This is getting out of hand

[PrinceOfKenshin]

Originally Posted by Banditz

World of Warcraft is nearly Cheaper than Graal. x.x

It cost $77.94 to get 6 months of World Of Warcraft, which is a 3D MMORPG. Okay now i'm gonna pay 75 bucks for a graal server that is 2D and has a chance of getting hacked and losing all your hard work. Not to mention the chance of you actually being able to accomplish anything within 6 months. i love this!

As for you Door bush did put us back into debt after Clinton got as even 0.

[Door]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

We don't control those before us who voted, therefor it is not our fault ...

And, Bush never won the popular vote.

Naturally things change, and Bush and his cabinet had a pretty tough 8 years, but they did make some horrible decisions (i.e. the war in Iraq). I'm not blaming them for all of the destroying of the economy, but if we had people with at least a fifth-grade education, perhaps we'd have done better.


Also, what you people still don't understand, is that, as the consumer, I don't care about the reason for the increase in prices. That's how all consumers are. They just want it lower.

America is the land of equal opportunity. poverty in this country is a social issue, not an economic one and HAS ALWAYS BEEN. When people are poor in the US it's because they refuse to work for $4 an hour in a field when they can't get another job. Then they complain about Mexicans stealing all their work, because the Mexicans will gladly go work in a field for $4 an hour, since they would be working in a field for 10 cents an hour back home.

The same goes for their opinion on the economy. When the economy is failing, it usually barely is at all. We haven't had a real depression since the Great Depression. Recessions here and there, yeah. But we make a big deal about it because we are Americans and we deserve better than to have a dip in the economy. And it's not our fault that it's happening, nor should we do anything about it.

This country is made by the people, for the people. If you want to change it, you CAN, and you SHOULD. It certainly wouldn't be a first. Write your representatives a few letters. I have. Put your money into lobbying organizations that you believe in. I do.

Oh and, on the War in Iraq. First of all, it's not a new war. The Gulf War that the first Bush started did not officially end. A cease fire was declared and there had been conflicts filling up the ENTIRE time period between the beginning of that cease fire until it was ended in 2003 by President Bush.

Secondly, I don't necessarily agree with what went on there either. I kind of wish I knew more about it because, honestly, from what I have been told it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. However, I feel as though it would be a stupid move for any President to be totally up front and honest about his strategies and knowledge about the enemy publicly. I don't LIKE that, but I UNDERSTAND it and I support it if it will protect my skin. For that reason I believe there is much more to the situation in Iraq than we currently know about. But either way, I'm not going to cry over spilled milk. We are at war, and pulling out of Iraq would put approximately 30% of the world's currently tapped oil in GREAT danger. Which in turn puts the ENTIRE WORLD in danger.

So take the troops out? I don't think so. No country who depends on oil would support leaving Iraq a power vacuum like that with so many clawed hands from all directions ready to dig in and take control of whatever they want. And what country doesn't depend on oil these days?

And just to clarify. I don't think that Bush is some kind of amazing angel who did nothing wrong whatsoever. I am just not ignorant enough to blame things on him that CANNOT POSSIBLY be his fault.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by PrinceOfKenshin

It cost $77.94 to get 6 months of World Of Warcraft, which is a 3D MMORPG. Okay now i'm gonna pay 75 bucks for a graal server that is 2D and has a chance of getting hacked and losing all your hard work. Not to mention the chance of you actually being able to accomplish anything within 6 months. i love this!

As for you Door bush did put us back into debt after Clinton got as even 0.

Originally Posted by Door

America is the land of equal opportunity. poverty in this country is a social issue, not an economic one and HAS ALWAYS BEEN. When people are poor in the US it's because they refuse to work for $4 an hour in a field when they can't get another job. Then they complain about Mexicans stealing all their work, because the Mexicans will gladly go work in a field for $4 an hour, since they would be working in a field for 10 cents an hour back home.

The same goes for their opinion on the economy. When the economy is failing, it usually barely is at all. We haven't had a real depression since the Great Depression. Recessions here and there, yeah. But we make a big deal about it because we are Americans and we deserve better than to have a dip in the economy. And it's not our fault that it's happening, nor should we do anything about it.

