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[syltburk]

i compared bon jovi to britney spears yesterday

[Shaun]

I think a big part of it is that people who used to develop for Graal previously did so because it was a community effort. Now Graal charges people to develop and to play, and those people who previously developed have mostly found better things to do (things they don't only have to pay to do, but get paid TO do) with their time, efforts, and talents.

[Admins]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I think a big part of it is that people who used to develop for Graal previously did so because it was a community effort. Now Graal charges people to develop and to play, and those people who previously developed have mostly found better things to do (things they don't only have to pay to do, but get paid TO do) with their time, efforts, and talents.

It went p2p more than 5 years ago. I know from the 'old developers' that they understand that we must make money in some ways. There are sometimes discussions about how the trial mode should work, but we also plan to change things for that.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Stefan

It went p2p more than 5 years ago. I know from the 'old developers' that they understand that we must make money in some ways. There are sometimes discussions about how the trial mode should work, but we also plan to change things for that.

Yeah, the 'old developers' understand, but that doesn't mean that they're still willing to volunteer their time, ability, and funding to this business. The current lack of developers proves this.

[GryffonDurime]

Wait...it's the PLAYERS fault that 2k2 is never updates?

Could you clear up the logic on that for me? Why is it the players fault that they're not making content for the server that the game actually uses for revenue...isn't that why we're paying them to play it?

Someone certainly seems to be confusing a run-for-profit business with some kind of collaborative community volunteerism. While Graal has a few aspects of the latter, it is still most asuredly the former.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by GryffonDurime

Wait...it's the PLAYERS fault that 2k2 is never updates?

Could you clear up the logic on that for me? Why is it the players fault that they're not making content for the server that the game actually uses for revenue...isn't that why we're paying them to play it?

Someone certainly seems to be confusing a run-for-profit business with some kind of collaborative community volunteerism. While Graal has a few aspects of the latter, it is still most asuredly the former.

Well, you can contribute to any server, and have an active part in it. You seem to think Graal isn't making a profit allowing players to have control over their game
But yeah, developement isn't for everyone, I see what you're saying there. But you still can make suggestions. If they don't use your ideas, then they may not be popular enough, or they may be hard to implement.

[brock128]

Originally Posted by GryffonDurime

Wait...it's the PLAYERS fault that 2k2 is never updates?

Could you clear up the logic on that for me? Why is it the players fault that they're not making content for the server that the game actually uses for revenue...isn't that why we're paying them to play it?

Someone certainly seems to be confusing a run-for-profit business with some kind of collaborative community volunteerism. While Graal has a few aspects of the latter, it is still most asuredly the former.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you... THE REASON GRAAL IS FAILING! (insert cheering here)

The problem is that Cyberjourers has their cake (p2p) and wants to eat it too (not work on graal, freeloading on other people's content.)

Can't have it both ways.

[TedHead2k]

excalibur, all the benefits of being able to develop stuff on Graal are true and I once agreed with you, but then I decided that making a big, decent game would be impossible by myself or would take a really long time.

Now I, and many others, are looking at this in a player's position. I'm P2P, paying to play. And the problem is, there is too much develop and not enough play.

The ideal situation would be to have all the playerworlds as they are now, but have at LEAST one good playerworld with quests and actual game elements. And it was like that once. Graal The Adventure had so much time and effort put into it over the years, that I could spend several hours going through the quests, world, and actual gaming elements, while still going to other worlds to check out what was new in development.

But now classic is dead and the server browser is a barren wasteland of projects in development that will most likely never reach completion.

[ApothiX]

Originally Posted by Tails_night

Clint eastwood didn't become a sharp shooter complaining that the guns he had wern't what he wanted, so make these changes you want to happen happen.

Clint Eastwood didn't make his own guns, did he? O_o

Originally Posted by Tails_night

and our computer was like a 94,

I lol'd.

[Tails_night]

Yes like ted said, most projects look like they'd never be completed, and honestly thats true, which is why I think many people should at least put some effort into helping tie these loose ends, take on GK for instance, everyones confused and stuff on what fairies, angels, goblins etc. types were, well they WERE supposed to be sumthing, but, as Shaun said either the developers don't have time to complete these, lost interest, or basically they just stopped.

Then like what some people have said or sort of implied, one man can't really do everything. So, I'm just hoping that instead of some people sitting around waiting for something or complaining that it hasn't happen, some of these or other people will all strive together to help make them happen, thats really all I'm trying to say here.

P.S. ApothiX, Eastwood didn't make his own guns, he made sure they had the right gun.

[excaliber7388]

Yes, Cyberjouers should probably hire more programmers, and maybe someone with a business degree. (Come to me in 4 years, I should meet both of these ) We need some more people to help Graal grow faster, Stefan can't do everything in an instant. And Graal is definatly better off with p2p

[TedHead2k]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

Yes, Cyberjouers should probably hire more programmers, and maybe someone with a business degree. (Come to me in 4 years, I should meet both of these ) We need some more people to help Graal grow faster, Stefan can't do everything in an instant. And Graal is definatly better off with p2p

But to get more people, they need more money, which would require Graal to be fun. It's an endless loop.