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Old 09-04-2009, 02:59 AM
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@MontyPython: Your scenario is inaccurate, as a scammer on Era doesn't look suspicious. He tries to trick a player into dropping their item. He doesn't sit in a dark alley. Instead he may say that hes lagging and his trade window is broken, or that he's an undercover GP. Nonetheles, why should people who scam get the easy way out? They deserve to be punished. People who get scammed are NOT idiots. That type of belief is what makes Era a place for many ego-crazy teenagers.
Of course he doesn't sit in a dark alley, but I was trying to relate it back to your scenario which appeared to be ripped from the pages of life ("saved up money for years and finally had enough to buy a car, so you went down to the dealership...dealer takes your money, blah blah blah").

Here's my question to you: A person who's trying to get you to drop your items or says his trade window is broken (which if it only applies to him and not the entire server, makes no sense) doesn't seem suspicious to you? I stand with what I said. Common sense + using the trade windows = failsafe. At the very least, someone with common sense would say "Okay, well, PM me back when your trade window is fixed." And side-note, what's an undercover GP trying to do scamming a player? I can see going undercover to bust a scammer, but what's the GP doing playing the scammer?

I've never scammed a player in my life. I think the practice is despicable. However, that being said, when there's systems already set in place that prevent scamming - scamming shouldn't be an effective strategy at all. Yes, there are people that are gullible, too trusting, etc. But once again, if they actually go against all common sense, all good council, and all logic - they've only got themselves to blame.

What's next, staff protection against accidentally destroyed items?

"Hey man, I dropped my Sten on the beach and I started axing it. Well, I only meant to axe it down to .1, but I accidentally hit space bar again and now it's gone to the place where all other dead inanimate object souls go. Spawn another one for me?"

Or maybe accidental deaths?

"I thought I was in a No-PK zone, so I started to idle. I come back, and now I'm dead. Remove that death for me, please?"

Extreme? Maybe. Point is: You're given the tools you need to succeed, if you don't...it's your own fault. Accept personal responsibility for your actions.
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Old 09-04-2009, 03:32 AM
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if the car dealer stole my money I'd knock him out by elbowing him in the face, then kick out all the car windows and finally take my money back and leave. but that's just me. maybe a system should be made on Era where you can challenge the scammer and it brings you both to a boxing ring and you kick the guy's ass for your money/items back. would be legit.
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Old 09-04-2009, 03:52 AM
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if the car dealer stole my money I'd knock him out by elbowing him in the face, then kick out all the car windows and finally take my money back and leave. but that's just me. maybe a system should be made on Era where you can challenge the scammer and it brings you both to a boxing ring and you kick the guy's ass for your money/items back. would be legit.
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Old 09-04-2009, 04:06 AM
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Common sense might not always help you against players abusing glitches, modem-tapping into storages, gang/business scamming, etc

Which is why scamming is illegal.
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Old 09-04-2009, 04:21 AM
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Common sense might not always help you against players abusing glitches, modem-tapping into storages, gang/business scamming, etc

Which is why scamming is illegal.
I wouldn't consider abusing glitches or modem-tapping to be scamming, exactly. But yeah, gang/business scamming has always been the big loophole, and has always thrown people off.

Honestly though, why does it even make a difference to anyone if you can't scam? Not like it's negatively influencing gameplay in any way to have scamming illegal.
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Old 10-04-2009, 05:12 PM
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Honestly though, why does it even make a difference to anyone if you can't scam? Not like it's negatively influencing gameplay in any way to have scamming illegal.
Iono but i always liked it so era worked like this:
1 guy makes money all summer
while i have fun,
when winter comes around i just take the 1 guys money and spend it.
and it repeats once a year.

I always liked it like that, its a shame we cant do that anymore.

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Old 09-04-2009, 06:05 AM
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Common sense might not always help you against players abusing glitches, modem-tapping into storages, gang/business scamming, etc

Which is why scamming is illegal.
Even when scamming was legal, there were still those types of "illegal" scamming.

If they're tampering with gameplay to get ****, yeah. That should be reversed. I'm only talking about the "hey man im on a mac and my mom needs to send an email to my stepdad's brother's sister's kid's girlfriend so just drop ur **** in the library and ill drop mine" kind of scams.
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Old 09-04-2009, 02:27 PM
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Even when scamming was legal, there were still those types of "illegal" scamming.

If they're tampering with gameplay to get ****, yeah. That should be reversed. I'm only talking about the "hey man im on a mac and my mom needs to send an email to my stepdad's brother's sister's kid's girlfriend so just drop ur **** in the library and ill drop mine" kind of scams.
Yeah stuff like that has happened, but I don't think that it's their fault. Most of these scams usually happen with new players where its hard for them to make money, so if they find a deal that's too good to be true, they'll probably take it. Now that doesn't mean that they don't deserve their item back, they didn't know any better. They're new and not really sure how the systems work like most of us. But I really don't think they should just flat out lose their item.
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Old 10-04-2009, 07:47 AM
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Scammings legal as long as a PR doesnt see it.
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Old 10-04-2009, 04:53 PM
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Scammings legal as long as a PR doesnt see it.
No, it is not. Scamming is completely illegal. The only time we cannot reverse it is if we have no way of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that a scam took place. Most of the time when we get scam reports, it's the result of someone USDing or CSTing.
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