This country is made by the people, for the people. If you want to change it, you CAN, and you SHOULD. It certainly wouldn't be a first. Write your representatives a few letters. I have. Put your money into lobbying organizations that you believe in. I do.

Oh and, on the War in Iraq. First of all, it's not a new war. The Gulf War that the first Bush started did not officially end. A cease fire was declared and there had been conflicts filling up the ENTIRE time period between the beginning of that cease fire until it was ended in 2003 by President Bush.

Secondly, I don't necessarily agree with what went on there either. I kind of wish I knew more about it because, honestly, from what I have been told it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. However, I feel as though it would be a stupid move for any President to be totally up front and honest about his strategies and knowledge about the enemy publicly. I don't LIKE that, but I UNDERSTAND it and I support it if it will protect my skin. For that reason I believe there is much more to the situation in Iraq than we currently know about. But either way, I'm not going to cry over spilled milk. We are at war, and pulling out of Iraq would put approximately 30yepercent of the world's currently tapped oil in GREAT danger. Which in turn puts the ENTIRE WORLD in danger.

So take the troops out? I don't think so. No country who depends on oil would support leaving Iraq a power vacuum like that with so many clawed hands from all directions ready to dig in and take control of whatever they want. And what country doesn't depend on oil these days?

And just to clarify. I don't think that Bush is some kind of amazing angel who did nothing wrong whatsoever. I am just not ignorant enough to blame things on him that CANNOT POSSIBLY be his fault.

When did we start debating about whose fault it was?

There's no point saying, "it wasn't Bush".

[Door]

trudat pal sorry

[Elizabeth]

mai brain iz 2 smal 4 me 2 reed dat beeg post

[zokemon]

Originally Posted by Door

Man I am really hoping that the level of pure stupidity I've witnessed in this thread from the Americans especially is limited to Graal. But I know it's not.

The economy of a country highly involved in globalization cannot be 'totally destroyed' by one person, and his cabinet, in 8 years. It is literally impossible. The problem with Americans is that the culture here is so quick and high paced that many regard NOW as the only existing factor in anything. Not 10 years ago, or 20 years ago. And the future? Who gives a flying **** about that ol' thing? Not Americans, that's for sure. Strategy means nothing to the public of the US.

The American economy is based on external factors more than internal these days. If you think about it, it makes sense. Half our labor is now overseas. More than half of our products are coming in from overseas. We don't even have tariffs on trade with Canada and Mexico. Our economy is not something that a few people in the US can pick up and toss around at will. It is controlled by TONS of different factors all over the world, and not ones that would sit idly by while some jerk screwed **** up for them. It's much more likely that they would *GASP* take advantage of our economy while it is strong and use it for their gain. Imagine that, other countries doing naughty things. But can you really call it naughty? I think it's pretty low of us to call ourselves the Land of the Free while we dump billions of dollars into China every year--the land of the captive. But still, the point I'm trying to make is that President Bush did not single-handedly sabotage the US economy, and in fact, what is happening to it is more likely being caused by things that happened 15 years ago than things that happened 5 years ago. Such is the way. And the worst part? The majority of people who don't really understand what is going on over here are the Americans themselves. No wonder other countries call us naive and spoiled.

It's embarrassing and I wish that politics just didn't come up on these forums anymore, ever, to save me that terrible shame.

Not all of us American's are ignorant to what you are saying. Personally, I wish California was its own country because it essentially is in the sense of culture, education and general political/global/social views.

Can you believe that some Americans (of course 90% of these guys come from the more middle states, no offense to you guys) actually believe global warming is a myth?

[Door]

Originally Posted by zokemon

Not all of us American's are ignorant to what you are saying. Personally, I wish California was its own country because it essentially is in the sense of culture, education and general political/global/social views.

Can you believe that some Americans (of course 90% of these guys come from the more middle states, no offense to you guys) actually believe global warming is a myth?

The problem with the whole Global warming issue is that it's been blown way out of proportion. There are thousands of scientists worldwide who are backing off the issue because they see that it's not half as 'terrible' as Al Gore and many others are claiming it is. I don't think it's a myth, and I don't think it should be taken lightly, but I'm not stupid or egotistical enough to believe that mankind could alter the climate of an entire planet.

