UN Management.

[Chris]

Now continuing from the digression, you can't depend on structure to keep progression going. It simply won't work. The "large problem" is that you're dealing with a player base of young people to hire staff members from. You can't simply throw around trust to everyone. You're a fool if you think that way. Micromanaging the tasks and staff is the only way to handle larger servers if you expect copious amounts quality updates to be completed. Unfortunately this approach results in quickly burning out and losing interest, which I assume is the case with UN.

[Draenin]

Originally Posted by Kirble

I believe it has gone down the drain within just over a year.

A year? Try four or five. (Excepting NJ.)

[Andreww]

Originally Posted by Rufus

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This whole paragraph that Rufus typed up is 100% accurate, there's no real better way to describe how much of a down-fall in UN is.

"UN's staffline up is just a popularity contest"
couldn't have said it better myself.

It's really pathetic to see how horrible the staff line up for UN is since Wikkid quit, a few members of their "uploading team" have told me they just got jobs by simply asking. And one of them who got it through an application openly admit that her friend helped her out with the application, yet the staff didn't do a thing about it.

Want another sad story that went away without anything happening? Elk, the very well known Developer, has had a horrible HORRIBLE reputation for harassing players, in a "sexual" way, im not bashing him, because this is an actual true story. I was just walking around TC, and then I start reading some mass messages of Elk, asking people if they had webcams and MSN. I was confused and asked why, he was then replying with things like "i'll show you everything on my webcam" and "show me your ***** on webcam" he was harassing me, and other players sexually, and I said "wow man, your acting stupid" so he jailed me for 30 minutes, claiming I was 'insulting staff' I messaged Skrobo and Spryte about it, yet they failed to do anything. Staff im friends with on UN have told me stories how he had posted very "disturbing" pictures of himself on RC. Only on Unholy Nation people.

[Devil]

Originally Posted by Draenin

A year? Try four or five. (Excepting NJ.)

The above statement is above and correct, I loved UN when it first came out.. but damn it didn't take long to go down the crapper.

[Inspiration]

I really don't see many problems with UN. There's slight staff corruption, but Delt's corruption is way way worse.

There is a complete overworld, tons of Mini-games, things to do, events, ect.

Lots of NPCs.

There are a lot of servers that need new management and real attention payed to them, but honestly, UN is not one of them right now.

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by Draenin

A year? Try four or five. (Excepting NJ.)

There was only that new OW but i didnt really like it.

I really dont think spryte is such a good manager for UN, plus allowing for tarran and turmantra get redone was terrible. Because the remakes were kind of bad. They have a real good spar system, better than any of the other classic server list spars. Events are fun, though lats aren't good.

But i thought wikkid left because blobz made her all sad with his UN takeover lmao.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Inspiration

I really don't see many problems with UN. There's slight staff corruption, but Delt's corruption is way way worse.

This is a game people play to play, there shouldn't be any corruption, and if there is it should be attempted to remove it rather then ignore it.

Originally Posted by Inspiration

There is a complete overworld, tons of Mini-games, things to do, events, ect.

Lots of NPCs.

Sparring, overused events, an overworld no one ventrues outside of the outside OSL level, and that's about it, great stuff.

Originally Posted by Inspiration

There are a lot of servers that need new management and real attention payed to them, but honestly, UN is not one of them right now.

Just because of the high playercount does not mean it should be overlooked, at all. If there's issues, they need to be solved.

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by Rufus

This is a game people play to play, there shouldn't be any corruption, and if there is it should be attempted to remove it rather then ignore it.

None that i seen.

Sparring, overused events, an overworld no one ventrues outside of the outside OSL level, and that's about it, great stuff.

Uh dont forget the card game, the rpg, r2r. People don't venture outside TC because most of it is pk. Yeah not much at all. Comparing it to others...

Just because of the high playercount does not mean it should be overlooked, at all. If there's issues, they need to be solved.

The fact is, there aren't any. Just some, but usually the management should do it.

[Inspiration]

Originally Posted by Rufus

This is a game people play to play, there shouldn't be any corruption, and if there is it should be attempted to remove it rather then ignore it.

It's impossible to remove it. You're working with teenagers who are being paid nothing for their time. They have little to lose in the end if they're fired, and it's normally their first time with any real power over people.

Even adults who are used to power can become corrupt in positions of authority.

Originally Posted by Rufus

Sparring, overused events, an overworld no one ventrues outside of the outside OSL level, and that's about it, great stuff.

Actually, I'd say UN has a lot of people who venture around. Many of the popular areas are quite far from OSL.

Originally Posted by Rufus

Just because of the high playercount does not mean it should be overlooked, at all. If there's issues, they need to be solved.

It shouldnt be overlooked, but it should be taken into consideration that the server is offering enough to keep people logging onto it.

Also, solving issues is a pretty easy thing to say until you're the person who has to find and effectivly solve them. It then becomes a different story.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Inspiration

Delt's corruption is way way worse

thats partly because theyve had pretty much the same high staff the whole time. theyre getting better atleast

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by zokemon

Typical Graalian fallacy.
A developer is simply someone (at least on Graal) who leads his/her own projects and have a larger range of rights and staff to use to their avail.

How is what you said any different from what I said with the exception of you trying to jump all over my **** and look hot on a public forum?

A Graalian Developer can lead their own projects just like a NAT or LAT or GFX can, Developers are Multitalented individuals with more then one specality and rights to compensate for that, who still answer to the same people NAT LAT and GFX do, including a chosen "Developer Admin".

[Inspiration]

Being able to lead your own projects doesnt make you a developer at all.

I've seen developers who can't organize a project to save their lives, but they're pretty capable in all fields of development.

Developer, in my terms, is just someone who is capable in a way that I, if I was in the position of a Manager or General Admin, would want directly under my supervision and not under an LAT, GFX, or NAT admin.

[NeoJenova]

In my opinion, UN isnt a hard server to run when you have the time to give it the proper attention.

There is no possible way to make everyone happy on a server with a population like UN. So there will ALWAYS be complaints.

As far as staff, I always prefered to hire people that actually played UN for what it was instead of hiring those who were more skilled from other servers, because those people that play UN would have more incentive to make there home server better rather than just seeing it as a job on a large server.

The problem with that is you tend to run into the age range of 11-17 on UN where maturity isn't neccesarily at its peak. So the work ethic of these young, unpaid, volunteering children aren't exactly something you can control.

I guess what I am trying to get at is, running a server such as UN is very hard unless you can do everything yourself without NEEDING staff to complete or finish projects. Staff should be seen as helping your already smooth running server, adding input, and creativity into what you have created. I found out that giving staff an assignment that you can not do isn't something you can get away with on UN, because more times than not it will not be completed on time... or at all.

What UN needs is a manager that can develop in all positions and has the work ethic to create what he/she invisions. I.E. Liquidice

Atleast that was the problem I continued to run into.

I miss the dream team though... Me, Xec, Manta, Paradox, Pixie, BlooKat, and Samara.... bad ass combination.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by NeoJenova

I miss the dream team though... Me, Xec, Manta, Paradox, Pixie, BlooKat, and Samara.... bad ass combination.

if bloo kat worked there shouldn't we be seeing good graphics?

[NeoJenova]

Originally Posted by Gerami

if bloo kat worked there shouldn't we be seeing good graphics?

his graphics were removed looooong ago man im talkin almost 4-5 years ago b4 his archaic days... he had well over 300 heads and shields on UN all started with blookat-* we ended up having to remove most of them removing some of his NPC and level graphics with them.


UN was blookats first server...


o ya i forgot about UnholySinner aka S][N aka unknown (Unholy)