed with some things as simple as LATs editing levels, and others (like npcs) are just as simple as an x/y offset.

[Akira_P2P]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

Most of the problems you're experiencing can be fixed with some things as simple as LATs editing levels, and others (like npcs) are just as simple as an x/y offset.

I knew about these map glitches the day I started working on N-Pulse. Just yesterday I went to the places that Rufus was mentioning, one of which, was npulse_extra30.nw.

I can tell you now, it's not a simple x/y offset. If you see the glitch, and walk to it, then it turns into a completely different glitch. I'll upload a video to show you what I'm talking about. There's not a simple fix to this, as I've already looked into it, it's something that I'm not able to fix, nor any of the other staff on N-Pulse.

[Fulg0reSama]

Going to ignore you since you're just being pretty immature. If you want to clash wits and such, Do that in forum pm with me instead of spamming.

[6Burning6Church6]

So I got halfway through page 2 before deciding to type.

First off, as Cloven already stated Delteria had requested to be taken off of the Classic tab prior to the PWA's finally deciding to do so, although there were threats that it would happen soon. These threats were actually what got the management thinking about it actually being a good idea, whether or not the PWA would go through with taking Delteria down had management not requested I don't know. Honestly last I heard the PWA didn't exactly have as much power as everybody thinks and it is really ultimately up to Stefan to approve somebody going on or off of the classic tab.

With that said let me address the topic at hand. Should N-Pulse be taken off the classic tab? I honestly think no server should be taken off of the classic tab unless there is AT LEAST one server that is on par with or better than the server being taken down. The exception to this should only be upon request from said servers manager requesting that they go under construction. Why? Well look at how few servers we have on the classic tab nowadays why would you as a player want this number to fall even lower?

Do I think it is messed up that TSA is sitting there spouting a bunch of nonsensical bull**** about Delteria and it's development? Yeah I do, but the fact is he's wrong, Delteria's progress is coming along nicely, and though it has had some delays and backpedaling in development I personally think it is not only more promising than "Rebirth" but it is also still actually under development. TSA is being quite a hypocrite here, and I don't see how his fellow graalonline staff are condoning him being obviously hypocritical and biased in public conversations about how and why the PWA will enforce their rules, even if he is pulling facts out of nowhere. His claims simply have no standing and make no sense.

What I suggest you Player World Administrators do is create a thread on your private boards and discuss how you will deal with situations like this. I suggest you make it a point to not play obvious favorites. Whether it be a made up tale of fiction like TSA's story, or a true fact, you should not say in the same thread how one server will stay active to try to promote development during it's personal downtime, while another server was taken off of classic because of a lull in development. You should also discuss the slander. There is much negative speak about Delteria's development coming from TSA here, as I recall he has always had negative things to say about Delteria. Be it a personal problem, or him just going with the flow of other naysayers I think that he should bite his tongue before making false, or any negative, statements about the development status of any server.

Maybe you don't care about anything but iphone content, however, all of your development whether it be transitioning into a more iphone friendly platform or improving pc style game play we are your bread and butter when it comes to development. N-Pulse, Delteria, Unholy Nation, Zodiac, and Era hold the bulk of your best development teams, and all of these people are willing to work for you FOR FREE. Why don't you try playing ****ing nice for once instead of chasing even more people away.

Glad to see you PWA's still act like the damn Gestapo. I can't wait till the next gen finally shows up, I'm sick of your regime. ****ing Nemesis was better than you hypocritical nonsensical idiots. (Bell, you've actually been pretty fair when I've dealt with you, but you're co workers never cease to amaze me in their ignorance)


edit: I'd also like to point out that broken content is a very bad thing, and even Delteria, having no players to please, consistently went through and fixed any broken content that was ever reported to them. Broken content is probably the worst thing that a server on the Classic tab could have. Although I think if the management of the server doesn't address this issue the PWA's should have a discussion with the GDT and have this attended to. However, I've never actually seen any single global staff team work together properly, so it is kind of a stretch to imagine that you could get 2 teams to work together. XD

[TSAdmin]

Originally Posted by 6Burning6Church6

With that said let me address the topic at hand. Should N-Pulse be taken off the classic tab? I honestly think no server should be taken off of the classic tab unless there is AT LEAST one server that is on par with or better than the server being taken down. The exception to this should only be upon request from said servers manager requesting that they go under construction. Why? Well look at how few servers we have on the classic tab nowadays why would you as a player want this number to fall even lower?

That also kept in mind, there have been multiple unanswered posts that pretty much tell you that UN is "on par or better". I still refuse to state any course of action as fact until it has been fully discussed among the PWA, but at least by your stated parameters for removing a Classic server, N-Pulse would have been removed long ago as there is a server "on par with it or doing better than the server being taken down".

Originally Posted by 6Burning6Church6

Do I think it is messed up that TSA is sitting there spouting a bunch of nonsensical bull**** about Delteria and it's development? Yeah I do, but the fact is he's wrong, Delteria's progress is coming along nicely, and though it has had some delays and backpedaling in development I personally think it is not only more promising than "Rebirth" but it is also still actually under development. TSA is being quite a hypocrite here, and I don't see how his fellow graalonline staff are condoning him being obviously hypocritical and biased in public conversations about how and why the PWA will enforce their rules, even if he is pulling facts out of nowhere. His claims simply have no standing and make no sense.

I'd like to take this point in time to show you something:



I'm sure you've been on forums long enough to know that the little arrow indicates if you have posted in the thread listed. That said, when I made my posts in this thread, information I provided came from that thread in which I did not participate at the time for one reason or another. Keeping that in mind, if you feel the information I provided here was "nonsensical bull****", that is no fault of my own - don't shoot (or slander as the case may be) the messenger.

Originally Posted by 6Burning6Church6

There is much negative speak about Delteria's development coming from TSA here, as I recall he has always had negative things to say about Delteria. Be it a personal problem, or him just going with the flow of other naysayers I think that he should bite his tongue before making false, or any negative, statements about the development status of any server.

I haven't said a negative word about Delteria and have no personal feelings toward it either. What are you talking about? I have nothing against Delteria and I resent the implication that "he has always had negative things to say about Delteria". Present these, or assume you're mistaking me with someone else (Possibly HoudiniMan, I remember he wasn't too fond of Delteria even existing).

Originally Posted by 6Burning6Church6

Maybe you don't care about anything but iphone content, however, all of your development whether it be transitioning into a more iphone friendly platform or improving pc style game play we are your bread and butter when it comes to development. N-Pulse, Delteria, Unholy Nation, Zodiac, and Era hold the bulk of your best development teams, and all of these people are willing to work for you FOR FREE. Why don't you try playing ****ing nice for once instead of chasing even more people away.

The PWA have no standing on the iPhone server so it's none of our concern - thus doesn't take up any of our mind space. You seem to be getting rather carried away by this point in your post.

Originally Posted by 6Burning6Church6

Glad to see you PWA's still act like the damn Gestapo. I can't wait till the next gen finally shows up, I'm sick of your regime. ****ing Nemesis was better than you hypocritical nonsensical idiots. (Bell, you've actually been pretty fair when I've dealt with you, but you're co workers never cease to amaze me in their ignorance)

This will just get your post edited/deleted. You say in the previous paragraph "try playing ****ing nice" and further back call us hypocrites? I don't need to spell out what's wrong with this picture.

Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

I'd hate to see how much you would have typed if you read the other half of the thread as well.

I really wish he had read the rest. After the tongue lashing he just put my name through, I sure as heck know the feeling of standing up with only half the facts (allegedly).