Most people see that and realize that regardless of how true it is, it's been exaggerated to a criminal extent. And when that happens, people are more likely to turn away and refuse to believe it at all, rather than be spoon fed ARMAGEDDON by politicians. The ecosystem would be better off without Al Gore's ridiculous video and without all of this bloody screaming about how SUVs are evil.

[Pimmeh]

Originally Posted by Elizabeth

im not british you american hippie

A. Oop, my bad I thought you were British, dont know why.
B. Im not American? Dutch ftw!

[Crow]

Originally Posted by PrinceOfKenshin

It cost $77.94 to get 6 months of World Of Warcraft, which is a 3D MMORPG. Okay now i'm gonna pay 75 bucks for a graal server that is 2D and has a chance of getting hacked and losing all your hard work. Not to mention the chance of you actually being able to accomplish anything within 6 months. i love this!

You are paying for the use of a server. Good servers cost up to $130 a month (dedicated that is), Graal is just cheap compared to this because there are several playerworlds running on one server.
You are also paying for the use of Stefan's GServer software.

Paying to develop isnt actually the unfair thing about Graal. The unfair stuff is that you dont get any money when being successful.

[Imperialistic]

I totally agree with Crow..

[Rufus]

I don't.

Originally Posted by Crow

Paying to develop isnt actually the unfair thing about Graal.

If Graal was in a better state, with servers that were high in quality, gameplay, users, then I'd agree with you. Paying to build content to save the game however, is unfair and I don't blame people for not trying. Development was always seen as a hobby, a fun thing to do, but going out of your way and PAYING for it is just stupid.

[PrinceOfKenshin]

Originally Posted by Rufus

I don't.



If Graal was in a better state, with servers that were high in quality, gameplay, users, then I'd agree with you. Paying to build content to save the game however, is unfair and I don't blame people for not trying. Development was always seen as a hobby, a fun thing to do, but going out of your way and PAYING for it is just stupid.

agreed

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by zokemon

Not all of us American's are ignorant to what you are saying. Personally, I wish California was its own country because it essentially is in the sense of culture, education and general political/global/social views.

Can you believe that some Americans (of course 90yapercent of these guys come from the more middle states, no offense to you guys) actually believe global warming is a myth?

The problem is they just don't know the facts; and of course, its very hard to get the facts.

I've watched an Inconvenient Truth, and its pretty scary, but I think a lot of that is exaggerated. I doubt anything serious, besides the rise of gas prices and everything else, will happen even during our lifetimes (meaning something that causes a mass catastrophe such as everyone dying).

Originally Posted by Crow

You are paying for the use of a server. Good servers cost up to $130 a month (dedicated that is), Graal is just cheap compared to this because there are several playerworlds running on one server.
You are also paying for the use of Stefan's GServer software.

Paying to develop isnt actually the unfair thing about Graal. The unfair stuff is that you dont get any money when being successful.

I wouldn't like being paid to develop (of course it'd be nice), and I know CJ can't really afford that either.

What I think I like better, and of course is more practical for Cyberjoueres, would be if they rewarded gelats, which could be used for subscriptions.

[Darklux]

Door for democratic nominee... what a speech =O

[Googi]

You guys seem to be conflating a country's overall economic strength with currency value. A country's government (and often even foreign governments) have far more control over the exchange rate of a currency than they do over the overall economy, and can increase the value of a currency by spending foreign currencies to buy their own currency, increasing the interest rate, or even simply printing less money. Generally, it's considered bad economic policy to do so, but blaming the U.S. government for the fall in the value of the dollar is entirely valid, because they could stop it from happening, but have chosen not to (even if this was the right choice economically.) Of course, blame would probably go partly to the executive, partly to congress, partly to the federal reserve, etc.

Originally Posted by Door

approximately 30% of the world's currently tapped oil

This again? Iraq produces less than 7.6% of the world's oil. Iraq has less than 12% of the world's proven reserves. I do not know where you're getting the 30% number from, and this isn't the first time you've used it.